What are the fundamental differences between a guy with natural game, a PUA and a guy with no natural game

frogma · 2011-08-09T20:12:46+00:00

Most naturals had a lot of success early on in life. They either had a large social group (like a big family, or lots of friends in the neighborhood), or a unique social group (female-dominated, with lots of sisters/aunts- or male-dominated, with a number of "alpha males" or just a great dad). That's just what I've seen.

So naturals pick up on social cues fairly easily. They can't explain how they do what they do, because they do it "naturally." If you ask a natural "How did you get that girl?" he'll say something like "Uh... I just talked to her and took her home." So then you ask "Yeah but what did you say, what did you do with her?" and he'll say "Uh... I dunno, we just talked about stuff and I brought her home."

The difference between a natural and a legit PUA (who wasn't already a natural) is that the PUA can fill in all those blanks for you. The PUA was once a chump himself, so he understands the thought-processes and he's learned all the little nuances of an interaction.

On the outside, ideally you won't see any difference between the natural and the PUA. They're both confident and good at socializing, and both are good with girls. The main thing you might notice is that the natural will deviate from a lot of the seduction concepts because he never made it a point to keep em in mind. Just from my own experience, I was already a bit of a "natural" before I knew anything about the seduction community. I basically forced myself to become more extroverted and make moves (and sometimes that's literally all you need). Since discovering the community I've improved my interactions with everyone. I don't have to go to a bar to get laid (though I still do all the time).

On average I think you'd see that most naturals don't really think about closing unless they're in a "good" situation for it- whereas a legit PUA will always be looking for opportunities to close. I'd bet the average (legit) PUA gets laid more often than the "average" natural. I'd also bet his relationships won't generally be as "rocky" or short-lived (unless he wants it that way). Simply put, a PUA's gonna be more conscious of his actions and the social dynamics. A natural can still follow the social dynamics, but he won't be putting much conscious thought into it.

A guy with no game is basically a chump. If he gets laid it's because he got "lucky." By definition, he doesn't know how to escalate, he doesn't know how to close, and he's not very good with interaction in general. He can still get lucky when he's in the right situation, but he can't manufacture his own luck- if that makes sense.

ThrowawayPUA · 2011-08-09T14:24:38+00:00

A natural is innately adept at reading the social cues that women give, and can respond to them effectively, leading her through a seduction. A PUA has learned through theory and practice to see and do what the natural does. A chump is totally oblivious to the signals women give off, a woman could be interested in him and he wouldn't even know it.

thatboyaintright · 2011-08-09T13:58:14+00:00

Guy with natural game = naturally confident

PUA = guy who has taught himself to be confident

A guy with no game = no confidence

yokhai · 2011-08-09T14:41:02+00:00

Externally, nothing, well maybe a fuzzy hat.

internally, its about how you feel about your place in any social dynamic. Guys with natural game don't think about this aspect, and by not giving it credence, the defacto state is at the top of the encounter.

Guys who learn game like a PUA are conscious about this interaction and make the mental check to remain on top of their social P's&Q's, exuding a confident fun vibe when they may not be actually feeling it. Idealy it looks the same on the outside.

Guys with no game, it depends. They can still be confidant and outgoing, but they have a disconnect when it comes with dealing with women. They stutter, they are overtly nice or super shy, they are awkward and don't look comfortable.

puaCurveBall · 2011-08-09T16:24:30+00:00

A PUA can have plenty of natural game, the difference is he understand why it works and how to make it more effective.

Natural game guys don't understand why their actions work, they just have figured out through process of elimination how to have success. I know one natural game guy that can barely fclose at all, he is great in the club but 1on1 he has difficulties, but that doesn't diminish his natural game out at clubs or during day at all.

TheLoveTin · 2011-08-09T14:12:11+00:00

Confidence. Not worried about the threat of rejection. Able to think quickly and use any given situation or environment to his benefit.

2011-08-09T23:50:00+00:00

Experience.

A guy with no Game is simply a guy with very limited and poor experiences dealing with women. To him, dealing with women is confusing and frustrating, and we call him an 'AFC' for Average Frustrated Chump. Most of us on r/seddit started here, obviously.

The "natural" guy only seems that way. In truth, there is no such thing as a "natural" because Pick-up is a social skill and all skills must be learned, however so-called naturals started learning about girls and dating very young, in their childhood and early teens, he probably had his first 'girlfriend' before he was even 10 and has a steady stream since, and so now that he appears to be natural. To not worship the natural. The natural has probably never formally studied how to meet women, but through many interactions with girls and women has become good with them. All the skills have been internalized. Usually, naturals cannot teach their skills to others because they are unconscious. Naturals also make many avoidable mistakes, like getting too drunk, marrying poorly or young. They tend to exit the game before ever achieving their true potential.

The PUA is simply a guy who started as an AFC and is playing catch-up by learning the social skills of dealing with women. He studies and practices, and eventually will learn the needed skills, and then when he has mastered them internalizes them, until they appear natural. (Beware the PUA who teaches 'natural' game- it's a self-deception.)

However, a PUA can actually become better than any natural because he knows why he's doing what he's doing, can teach it, and avoids many of the naturals mistakes. The PUA can sleep with many more women than the natural, and hotter ones, because he knows how to avoid the traps of commitment, or marriage to the wrong woman.

boyfrienddestroyers · 2011-08-09T15:44:23+00:00

Speed with which one recognizes and acts upon social cues.

karmaval · 2011-08-09T15:52:12+00:00

Two get lucky, while the third goes home fapping.

ehbeeseedee · 2011-08-09T23:53:02+00:00

Habits are the fundamental difference.

AFCAFC · 2011-08-09T16:12:54+00:00

Natural game - Approaches girls and "wings" it, using his own lines/techniques.

PUA - Approaches girls using other peoples lines or strategies.

No game - Doesn't approach girls.

Basically, just get approaching girls and find what works for YOU.

Title	What are the fundamental differences between a guy with natural game, a PUA and a guy with no natural game
Author	ceilingdweller
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Date	August 9, 2011 1:41 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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