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Women care about looks more than men

SmoothForest

September 3, 2023
96 upvotes
/r/AllPillDebate

"Why don't you just listen to what women say!?"

Women are more dishonest than men about how they go about selecting partners

"Ok, ok, women care about looks, but they care about it less than men do! Men have such unfair and unrealistic beauty standards!"

70% of women would avoid someone solely based on their looks, compared to 31% of men

Being unnattractive lowers men's chances of finding partners, but not women's

Women want taller men more than men want shorter women

Women preferred large jaws in men

Women rate muscular men as sexier

"But ugly men can compensate by being a good person!"

A man's personality only matters to a woman if he meets her basic looks cutoff first

Psychopathic men are more attractive to women

Misogynistic men have more sexual experience

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Title Women care about looks more than men
Author

SmoothForest

Upvotes 96
Comments 90
Date September 3, 2023 12:40 PM UTC
(2 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/AllPillDebate
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/AllPillDebate/comments/168vze3/women_care_about_looks_more_than_men/
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Comments

[–]NotARussianBot1984 54 points55 points56 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Anyone remember society telling them women are less shallow cuz men want big boobs and women want men who are funny?

Cuz I do

[–]TheSongsInYourHead 17 points18 points19 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

People used to say this all the time. I don't really hear people say it anymore though.

[–]NotARussianBot1984 23 points24 points25 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya, social media came up and women started telling on themselves.

Thank God for TikTok, otherwise these hoes would still be lying to us.

[–]ItoshiSae10 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I still hear it but less

[–]NefariousNazVerified Career-Personality-Geo Maxxed 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes I used to hear this like I'm 90s and 2000s

[–]YearnsToDestroySun 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

oh God yes me too. really fucked me up believing that shit too for awhile

[–]JakeArcher39 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men want big boobs, just like women want men who are funny, but neither of those things are a deal-breaker for the vast majority of people.

However, women do have very strict deal breakers, for things like height, which I can't think of anything that men have which is comparable and applies across the board for like 99.9% of men. Maybe it's super high bodycount in women? But even then, whilst most men wouldn't want to marry a woman who has slept with like 100+ dudes, many would still be willing to casually date her etc.

[–]BlackpillEnjoyer 42 points43 points44 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Empathetic gender btw.

[–]Quirky-Arugula-4660 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Females are the sexually selective sex in the majority of species. It has nothing to do with empathy.

[+]operation-spot -12 points-11 points-10 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Empathy and sympathy have nothing to do with dating someone or being attracted to them.

[–]Morgothe 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ofc you only want the best of the best it’s 100% understandable.

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which

[–]Xbox-Loud-Cloud-216 28 points29 points30 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

To trigger casual sex vibes in women u gotta be top 5-10 % of looks

To trigger casual sex vibes in men u gotta be a woman

[–]Hubris1998She will say no. Because of the implication. -3 points-2 points-1 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

BS. Are you attracted to Gorlock the Destroyer?

[–]Xbox-Loud-Cloud-216 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not but all I’m saying is men will fuck well below their looks match casually , while the opposite is not the same .

Lot of in shape guys fuck fatties but fat girls barely fuck fat guys

[–]Hubris1998She will say no. Because of the implication. 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't know how they do it. I genuinely wouldn't be able to get it hard for a fat chick, let alone keep it that way...

[–]Xbox-Loud-Cloud-216 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fat girls can turn me on just have to have that woman shape . Wouldn’t marry or date one seriously though

[–]Unconditional_Love- 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She’s (he’s) literally a 0 out of 10. any woman that’s not in the bottom 2-3%

[–]Suspicious_Stone 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Gorlock is trans

[–]Hubris1998She will say no. Because of the implication. 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Transspecies?

[–]tayrod_432 18 points19 points20 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

High IQ post

[–]Gold-Cat382 20 points21 points22 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

brutal

[–]NefariousNazVerified Career-Personality-Geo Maxxed 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes absolutely.

Honestly the gaslighting about this is the only issue I have.

If it wasn't for the gaslighting about this other follow up issues wouldn't be an issue like pretending that it is due to personal failures.

I earn 6 figures, was a millionaire at market high, used to spend free time volunteering helping sick children and their families, and more. The cognitively dissonance of my background and their personal beliefs just causes redditors to just call me a liar rather than consider it in their world views.

[–]Underpressure1311 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude if you earn 6 figures and you were a millionaire ONLY at market highs you probably need to re-evaluate your investment strategies or get your spending under control.

[–]TemporaryBoat2 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Warren Buffett net worth can fluctuate by billions in either direction. Are you going to tell him to check his investments or get his spending under control?

[–]StayEmbarrassed1747 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely 100 % Women are significantly shallower than men in every aspect. Physically, emotionally, and intellectually. On average.

[–]SedTheeMightyWhitePill 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the reason this is true is due to the options the average woman has compared to the average man. It only makes sense that they would pick the EXACT guy they wanted (due to so many options). It’s laughable that guys don’t seem to grasp this concept. While most guys have to take what they can get (since women aren’t approaching most guys), women get what they want (since guys approach women at a higher rate than vice versa).

[–]melovesoap 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

true, that makes sense.

[–]Hubris1998She will say no. Because of the implication. 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"A man's personality only matters to a woman if he meets her basic looks cutoff first" To be fair, we do this too.

The other studies are brutal though. Ironically, women will complain about us being sexists when in reality, the men they choose to sleep with are secretly 10x more misogynistic than we are

[–]sweetbrown89PurplePill -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m not really sure what the point of this post is

Guys get really mad when I’m honest and say that 99% of men are invisible to me

Even playing Devil’s Advocate, “yeah, so? People are dishonest to feel better about themselves…what difference does that make?”

Let’s say every woman admits that she cares about looks AND throw in the bonus of women magically don’t think like we’re all attractive

What would that change for you? Because most women would probably just think “I’m not attractive enough to get the guy I dream of, so I’ll just be alone”

We’re not going to lower our standards…which seems to the be goal for men…seems like the whole point is to pressure women into settling for men we don’t want

Reading the comments…it’s weird that men believe they deserve a chance…no one deserves a chance with anyone

[–]kukkle1111 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

seems like the whole point is to pressure women into settling for men we don’t want

Then you’ve missed the point entirely.

[–]SmoothForest[S] 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The point of the post is to counter bluepill gaslighting. No, I'm not lonely because I'm a shitty person, it's because I was born ugly. No, my loneliness isn't a choice, it was forced onto me at birth. No, I shouldn't hate myself for being lonely, It's not my fault.

I never said I wanted women to settle for men they don't want, don't waste mental effort imagining me saying things I never said.

[–]Digipixel_ix -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I understand that what is trying to be investigated here and definitely haven’t written these possibilities off…but respectful…these are shit for fuck sources in support of any of the given arguments or assertions.

Not a single meta analysis and even slipped in a causal survey from a blog?

[–]AnyIntroduction3288 -3 points-2 points-1 points 2 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

https://youtu.be/b7OZDNyVVaQ?si=QvQG07FZOJu_xWf5

All you have to do to be proven wrong is see how men treat women who look like this and the way they talk about tortas.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 17 points18 points19 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yet women like her easily find partners regardless.

[–]Quirky-Arugula-4660 -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men having no standards isn't women's fault.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men having standards is the solution, but that would mean lower reproduction rates than South Korea for ten or so generations.

Which might be good for the environment.

[–]SmoothForest[S] 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oops, sorry about that, I didn't know a 10k views music video made by an obscure rapper is a stronger source of knowledge than several scientific studies.

[–]AnyIntroduction3288 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He’s not hating on the women. The women there are an example of women men hate

[–]Wide-Illustrator2906 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

😅This is literally a song praising chubby women. A song like this would never be made about chubby men.

[–]AnyIntroduction3288 -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://youtu.be/B9Z5YtWOJBM?si=2Yym6wbrlbKjdIZy

10 million views

Viral on tiktok

Bunches of women praising their chubby boyfriends and husbands

BS that women don’t do this.

[–]Wrang1er 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're all tall

[–]No_Ask_2241 -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Many men find that body type attractive lmao. I do agree ugly women get treated worse, but very few women are that ugly

[+]operation-spot -10 points-9 points-8 points 2 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

-women care about looks more than men may initially believe but it’s only one (important) aspect of a man’s overall attractiveness

-most women are considered attractive to most men

-most men are taller than most women

-large jaws are considerably masculine and masculinity is known as the opposite of femininity and opposites attract

-men are able to gain muscle faster due to higher testosterone so it’s not an insane preference or expectation

-men also have a looks cutoff but it’s a lot lower because they find most women attractive

-psychopathic and misogynistic men are more likely to have the self esteem to approach women in the first place so it would make sense that they are also more likely to have sex which requires men to approach women

It seems like you want to make women out to be terrible people but no one has ever said that looks don’t matter and if they did, it was an incomplete statement.

[–]SmoothForest[S] 16 points17 points18 points 2 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

-women care about looks more than men may initially believe but it’s only one (important) aspect of a man’s overall attractiveness

We don't disagree.

-most women are considered attractive to most men

But even then, being an unattractive woman doesn't effect your chances that much.

-large jaws are considerably masculine and masculinity is known as the opposite of femininity and opposites attract

Well yeah, i agree, I'm not sure what you're point is with this.

-men are able to gain muscle faster due to higher testosterone so it’s not an insane preference or expectation

Again, we agree, I'm confused of what point you're trying to make with this.

-psychopathic and misogynistic men are more likely to have the self esteem to approach women in the first place so it would make sense that they are also more likely to have sex which requires men to approach women

It's actually to do with the fact that psychopathic men are more socially intelligent than non-psychopathic men. The study I referenced measured social intelligence aswell which correlated with psychopathy. My main point by bringing up those studies was to show that a "good" personality from a kindness and morality perspective is irrelavant. But yeah, confidence and social intelligence are definetly important once you've meet the look's threshold.

It seems like you want to make women out to be terrible people

I never said women are terrible people. Why is it that when anyone points out something that doesn't paint women in a positive light people think I hate all women? Should I also assume that women hate all men when they talk about patriarchy and point out that 80% of all the world's crime is caused by men, and that 1/3 of female murder victims were murdered by a boyfriend or ex-boyfriend? I don't assume that because I don't have a black and white view of the world.

no one has ever said that looks don’t matter and if they did, it was an incomplete statement.

Are you sure?

Women and Bluepillers love to pretend that they never say that when I bring up the studies, but they always try to weasal in the looks don't matter argument by saying stuff like "women care about looks but they're less visual than men", "women care about looks, but he has to be nice aswell", "I only care about a man's looks once I've got to know him!" But it's all false. Women care about looks much more than men. If women get to complain about unrealistic beauty standards just because they rejected by the top 20% of men for being overweight, then men get to complain about female beauty standards for being below average height - and men should be able to complain about that without being accused of hating all women.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If women get to complain about unrealistic beauty standards just because they rejected by the top 20% of men for being overweight, then men get to complain about female beauty standards for being below average height - and men should be able to complain about that without being accused of hating all women.

Except things are different for men vs women. Men are evil and they're not people. /sarcasm

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

-most women are considered attractive to most men

Yes, we're more lenient than women in just about any way imaginable. That is a... terrible difference.

[+]operation-spot -9 points-8 points-7 points 2 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I think men would be just as picky if they had the same amount of leverage as women. Right now, men get what they can which is why they’re lenient, not because they don’t recognize beauty or have preferences. Why is this difference terrible in your opinion?

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

If they had the same leverage, who knows. What is relevant and what is reality is in just about ALL animal species, males compete for females, not the other way around. Nature has selected women to have all the advantages in courtship.

This is why I support transhumanism.

[–]operation-spot -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

How do you think technologies like artificial wombs would help men if raising a child alone is not something most men would choose to do? No amount of innovation is going to give men leverage over women if women aren’t that interested in men or what they do in the first place.

If you acknowledge that in nature women are the selectors and you believe in evolutionary psychology, why are you frustrated with how things are going? This seems like nature doing it’s thing which is good right?

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Mate competition is one of many reasons why I despise nature and would pave it over if I had the chance. I'd change all these rules... drastically in fact. Down to reducing men's interest in women down to equilibrium and going to cloning to close the gap. I'd make leverage irrelevant.

[–]operation-spot 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Do you not like competition because you aren’t winning? Competition is good because it causes us to improve ourselves which is important for the species as a whole so taking that away would be removing a key aspect of what it means to be human.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Competition is pointless idiocy, and I say that as a married man who dated quite a bit. We have technology now, we can use that to improve.

[–]operation-spot 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m saying reproductive technology won’t somehow give men the upper hand because having children is not the goal for a lot of men. What needs improvement in your opinion?

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Artificial intelligence and reproductive technology. Lots of men want kids, don't listen to the stupid media stereotypes. Far more than enough men want kids to keep the species going, that's for sure.

[–]H3l3l6758 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only ones that love competition are those that seek to prove their better then others and those that always win.

[–]allnamesweretaken5 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A final generation that stagnates but are all equally content with themselves and their lives vs generation after generation of miserable confused angry hungry horny bastards fighting tooth and nail for something they're forced by instincts to crave.... Let the human race die. I'm tired of this. If there was a drug that could kill your desire for intimacy I'd take it in a heartbeat

[–]NefariousNazVerified Career-Personality-Geo Maxxed 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. If situation was reversed men would be the picky ones.

[–]Quirky-Arugula-4660 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In most species males aren't the sexually selective sex, females are. It has nothing to do with leniency.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh yes it does. Literally you said it yourself. If men were more selective we would chase fewer women, which would lower the demand. No demand from men means women have nobody to manipulate or even judge.

Which of course means the solution is to pave over nature... transhumanism, through drugs or other technology. There are quite a few drugs out there that can bring down the male sex drive, even to the point of chemical castration. Stick that in the water supply and BAM! female selection gets regulatd by lack of demand for women.

[–]No_Ask_2241 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

About the taller point. Women want above average height men, 8 inches taller than them. Which is higher than the average hieght difference of 5 inches. Most women are 5'3 to 5'4 so they want 5'11 - 6'0 tall men

[–]operation-spot 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

My point is that women often want someone taller than them. 6ft is a somewhat arbitrary number especially because when meeting someone in person it’s difficult to tell their exact height but it’s easy to figure out if they’re taller than you. Dating apps attempt to quantify people so when quantifying 6ft is the number used but in practice, height is relative. A 5” 5’man is tall to a 5” tall woman even it that doesn’t fit into the 8 inch rule you brought up.

[–]No_Ask_2241 15 points16 points17 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No the study linked shows that most women want an 8 inch height difference. It's not just taller than them.

[–]operation-spot 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m pointing out that a possible flaw with that study was quantifying height rather than making relative comparisons.

[–]tayrod_432 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So if anything your summary gives more justification to the incel position. You acknowledge that it is much easier to be unattractive as a man than as a woman and also acknowledge that psychopathic and misogynistic men have romantic success so thus, every continued minute you spend here trying to convince that there is hope if we are unattractive is either you lying or being purposefully misguiding correct?

[–]Gold-Cat382 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This woman isn’t the goddess of love and attraction I’d take everything she says with a grain of salt

[–]ItoshiSae10 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

psychopathic and misogynistic men are more likely to have the self esteem to approach women in the first place so it would make sense that they are also more likely to have sex which requires men to approach women

They are the ones with low self esteem 99% of the time

[+]Lord_TachankaCro -9 points-8 points-7 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Everybody cares about looks. We can be extremely mentally compatible, but if I don't find you attractive, we're never gonna be more than friends. Whoever tells you otherwise is bullshiting you. But that doesn't mean you are expected to look like young Schwartzeneger

[–]ItoshiSae10 13 points14 points15 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah they are bullshitting. Thats the point

[+]Lord_TachankaCro -8 points-7 points-6 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But the stats that I see claiming that it's only top 10 percent men or stuff like that is utter bullshit. And most of people who are bitching are not in fact too ugly, they are simply going out of their league or have no game. The way that women re written about here makes you think we believe that we re different species. As long as you look at genders as two waring tribes you'll get nowhere in life. People are just people, some good, some shitty, all complex individuals.

[–]ItoshiSae10 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cool. I never dissagreed. I just have beef with people who claim looks are completely subjective or that they dont matter

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, just Jason Momoa.

[+]hugegayballs -6 points-5 points-4 points 2 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Honestly the ugliest guy I know slays pussy because he's outgoing, chill and funny. You'll get laid no matter what you look like if you have good hygiene and aren't obese as fuck. (And even those guys still find success.)

I've seen a really common misconception on this subreddit that women reject men or find them creepy because they were unattractive. That's not true at all. You're likely just extremely socially awkward and it makes people uncomfortable. They can probably also tell that you're only talking to them because you're trying to get laid. There's value in talking to women you don't plan on fucking. (Like improving your social skills for your future girlfriend) If you don't do that ever, you'll never have sex with a woman. -A woman.

Ps: literally every guy I've ever rejected has been because I just didn't click with them, they weren't funny or just made really off putting comments all the time and has had absolutely nothing to do with their looks. There is no "Chad."

[–]SmoothForest[S] 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for commenting this. I get way too many comments from people saying that "no one says looks don't matter!" which makes me feel like I'm going insane because I see comments like your's all the time, I just always forget to save them. But now you've put this here I can use this as a good reference to counter the gaslighting.

[–]kukkle1111 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Personality, bro.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/rt6u2d/chadfish_experiments_for_all_you_idiot_bloops/

[–]SmoothForest[S] 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Man, I've never messaged women that have put that much effort into their messages than the women in those. And to think they're putting that much effort into messaging literal trash.... chadfish experiments are unbeaten in their blackpilling effect.

[–]hugegayballs -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not sure if I'm misreading your comment or you're misreading mine. My main point was essentially that looks don't really matter all that much in the grand scheme of things. Women would fuck a cucumber if it knew how to start a conversation.

[–]SmoothForest[S] 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I understand that. You're saying looks don't matter. I disagree with you, but Im saying that I'm glad your making the argument looks don't matter because most bluepillers run away from admitting that they think that when I usually pull up the studies. So I'm glad that you're actually sticking to your unscientific guns so I don't look like I'm arguing against a straw man.

[–]princedune 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Women dont give guys a chance to show their personality unless they are attractive. Personality doesn't even come into play.

[–]hugegayballs -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

That's absolutely not true at all. You ever been to a party or any social setting in ur life lol??

[–]kukkle1111 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yep.

The ugly guys get iced out of every social interaction.

[–]hugegayballs -3 points-2 points-1 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The creepy losers do, not the ugly guys. The ugly guys have been some of the funniest coolest most popular people I know.

[–]kukkle1111 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I already knew that, you didn’t need to explain. Every woman on Reddit lives on Opposite World where down is up and up is down.

[–]princedune 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Of course I have. Women arent willing to get to know me or sny other ugly guys I know, they only talk to guys who are conventionally attractive.

[–]hugegayballs -3 points-2 points-1 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because you're a loser. Not because you're ugly. You need to work on your social skills. I honestly bet yoy and all the other weirdos on this subreddit are at least average looking if not attractive, it's just the way you guys carry yourself that's unattractive about you. Nobody wants to talk to a creep.

[–]princedune 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How could social skills possibly be the problem when I have never had the opportunity to show them to women?

[–]Fourthgood_Martial 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't see the issue. A lot of us men say we're visual partners all the time. It's just that now women are, too.

[–]SmoothForest[S] 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The issue is with the people denying it

[–]Quirky-Arugula-4660 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ofc because females are the sexually selective gender in most species.

[–]Wooden_Concert3127 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait, don't the last two studies prove that personality DOES matter? Like, if you are misogynistic, you will get laid more.

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