LWMA Lounge November 2021

GorchestopherH · 2021-11-29T22:19:23+00:00

Very confused by this sub, help me to understand.

Doesn't the "left" just hate men? You know, to undo years of oppression, yadda yadda.
The "If men end up in jail over false rape, that's a fair price to pay to ensure women are taken seriously" nonsense.

All the "any violence against the enemy is rightly done, etc."

Hasn't the left long departed from actual egalitarianism to pursue, ...whatever makes for the most sensational news?

Is this something like "classic liberal" vs "liberal"?
As in, using the word "left" the same way a republican might say they are a "classic liberal"?

Skeleton_Warrior · 2021-11-28T01:04:05+00:00

Earlier I was grocery shopping and one shopper wore a shirt that had the slogan "Girls run the world." I've ranted about this before, but I hate slogans like this. Between this and "the future is female," which absolutely convey a supremacist message and is not about equality at all. Men and women deserve equal rights and opportunities, but using supremacist rhetoric like this doesn't promote that at all.

Skeleton_Warrior · 2021-11-25T03:06:23+00:00

At my bookstore earlier I came upon a book and accompanying calendar called "Men To Avoid In Life And In Art" (or it might be the other way around). How is this NOT blatant sexism and gender discrimination? If the title said women there'd be a massive uproar over it and don't pretend there wouldn't be. On the back describing it brought up how women have been patronized by men for centuries (way to generalize all men as being anti-women) and of course had to bring up the feminists' favorite anti-male term, patriarchy. Ugh. It really feels like genuine gender equality for men and women alike doesn't truly exist.

comfy_cure · 2021-11-25T02:55:46+00:00

Hey is anyone good at editing? I wrote a letter to my local legislators about economic abuse but I'm not a very good writer.

Edit: It's here: https://www.reddit.com/user/comfy\_cure/comments/r1m7e8/draft\_letter\_on\_economic\_abuse/

StrawberryNo7834 · 2021-11-24T07:37:47+00:00

Wanted to share something that has been on my mind since a few days- I had once been lurking on a feminist subreddit* and saw a post by someone saying that they had “fucked up” and their partner had not been talking to them. The top reply had said that not talking to your partner could be emotional abuse. So far so good. A guy had replied to that person saying that his girlfriend had kicked him out of the bed after he had not been talking to her to which the woman with the top reply had replied that what he was doing was abusive and paid lip service that “I know it must suck but …”. It took me a long time to realize this but isn’t what the guy’s girlfriend did also abuse and a more severe form of it than the guy was doing

*used to do that to get a female perspective on life and learned a lot due to it. Have stopped doing that as it was bad for my mental health

Skeleton_Warrior · 2021-11-17T23:05:37+00:00

At Five Below earlier when I stopped by, they were selling a shirt that had the slogan "Girls run the world." I hate slogans like this, how is this promoting equality? It's very much a supremacist statement, not unlike "the future is female" which in itself is absolutely a supremacist statement just as much as "white power" is. Empowering women and girls is fine, but it should never be at the expense of misandry and promoting supremacist rhetoric like this.

Skeleton_Warrior · 2021-11-13T05:01:28+00:00

I've ranted about this before, but I'm tired of seeing female-on-male violence and sexual offenses always being brushed aside or minimized. Seeing the whole "women don't sexually harass/assault men nearly at the same rate as the other way around" and saying it's a false equivalency to do so, I mean wow. So make it even harder for male victims to get justice? It's not nearly as reported because many male victims likely fear their female offender warping things around to make it seem like she was forced into sex acts, and let's not forget how male male abuse centers and healthcare clinics got shut down by feminists. I hate seeing feminists always trying to do everything to minimize the fact many men are also victims of women, and at much higher rates than many believe or are even aware of.

PassedPawn_ · 2021-11-12T17:34:01+00:00

It goddamn sucks to be part of the group constantly shown in a negative light in media and entertainment, while having their problems and hardships ignored, trivialized, or straight-up ridiculed.

I wish we had easy access to euthanasia so we could just go fucking off ourselves.

TAMU_TIX_Throwaway · 2021-11-10T19:48:24+00:00

In case anyone wants some info and resources related to discrimination under Title IX, I made a post to my profile with my opinions and things I use while doing activist work. It's from the perspective of the complaintant rather than defendant. It might be useful if you are in the USA, are tired of sexist educational programs, and want to do something about it. It's easier than you think to start being an activist.

https://np.reddit.com/r/u_TAMU_TIX_Throwaway/comments/qnies1/title_ix_how_i_file_against_discriminatory

The bot makes me use an non participation link. Feel free to ignore that and comment, it's my post and on my profile not a sub.

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problem_redditor · 2021-11-10T18:11:51+00:00

So I just heard some people in a voice chat talk about how women with large breasts are not in an enviable position (yes, that was the topic they were discussing at the moment I was there). One of the reasons offered up was the purported back pain that being so naturally endowed supposedly causes, and the other one of the reasons offered up was that "you'll be sexualised by every piece of shit out there" and this is apparently a hardship.

I'm always very confused when I see this hysterical caterwauling about sexualisation (of women, no one gives a shit when it happens to men, which it fucking does) as some uniquely awful thing and as some unique hardship to endure. It is the biggest nothingburger of all complaints I have ever seen. It's like a celebrity complaining that they get too much attention.

What "sexualisation" is, is simply code for "being seen as sexually attractive". The main argument I've seen put forward to justify why being sexualised is a negative thing is that people view you as only being a sex object instead of a "full human being" or some shit, and that this is unacceptable. "You only see her as something to stick your dick in!!!" But we don't view most people as being "full human beings" in the way they seem to demand. We view most people through the lens of "what can I get out of them?". I don't see, say, the bus driver as a full human being with his own complex inner life even though I know he is one. I just think of him as someone who I want to get me from A to B.

Similarly there is nothing inherently wrong with viewing someone attractive as someone who you can potentially get sex or sexual pleasure from, and it doesn't make you a piece of shit. Doing things like say propositioning them or expressing sexual interest is not morally or ethically any worse and it is no more dehumanising than asking the bus driver to take you where you want. Sure, the bus driver is advertising their services. But so are women when they dress in revealing clothing that accentuate their form and put on makeup that makes them look attractive, and they're more likely to do all of these things when they go out in the world where there are lots of men to attract, so yes, they are doing it for the male attention.

More than this, even if they didn't do so, I have a hard time believing that this is such an awful thing. I had someone cold approach me the other day asking me for directions. Does this mean he was objectifying me as someone whose only purpose was to be a signpost for him and I should feel dehumanised? Because this is the very (il)logic employed by those who take umbrage at "sexualisation". I get unsolicited requests from people on Reddit to provide them with studies or rebuttals or other such things. Do I always want to do it? No. Do I feel offended and dehumanised, and do I think the people asking me for help are pieces of shit who are objectifying me as some sort of advanced AI whose only purpose is to argue and assist them in arguments? No, I don't. Actually, I'm relieved I get them because it's a sign that I'm doing something properly. It's really easy to see how idiotic that logic is when applied to other situations. Anyone who claims that sex and attraction is just different somehow is making an arbitrary, emotionally driven distinction. And these requests outlined in these situations are less reciprocal than expressing sexual interest in someone because these are people asking for favours, whereas with sex, both parties get something out of the arrangement proposed.

Viewing people in the sense of what you can get from them doesn't mean you think that they don't have other things going on outside of what they can provide to you. As another user stated, if I am looking for a sex partner, that is ultimately what you are to me. These things are transactional and it is entirely normal to treat it that way. I don't go around asking the bus driver about his favourite movies or what he does on the weekends. That doesn't mean I think the bus driver is some kind of automaton who exists to drive buses, sleeps in the bus station and so on. Similarly, I also don't view attractive people who I am sexually attracted to and want sex from as having nothing else going on in their life and as having no other value other than to give me sexual pleasure and it's demented to suggest it implies that.

The alternative to being "sexualised" is to be unattractive and ignored. The people who would otherwise see you as a "sex object" would see you as nothing at all, or simply an obstacle in their way on their path to work. This is no less dehumanising, I would think. This "sexualisation" is something many women seem to be willing to pay good cash to achieve, given how many women pay for breast implants to make their breasts look bigger. It is why there is good money in giving people said implants. This is apparently a hardship that many aspire towards. But every time a guy (at least one who they consider below their attention) makes a pass at them or even does something as little as subject them to the awful, awful violation of "stare-rape", they call for their smelling salts.

Skeleton_Warrior · 2021-11-10T16:21:18+00:00

Earlier I saw a social media post saying something about how we need more men who support women. And what about women who support men, too? Men and women both need to support each other, but as usual there's so many feminists who either regard men as evil or feel men are meant to serve them and men themselves don't deserve anything.

2021-11-10T15:22:26+00:00

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Skeleton_Warrior · 2021-11-08T09:55:15+00:00

On YouTube earlier there was an ad that came up for something about getting more women in STEM. I get so annoyed with stuff like this pushing for women in this, women in that, etc. what about the most qualified people for certain jobs? And as usual, nothing about men in STEM, despite many men wanting to pursue careers in STEM-related fields.

Bryan_Side_Account · 2021-11-03T16:51:58+00:00

I really think where I’m at is that the “men pursue/women are pursued” dynamic is inherently unfair to both men and women, and needs to be subverted in part by empowering women to seek out men they like - and accepting the risks that come with being the pursuer for once (getting rejected, potentially being seen as creepy without basis, etc.)

Bryan_Side_Account · 2021-11-02T01:46:22+00:00

I understand why some government officials advocate for expanding the military draft to include women (the government gets a wider selection of talent to choose from in the event it feels it needs to use the draft).

I don’t get why anyone else would advocate for the same, when we should instead be pushing for abolition from the draft for everyone.

We want more liberty for men, not less liberty for women. Expanding the draft to include women only adds to the oppression of women while doing nothing about the oppression of men.

TheLWMA · 2021-11-02T00:05:45+00:00

Pro-tip guys.

If you ever encounter someone who talks about "toxic masculinity" here's a way to circumvent that:

Ask them what constitutes toxic masculinity?

Ask them what constitutes traditional masculinity?

Ask them what constitutes positive masculinity?

The person you're arguing with will either leave the conversation or insult you.

Bryan_Side_Account · 2021-11-01T20:25:49+00:00

A former female friend of mine, who is a proven habitual liar (in a way that suggests she has some kind of personality disorder), got in contact with me and shared with me yet another bogus, easily disprovable, attention-seeking story.

This is one of those relationships I've had over the years where I'm scared to talk about it in case someone thinks of me as a misogynist for having a problem with it.

Skeleton_Warrior · 2021-11-01T15:26:14+00:00

Seeing it trending on Twitter about Josh Hawley's comments about men drawn to things like video games and pornography because their manhood is under attack. His comments are idiotic as is the association he makes (and it goes to further show how the Right doesn't truly advocate for men in the first place), but there is a certain degree of truth with what he said that manhood has definitely come under attack and heavy scrutiny. Over the past handful of years it feels like anything masculine has been deemed bad. But the idiotic association he makes makes does nothing to help for sure. The Right doesn't truly care about advocating for men in the first place, just exploiting their issues and challenges to promote their rhetoric.

2021-11-01T04:34:17+00:00

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Title	LWMA Lounge November 2021
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Date	October 31, 2021 11:27 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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