Politics vs Men's Rights

Mens-Advocate · 2016-11-19T09:25:05+00:00

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Mens-Advocate · 2016-11-18T23:54:26+00:00

if your post is just purely political

Not clear whether such a thing is possible, since feminism has woven itself into all aspects of modern society, including governance and politics.

TheCitizenAct · 2016-11-19T12:13:52+00:00

Second-wave feminism was spearheaded by a communist. This led to 'the personal is political.'

This led to the Third Way, or the amalgamation of far-left social values and right-wing economics, and the destruction, by the political elite, of the political spectrum. It deemed that everyone being unhappy all of the time was better than some people being unhappy some of the time, all in the name of 'compromise.' This led to the disenfranchisement of tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, of people in the 90s.

This led to identity politics or the forced categorisation of every individual, from a political perspective, by their identity (homosexual, transsexual, woman, white man, Christian, Muslim, non-white man, etc.) not their individuality.

This led to the gross exploitation of identity as a proxy for class warfare, which led to the reversal of every age-old prejudice against the resident population, eg, new 'under-class' (non-white, non-male, non-heterosexual, non-Christian, etc.) vs. white heterosexual men, which led to the universal acceptance of cultural relativism (subscribing to ethics, or passing judgement on those outside your own group, is a form of 'ethnocentrism'; every identity is valid if the person who holds that identity deems it to be) and the state adopting a position as our new moral arbiter (in place of religion).

This led to the polarisation of ALL debate, eg, you are either pro-feminism or a misogynist; you are either pro-global-governance or a fascist; you either advocate black lives matter or you're a white supremacist, etc. This is all manufactured as a means, as far as 'liberals' (anti-individualists) are concerned, towards global governance.

This led to reductionism and anti-intellectualism, to the point every liberal debate is reduced to identity warfare in an attempt to silence the opposition.

This led to every political system in western civilisation denying the most basic of basic human rights: people are an end in themselves, not a means to and end.

This led to Trump.

To ignore the political origins and implications of feminism is to ignore its raison d'être.

Badgerz92 · 2016-11-19T00:35:51+00:00

Thank you! I've noticed lately this sub has been getting swamped with political posts that have little or nothing to do with men's rights.

On a related note, can we also crack down on feminism posts that don't have anything to do with men's rights? This is supposed to be /r/mensrights not /r/antifeminism. I understand that there's a lot of overlap, but there's a difference between a post about feminist opposition to international men's day and a post about feminism that has nothing to do with men. Subs like /r/TumblrInAction, /r/MensRants or /r/SocialJusticeInAction would be better for the latter IMHO

dungone · 2016-11-21T15:35:43+00:00

I'm torn on this, given the current political climate outside of this sub.

Look at other allegedly non-partisan subs, even things like /r/science and they tend have a very overtly political, pro-feminist censorship policy. Reddit, the company itself, has an incredibly well-documented SJW bias and pro-censorship point of view. Likewise, look at the current ad-hominem attacks against the "alt-right" media by the mainstream media, where they have boiled it down to a two step process of making a vague allegation of white supremacy and then holding up an anti-feminist article written by a flamboyant gay man as "proof".

This is classic divide and conquer. It's designed to prevent groups like men's rights from ever receiving mainstream support from either the left or the right. Why? Because men's rights has the potential to completely up-end the entire political establishment. And it's generally been working for them, so far. This is perhaps why there is such a flood of 'alt-right' political views on our sub, since the 'alt-right' media is one of the few that occasionally prints our point of view. So I would say that rather than this being a problem of right-wingers trying to make this sub political, it is more of a problem with the left wing and mainstream groups refusing to integrate men's rights into their political agenda.

I'm not just being contrarian for the sake of it. I think that what men's rights has to do is work towards creating a robust, legitimate political platform and start putting together a voting bloc that will force both the left and right to take notice of the actual issues rather than just using them as a boogeyman to divert voters towards their own agendas or away from their opponents' agendas.

The irony is that if Democrats had taken men's rights seriously, they would have never lost. Clinton proved that SJW politics are completely out of touch with even the Democrats' own voter base. They tried every trick in the book, even the last minute false rape accusations against Trump. It didn't work. The "Bernie-bro" rhetoric and flat-out cheating during the primaries pose doff a whole lot of people during the primaries. They absolutely lost male union workers in many states, people wh traditionally hold their noses and vote for an anti-male agenda because they support other parts of the platform. This entire situation is the fault of the politically correct liberal establishment. And it is political.

hashtagweedgraffiti · 2016-11-19T00:46:56+00:00

I'm slightly worried, while Trump is against a lot of the same things we're against and may make moves to stop this, at the same time alot of the things we're against derive power from percieved victimization of women, which Trump embodies so as Trump does things that may hurt our economy, while helping our cause, he will end up with a bad reputation(i.e. when he isn't convicted of those sexual assault charges it's rape culture) and end up giving us a bad name. As a reaction to Trump and our ideas becoming more mainstream, our opposition will grow in number and a candidate will come along who will put into place many laws that oppress men(Dunham/Schumer ticket for 2020 NOOOOOOO!)

FaustyArchaeus · 2016-11-20T10:55:30+00:00

Generally I feel the alt left has made politics and mens rights go hand in hand.

When you are told you are sexist for your political beliefs then it is now intertwined

Pornography_saves_li · 2016-11-19T07:50:12+00:00

You heard him guys. No more pro conservative viewpoints!

GetOffMyPrawn · 2016-11-19T17:18:30+00:00

On one hand, a great deal of politics (and the losing side's collective wailing and gnashing of teeth) is related to men's issues and pervasive anti-male sentiment. On the other hand, not everyone here buys into the left-anti-male / right-male-friendly split. Or even the left-right dichotomy in general. Sometimes it's tricky to see the line between legit men's rights matters and plain old politics. But let's try to keep it on the former not the latter. If I want nasty partisan politics, I'll just go back to Facebook and re-follow the usual suspects.

sillymod · 2016-11-20T14:28:50+00:00

After the US election, this will hopefully cease to be a great issue here.

Title	Politics vs Men's Rights
Author	sillymod
Upvotes	71
Comments	62
Date	November 18, 2016 10:38 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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