Gay men and the MRA.

thrway_1000 · 2012-08-03T06:31:44+00:00

Gay rights are men's rights. That's my take at least.

Eryemil · 2012-08-03T06:45:02+00:00

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MrStonedOne · 2012-08-03T12:12:10+00:00

I think gay rights might end up helping us get a leg up in the family court system. (Wait for gay couples to have to go thru child custody. at some point some court system will decide to write a departmental policy on how to handle these cases. Freedom of information request gets us the policy (we can do it under the guise of checking to see if they are homophobic if we know that county is trying to prove otherwise, they will comply), then one discrimination against sexual orientation lawsuit gets that policy applied to straight couples (assuming its a fair policy)).

Gay rights are also pushing to change gender roles. This helps us.

I got all the youth care centers in the seattle area to change their domestic violence pamphlets to be gender neutral by pointing out the number of gay youth in the area.
So we can take gendered policies or ads or shit like that and use the fear of being seen as homophobic as a way of getting them gender neutralized.

I just wish the trans community on reddit was so god damn pro-feminism and didn't take such offence to the idea that men might be discriminated against more, even if its just in some areas. (when ladymra mods invited them to come check it out, that was the biggest thing they took offence to apparently.)

Gay rights can help our agenda out some what (there is more overlap then people realize), and I have zero issue with hijacking the movement to support ours as long as we don't redirect the movement off of its goals.

2012-08-03T07:00:38+00:00

I think perhaps I should post this. I myself am bisexual and post here pretty often. I did not intend any particular underlying sentiments so I wrote very little. I just wanted to see people's views.

ghebert001 · 2012-08-03T10:10:11+00:00

Gay men are first and foremost MEN. We have the same issues as men but also gay men have their own set of issues which, although they may not be issues straight men face, should be something we work together to change.

johntheother · 2012-08-03T07:39:17+00:00

Are gay men men? yes? so what was the question?

gwolf100 · 2012-08-03T20:50:56+00:00

I feel like the MRM is the only true sort of bastion I have as a gay man any more. Sure, we have fairly powerful lobbies on the behalf of gay men/women, but here's the issue--they fight on a legal level, not a social level. What I appreciate about the MRM is that it broadens the spectrum of who can be considered masculine, without denouncing masculinity. You see the most devastating issue that a lot of gay guys have to deal with is the questioning of their masculinity. There's something about being openly gay that draws that into question and the thing is--here in the MRM "sphere" you don't have to explain that pain, it's understood. I've never once had my masculinity called into question by an MRM advocate or ally, there's a general acceptance here, that if you feel yourself to be male (regardless of your genitals, I find the place is quite trans inclusive too which is nice because I feel for them too) then you're one of the guys. In my opinion the most devastating thing that feminism has done is it has ruined the idea that men hanging around men and being men is a good thing. They've turned into this toxic thing. Honestly the best thing the MRM can do for gay men is just tell us: "Hey you're one of the guys."

2012-08-03T06:40:40+00:00

Bottom line, I doubt the MRM will ever advocate specifically for gay rights such as gay marriage, gay adoption, etc. There is already a movement that concerns itself with these issues, and it would be redundant to redirect our efforts on those issues regardless of our member's personal feelings. You can be an MRA and gay rights advocate at the same time, working on both towards their respective goals.

Where the MRM comes into play for gay men is not in their sexual preferences, but their gender. Some issues the MRM is fighting for are exclusive to heterosexual men (marriage, contraception, child custody vs the mother), but many others encompass all men. Look at female-on-male rape, selective service, homeless and suicide statistics, pedophile hysteria; all these things affect men regardless of their sexual orientation, and it is in these ways that the MRM will most benefit homosexual men.

Planned_Serendipity · 2012-08-03T13:48:23+00:00

MRA and Gay Right? Yeah sure i see a few connections between the two, but i think the gays/lesbians have pretty much already won their fight. The ones that are fighting against gay rights are quickly becoming a minority. The only ones we hear about are those that already have a foot in the grave like Mr. Chick Fil A. With each generation the acceptance of gays has grown tremendously. In 10 to 20 years it won't matter anymore.

2012-08-03T17:01:39+00:00

I wrote about it here

ENTP · 2012-08-03T19:04:08+00:00

Gay men's rights are men's rights.

2012-08-03T11:48:17+00:00

I was first introduced to the concept of misandry by a gay friend.

Not all his issues affect me as a straight man. Not all mine affect him. But there are a lot we have in common. We are both men and we both suffer from the disparagement of men that's become common in society.

box2check · 2012-08-05T05:12:53+00:00

Several responses have said some variety of: "Certain MRA issues are for heterosexual men only," to which I have to ask, don't you think gay men have straight friends? brothers? fathers? uncles?

Yeah, you might not personally get a woman pregnant... but you are affected by the way your hetero bros are treated in this world.

DunstilBrejik · 2012-08-08T01:39:00+00:00

Well, it is male rights, and there are some things that will be the same with gay men (gay men get raped by women the same way straight men get raped by women, and gay men can still be circumcised) but with issues that don't affect gay men, it would just be empathy, the same reason that white people also wanted equal rights for black people. (I'm a pansexual)

rightsbot · 2012-08-03T06:22:17+00:00

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2012-08-03T15:07:41+00:00

Men's rights are gay rights, gay rights are not always specifically men's rights.

All are welcome, and all men's rights affect gay men. Fighting for men's rights in general helps everyone.

PaintChem · 2012-08-03T14:23:22+00:00

Everyone needs to stop with the <insert group> rights crap. Seriously, I don't even like the idea of "Men's Rights". I understand why they are named so, but it runs counter to what that group should be trying to accomplish. The basic tenet of every "rights" group should be this:

Rights are given to individuals and not groups.

Title	Gay men and the MRA.
Author	deluks917
Upvotes	31
Comments	91
Date	August 3, 2012 6:20 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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