Promiscuity, Narcissism and Gender

ReddishBlack · 2015-03-05T18:49:51+00:00

TRP is a guide for narcissists, written by sociopaths, on how to fuck psychopaths. It is good at what it does, so why are we mad?

feelstheheats · 2015-03-05T17:54:02+00:00

Women are not as horny as men and should not feel the need to fuck every fit man with a decent face they see. By this logic should high sex drive women get a free pass for casual sex while low sex drive men are shamed for any sex they have outside a relationship?

This idea has to do with that if a guy just has a good looking face it is normally not enough to entice a girl for sex. There has to be a sense of confidence that he has, along with other traits that would make him sexy to me.

This is in contrast to the fact that I can get plenty of guys looking and interested in me if i wear some booty shorts and heels

UniversityofToronto · 2015-03-05T16:52:30+00:00

Why does TRP promote and/or support these ideas when they're categorically untrue?

It has 13 upvotes after 3 days. Half the comments disagreed. I don't think this is the post you want to pick when you're planning to write an 8 page paper on TRP. It's like saying some small town mayor in New Mexico speaks for the entire Republican party.

HelenBeck · 2015-03-05T18:45:41+00:00

The flaw in red pill philosophy is gross generalizations and stereotypes. You can't cleanly lump billions of biological units into tidy groups. Claiming that all of one group shares the same mating strategy is ludicrous. Humans are complex and diverse. Diversity is the driving mechanism of evolution. We are not a monoculture!

masterrod · 2015-03-05T23:05:25+00:00

If any woman riding the CC is selfish and narcissistic, by that logic isn't this person also calling promiscuous RPers selfish and narcissistic?

They don't mean clinically narcissistic. However, they mean that it's socially acceptable for women to gain more than they give, especially if sexual relations are involved. Some women take full advantage of this.

Does that mean RPers who wouldn't ask women what they want, and assume to know so, aren't empathetic and presumably narcissistic?

Well you cant ask but you shouldn't. The idea is to learn about her so you don't have to ask, often. You must be more focused on action, and ok with mistakes. You could call it narcissistic, but the success in action is leads to lengthening a relationship. It's really about both parties in the end.

This statement is contradictory, if a woman only cared for herself why wouldn't she care about her health in preventing STDs? It also implies that those promiscuous women value validation from alphas rather than their own sexual desire which comes off as highly solipsistic of the author.

It means sometimes women will opt for passion of right now over the future long term happiness. I'd say less mature women, will do this more than older women. However, the idea of passion is an important aspect of a relationship.

Here the author again assumes that promiscuous women are generally seeking commitment rather than sexual desire, he seems not to realize that women seek sex often because they enjoy it as men do. More solipsism on his part.

It's hard to say whether someone is thinking about commitment or not. You question a woman that is so low value that people only want to sleep with her, or she doesn't commit to anyone. Because passion by it's every nature is temporary. A woman, that only focuses on passion for extend period of time is foolish, or purposely avoiding something.

By this logic, do promiscuous men only care about themselves and the pussy validating them?

Yep also true. But it also, depends on how's it's done.

Why is the author so mad that women might have sex with a man or men he deems out of her league? Is he also angry at men who get women he deems to be out of their league? Should he also be furious at those promiscuous men who don't care about the future bond between their wife, children and health? Because if he isn't, then he does indeed come off as misogynistic.

Good questions.

By this logic should high sex drive women get a free pass for casual sex while low sex drive men are shamed for any sex they have outside a relationship?

Women and men are just as horny as each other. Women just have more to lose by a mistake, so they learn to control themselves.

The author attempts to re-define sanity as a gendered condition in which sane women only strive for emotional connection and trade sex for it, rather than desiring sex herself. This to me is the saddest part of the whole post, the author is not only invalidating women's sexual desire, he's implying then that sane men only seek sex and trade commitment for it, rather than than desiring emotional connection and commitment themselves.

I'm not sure he's saying that. But I will say since pussy has immense value, it's behooves a woman to protect it.

That's going on here? Why does TRP promote and/or support these ideas when they're categorically untrue? If it's true wouldn't all this stuff about narcissism apply to promiscuous men too?

This part of your post doesn't make sense to me. A person constantly looking for external validation, without care for others is a narcissist. Man or woman. This type of rhetoric is designed to help RPs stay clear of ladies that would be not ideal for relationships.

Ak_Float_Flyer · 2015-03-05T18:56:03+00:00

The most important thing for a man to look for in a mate is that she be capable of being happy. If she is in a relationship and is not happy you can bet that her mate is going to get the blame. If she cannot be happy as a single woman no man will be able to fix that.

Red Pillers approach an understanding of this truth when they speak of women destroying marriages for no better reason than they are "not happy". Women come closer to this truth when they advise each other to do exactly that, but they never seem to go so far as to ask if her mate is really the reason she isn't.

Obesity, strident feminism, promiscuity, substance abuse and many other behaviors are important hints of emotional baggage. A history of (real or imagined) abusive boyfriends is, too. It is only reasonable for men to try to avoid becoming emotionally attached to a woman with any of these "issues".

As for narcissism, it is very easy for attractive young people of either gender to develop that. Red Pillers don't even deny it; they are forever talking about "dark triad" traits in themselves.

Villaintine · 2015-03-05T23:22:16+00:00

I hate to fall into the blueper tactic of attacking the individual rather than the idea but if you look at the post hx of that guy not only is he wholly unqualified to diagnose anyone as a narcissist (which seems to be the hot buzz label to apply to selfish people) but he's also largely unsupported (most comments with only a single point despite being in a sub attributed to being an ignorant circlejerk).

In short, you're basing an entire post on someone who is not at all representative of TRP. Reeks of cherry-picking.

rdsthrowaway · 2015-03-05T17:56:00+00:00

Here the author again assumes that promiscuous women are generally seeking commitment rather than sexual desire, he seems not to realize that women seek sex often because they enjoy it as men do.

From my own life experiences, women that sleep around do it 90% to get the commitment of guys. There were askwomen threads I read that asked women whom have lots of casual sex, would you sleep with a guy whom didn't see you as 'girlfriend-material'. Everyone of them said no.

Why is the author so mad that women might have sex with a man or men he deems out of her league? Is he also angry at men who get women he deems to be out of their league? Should he also be furious at those promiscuous men who don't care about the future bond between their wife, children and health? Because if he isn't, then he does indeed come off as misogynistic.

He is upset because a woman's sleeping around will ruin her ability to bond with another guy. If she sleeps with guys out of her league, her future partner will be less attractive, and she will always be comparing/judging him to guys in her past.

Is he also angry at men who get women he deems to be out of their league?

This rarely happens especially for casual sex. Men sleep with lower quality women (than they form relationships with) mainly because they are available.

kick6 · 2015-03-05T20:46:39+00:00

If any woman riding the CC is selfish and narcissistic, by that logic isn't this person also calling promiscuous RPers selfish and narcissistic?

no. Men aren't women.

Does that mean RPers who wouldn't ask women what they want, and assume to know so, aren't empathetic and presumably narcissistic?

We do one better: we observe the choices you make, and assume that you choose what you want.

Here the author again assumes that promiscuous women are generally seeking commitment rather than sexual desire, he seems not to realize that women seek sex often because they enjoy it as men do. More solipsism on his part.

No. Men aren't women.

In case you all think I'm putting words in his mouth, he says so very clearly: "The only thing they care about is themselves and an alpha dick validating them." By this logic, do promiscuous men only care about themselves and the pussy validating them?

No. Men aren't women. (are we noticing a pattern here?)

Why is the author so mad that women might have sex with a man or men he deems out of her league? Is he also angry at men who get women he deems to be out of their league? Should he also be furious at those promiscuous men who don't care about the future bond between their wife, children and health? Because if he isn't, then he does indeed come off as misogynistic.

No. Men aren't women. Men don't bond with their future wife the same way women bond with their future husband. Because of the unique way each sex loves, promiscuity has a different effect on long term bounding. To be short, women's love is opportunistic, and if she practices seizing multiple opportunities throughout her life, she loses the ability to settle on any one opportunity.

What's going on here? Why does TRP promote and/or support these ideas when they're categorically untrue? If it's true wouldn't all this stuff about narcissism apply to promiscuous men too?

The only thing categorically untrue is your basal, unstated, assumption that men and women are the same.

Icebluedial · 2015-03-05T18:28:57+00:00

Casual sex hurts most women because it weakens the effect of the chemical bond released during sex for women. That doesn't undermine women's sexual desire it just adds a caveat to its exploration.

Our whole society is narcissistic and its on the rise. This makes people more promiscuous, but it can also make some people less promiscuous. It's more complicated than your post lets on.

squirrels33 · 2015-03-05T21:13:33+00:00

C'mon. You already know the answer to this question. Promiscuity is directly correlated with a tendency toward self-interest in people of both genders. A quick google search will turn up several scientific articles and studies suggesting that this is the case.

Likewise, a notorious sign of narcissism is not wanting to take responsibility for your actions. You see this behavior frequently in TRP (aka men who don't believe they should be held responsible for anything) and also in the extreme, third-wave feminist corner of the blue pill (aka women who don't believe they should be held responsible for anything). In both genders, it's equally unflattering.

Now let the downvoting begin.

Title	Promiscuity, Narcissism and Gender
Author	SailorMilkshake
Upvotes	17
Comments	98
Date	March 5, 2015 4:28 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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