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you have to be smart to be good at things that require skill/nuance, i guess you think there is no skill/nuance required in that... or at least for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 05:54 AM
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well i'll defer to your expertise on the topic of dumbness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 10:32 PM
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dumb girls are unlikely to do anything with advanced skill/nuance as advanced skill/nuance requires higher intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 08:47 PM
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And yet despite his age Trump's women are insanely more attractive and low class (remember, there are lots of hot low class women), because he can't pull from the more selective smaller group of attractive and high class women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 04:54 PM
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Prince William married a "commoner" (Kate) she was hardly low status... "She is the eldest of three children born to Michael Middleton and his wife, Carole (née Goldsmith), a former flight dispatcher and flight attendant, respectively, who in 1987 founded Party Pieces, a mail order private company that sells party supplies and decorations with an estimated worth of £30 million.[19][20][21] The family of her father Michael has ties to British aristocracy and benefitted financially from trust fund…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 04:51 PM
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Say I'm a billionaire. outlier examples have no bearing on the findings of this study. I could also be an asshole in many ways -- unreasonably tough on subordinates, mean to family members, short with friends, petty in business -- but still think starving kids in Africa are worth feeding. People would still (reasonably) call me an asshole, but I'd be altruistic. being altruistic a fraction of the time does not make you someone people would typically refer to as altruistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 08:37 PM
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By definition, altruistic people are not necessarily non-assholes. the definition of altruistic is "showing a disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others; unselfish." I can be an awful person who donates money to charity for tax purposes; how do you imagine/reason that donating money to a charity typically benefits the individual financially more than it costs them? if you give 10k to a charity, while that lowers your tax basis, and thus lower your taxes a bit, you are still …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 08:11 PM
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the user i was responding to has a history of resorting to insults, hence my sarcastic question.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 07:42 PM
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haha, says the person that responded to my thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 06:53 PM
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i meant rich conservatives are not more giving than rich liberals.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 06:25 PM
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what percent of the time do you think insults are useful when you utilize them? i tend to use insults as a mirror towards people who tend to use insults. i figure that's the language they understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 06:23 PM
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Or to read this the other way successful people are more altruistic than unsuccessful people so successful people don't tend to be assholes then? doesn't red pill like to claim girls like jerks?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 06:19 PM
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no red pill is by it's own definition a sexual strategy sub and if being selfless gets you more sex, you would think it would mention/promote that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 03:06 PM
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so you think it's wrong to insult people?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 02:46 PM
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do you imagine people have a high motivation to lie about donating blood on research questionnaires that have no effect on them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 02:25 PM
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i'm sorry i could not spoon feed you thoughts. feel free to discern some on your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 02:22 PM
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blue pill is a satire site not a guide to how men can score.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 02:22 PM
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so what's your concise argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 02:20 PM
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiasavchuk/2014/10/06/wealthy-americans-are-giving-less-of-their-incomes-to-charity-while-poor-are-donating-more/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 01:26 PM
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiasavchuk/2014/10/06/wealthy-americans-are-giving-less-of-their-incomes-to-charity-while-poor-are-donating-more/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 01:25 PM
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this study wasn't measuring absolute amount though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 01:24 PM
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study didn't measure wealth. you can be poor and donate your winnings more often than someone that wins all the time, or be poor and donate blood more than someone that is well off, etc..
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 01:23 PM
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Altruism is pretty much orthogonal to the alpha-beta-scale. I know betas who are stingy and egocentric, and I know warm, helpful people who are alphas. if alphaness means getting sex and/or who gets more sex, than this study would suggest being altruistic is not orthogonal to alphaness, at least on average (i.e. there might be a smaller group of successful assholes that get more sex, but according to this study there must be a larger group of altruists that gets more sex).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 01:21 PM
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so the world is to blame for selfish people. any empirical research to back up your theory?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 01:19 PM
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Who would have thought? red pillers that invest all their time in day game and hanging out on red pill might not have thought that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 01:18 PM
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can you post a red pill article that advocates any of the helping behaviors mentioned in the study?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 01:17 PM
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Plus, conservatives are proven to be more generous with private charity (liberals want the government to take all your money and solve all the world's problems). this has more to do with poor people being religious in america and religion instructing them to be charitable/tithe. rich conservatives are not more giving than liberal conservatives. https://www.rt.com/usa/193952-charity-conservatives-religion-utah/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 01:16 PM
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you sound upset. if this research had said something you agreed with would you have been as upset? when's the last time you donated blood?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 01:13 PM
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However, "it's a more effective signal for men than for women," Barclay said. The study found that while altruism is a desirable quality among both genders, it affects men's lifetime dating and sex partners more than women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 01:12 PM
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it's reasonable to say more of them are sociopaths, or they are more likely to be sociopaths. but the idea that they are all xyz, is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/16 12:53 PM
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If you think politicians don't operate on self-interest you are living a fantasy world. thinking everyone is the same is a simplistic fantasy, and erroneous thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/16 12:25 PM
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considering women are found far more often in self sacrificing professions (nursing, counseling, social work), i would say yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/16 04:20 AM
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i do think a people's history of civilization matters. asians and jews score highest on iq tests and also have the longest histories of living in a manner resembling a modern civilization. i don't think more primitive populations would be able to replicate singapore's success. as to your star trek point, i do think we can't go straight from tribalism to globalism, or deal in globalistic ways with more tribalistic cultures/countries (just as we can't expect brazil to easily replicate what singapo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/16 04:17 AM
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http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/AP11.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 08:55 PM
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in a club or sports team context you are going to actually develop organic relationships and sense whether a girl is interested versus the random cold call method that will annoy most people. if you really hate bars and clubs, etc., you could use the acceptable cold calling method, okcupid/tinder/bumble where people are willingly putting themselves out their for your to try to talk to. if you can't find any luck with that option, you likely need to overhaul yourself (get in shape, personality ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 08:53 PM
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so it's not inconsiderate to hit on people that don't want you to hit on them? do you enjoy, welcome getting phone solicitations? do you consider whether someone is inviting you to hit on them (for instance if they stare and smile at you) before hitting on them?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 08:37 PM
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there is a correlation between low ethnocentrism and higher iq and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 08:08 PM
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hitting on people in public uninvited is an extremely inefficient and inconsiderate use of their time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 08:06 PM
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do a search on google scholar for ethnocentrism and iq correlations and you will find the dumbest people tend to score highest on ethnocentric inventories, and the smartest people lowest. so if you value intelligence (which i'm guessing you do since you seem to use the term retard pejoratively) you might want to reconsider your ethnocentric views (since it's associated with mental retardation).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 06:50 PM
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not surprised someone with your primitive ideology can't address modern issues/problems or complex questions like tribalism's relationship to nationalist fueled warfare/conflict (a much bigger problem historically than the 'migrant crisis'). your type will suffer the same fate as the appendix. i just hope you can go extinct peacefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 06:35 PM
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Tribalism is a part of being human. We come pre-programmed with in-group preference because it conferred an evolutionary advantage vs. diseases one hasn't been exposed to. this was true when humans were more primitive, lacked modern technology. humans also used to have a use for the appendix. and are you suggesting being exposed to new diseases is bad long term (i agree it's bad short term)? If the elites had simply let it be, we'd still be enjoying a continuation of the peace and prosperity tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 06:26 PM
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feel free to explain what they hell you think. you said globalism caused modern world problems. explain how tribalism results in a world without environmental problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 06:10 PM
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why don't you join a coed club and/or sports team?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 05:54 PM
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you know there is a middle way, where most people reside happily. read up on tit for tat research.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 05:03 PM
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you understand that the right wing is the party full of strict constitutionalists, that don't tend to want change. most of the amendments to the constitution have benefited the left and been resisted by the right. care to rethink your ridiculous argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 05:01 PM
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Seems like overall everyone is out for themselves. Why should I be the one to sacrifice for others? this is the mantra of selfish people actually. selfless people don't actually think/operate like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 04:45 PM
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you should include pics of your cartoons for context.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 04:44 PM
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Would other people KNOW I was the one responsible for making everyone else 30% healthier and more attractive? they would not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 04:43 PM
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No, it's never wrong to defend the constitution against enemies, foreign and domestic. so when you said the above, you meant defending the parts of the constitution you agree with. and in fact, you want to change the ones you don't agree with. how is that different than someone who wants to change the parts of the constitution you like? I just said I philosophically am partial to changing the constitution to reflect a more perfect union. so you are a unionist/tribalist not a constitutionalist?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 04:41 PM
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what percentage of your personality do you imagine is explained by seeing your eyes? is there something about your eyes that forces you to have to interact with humans only remotely?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 04:09 PM
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if you could make everyone in the world, including yourself, 30% healthier/more-attractive tomorrow or make only yourself 40% healthier/more-attractive tomorrow (everyone else stays where they are), which would you choose? just curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 04:08 PM
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have no idea about aspects of you that you haven't displayed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 04:04 PM
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i can tell you that defensiveness is not a sign of being secure in your self, being a happy, emotionally stable person. and i've already stated that myers briggs introversion correlates to neuroticism (see ei1 and x1,x2 connection in this study http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.555.3131&rep=rep1&type=pdf).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 03:57 PM
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so are you advocating we return to primitive agrarian tribe living? are you arguing tribal competition can't result in technological innovation sufficient to produce earth endangering pollution?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 03:42 PM
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what's your internal narrative as to why you invest so much of your time interacting with people on the webernet? in general, would you say people that spend a lot of their time interacting on the webernet are neurotypical or neuroatypical?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 03:39 PM
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After all, if you can imagine a person just like you, with a similar body to yours, but more assertive, why can't you become that? as i said total transformation is possible, i just think it's rare. it's why most people end up regaining weight they lose. it's hard and rare to transform one's default self. but a few manage to do it, so it's not impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 03:30 PM
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notes: needs excessive social attention/validation but due to being a female aspie/autist (empathetically retarded) can't get that in real life and thus spends too much time on the webernet trying to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 03:28 PM
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does chadwick even know about the existence of trp?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 03:24 PM
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i dont have "social issues" what are you making up. i guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 03:23 PM
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that's a valid point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 03:22 PM
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Yes - we were too beta before. No - we are not beta anymore. i think some people can transform themselves significantly, but they are the exception. you really think you are one of those exceptions? that most red pill followers are as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 03:21 PM
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your online life is part of your life, how you spend every minute of your day reflects who you are. just because you might have social issues in person, doesn't mean you are not a social person. myers briggs extro/intro scale is more of a depression scale than a reflection of social orientation / need for and enjoyment of external validation which is what drives most social interaction (online and off).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 03:20 PM
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i assure you, you are an extro. otherwise you wouldn't waste so much time communicating with other humans on the webernet. non-extros live more solitary, non-social lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 03:15 PM
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i made it very clear why it mattered. i could similarly deride women that are more athletic than me as butch if i was insecure about my masculinity (or lack thereof).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 03:03 PM
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But as a thought experiment, all the men were unwilling to take leadership so you would think that the woman who jumped at the chance must be an idiot. Taking on the brexxit issue is a poison pill for whoever ends up dealing with it. Political suicide. or maybe some people don't operate entirely on self interest (which i understand can be a hard concept for a self interested person to grasp). some people are more motivated by a challenge, or even self sacrifice / martyrdom. there are lots of per…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 02:44 PM
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are you more or less stylish/fashionable than the typical hipster?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 02:19 PM
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so it's shameful for a man to be better at female stereotypical things, like being stylish (or being a good cook)? no it's not, just like it isn't shameful for a woman to be better at male stereotypical things, like athletics. the only shame is for men or women who feel inferior to/around these people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 12:37 PM
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a male can be strong while being more stylish than a lot of women, just as a female can be feminine while being a better athlete than a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 12:14 PM
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I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. Globalism does not imply agreement. look up "international standards" and start reading. If the US wants to really tackle climate change, it needs (under the current set-up) broad international cooperation, which might or might not be there. I tend to agree that climate change isn't the best use case of tribalism, since any real effort will require a coordinated global agenda, however, climate change is not the be-all and end-all of policy. so you at agree if cli…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 12:13 PM
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let's put it this way, i imagine there are a lot of very attractive, still feminine women, who are better athletes than a lot of men, and probably you. how do women like that make you feel about yourself (if you are a man)?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 12:02 PM
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if it meant giving a final, hearty "fuck you" to feminism, socialism, multiculturalism, and all the other corrupt -isms which plague our modern times. Hit the reset button sayeth I. do you feel like modernity is leaving you behind? rendering you obsolete?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 11:57 AM
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Want to know why you don't hear anything about the ozone layer anymore? Because we fixed it. yes, thanks to international cooperation, i.e. globalism, we did. with enough lead time, human beings are very good at fixing that disaster. read collapse by jared diamond which outlines how every large civilization up to now has collapsed due to it's resource appetite exceeding what it's environment could provide. when that level is reached, society, in the past, hasn't adjusted to the problem, it simpl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 04:38 AM
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cool, thanks for elaborating. yeah, feel free to add more info when you have time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 02:07 AM
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globalism wasn't possible in the past. it evolved like tribalism once did based on what worked best in the present environment. but, i'm inclined to think we might not get far debating tribalism vs globalism in the abstract so let's focus on a practical topic. how can tribalism fix/preserve the viability of the environment/earth? even if tribalism was better in every other way (which i don't think it is), who cares if tribalism results in the planet becoming a uninhabitable shit hole because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 01:41 AM
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so, what school of thought has replaced redpill for you? how would you summarize the jist of what you thought was red pill, that you followed? and how would you summarize the jist of what you follow now? and what was the turning point?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 01:28 AM
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who's more masculine, hillary or trump?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 01:15 AM
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Many men would be enthralled by that. women probably don't want to have sex with those kind of men (i.e. aspies) though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 01:08 AM
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when it comes to 'rape fantasies' i would guess it's more common for... women to fantasize about desirable men, that want them, wanting to push boundaries to get them. men to fantasize about pushing boundaries with desirable women that want them. the real and maybe even fantasy rape scenario people have a legit issue with is men pushing or ignoring boundaries with women that don't want them, or that they have no clue whether they want them. pushing boundaries with someone that's into you, finds …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 01:05 AM
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first, how is it immoral? is taking land by military action moral (because a lot of anti-globalists defend military conquest as an acceptable form of state expansion, because that's just how it's been done historically)? and where's your solution to protecting the environment if you have no global treaty system or enforcement organization? or do you believe the earth doesn't need protecting? where is the morality of endorsing a political ideology that does not preserve the viability of the plane…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 12:42 AM
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how do you ever hope to fix/preserve the environment (i.e. keep the earth inhabitable) with an every country for themselve nationalist/tribalist status quo? globalism (global economic interdependence, cooperation, etc.) is the only way. tribalism made sense when humans were isolated and had primitive technology, which is why it evolved and many humans still are driven by it. but the modern world with it's modern problems can only be addressed with globalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 08:55 PM
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i'm curious if he's an outsider in his friend/family group, and if so how that plays out... or if he has a pro trump friend/family group. and why are terpers so obsessed with shaming? if they didn't care what people thought, shame would not be an issue worth noticing, thinking about, talking about... and yet they go on and on about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 07:30 PM
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do your friends and family know you think like this? if so, what do they say/think?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 06:37 PM
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Although I don't believe anyone who doesn't pay income taxes should be voting to begin with, philosophically, as most black voters don't. where in the constitution does it say voter's rights hinge on paying taxes?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 06:18 PM
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Hillary gets in, I have zero confidence those checks and balances will function. why don't checks and balances work for hillary? what does she have that trump doesnt?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 06:16 PM
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I may be slightly bitter. i appreciate your honesty. how can we neglect, ignore, maroon unhealthy people without it not hurting us long term? do you propose walled ghettos for unhealthy people so they can slowly die outside of sight without draining society for the medical needs? how would your vision of the country work?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 06:14 PM
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technically mongoloids are east asians and have a higher average iq and lower crime rate than caucasians, so why wouldn't you want them making decisions for your comparatively inferior self/people? I want to say libertarian because I feel like my personal liberties and pursuit of happiness are being heavily curbed. ha, i would really like to know what changes in the law you imagine would turn you from a bitter individual into a happy one?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 04:12 PM
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No, it's never wrong to defend the constitution against enemies, foreign and domestic. trumps official pr on the speech differs from your views, he made it clear he was not talking about a revolt. so is he being dishonest about what he really said? do you feel the same way about unconstitutional voter laws that historically tried to disfranchise black votes? or do only some parts of the constitution matter to you? are voter rights of all people as important as gun rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 04:09 PM
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ok, but if it ends up being a landslide for hillary, what do you think you are not seeing/understanding?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 03:17 PM
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if he ends up losing big, how will you feel/think about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 03:04 PM
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haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 03:02 PM
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what tribalist leaders have been elected in western democratic countries? tribalism still exists, but if it was as dominant as you say, tribalist leaders would easily beat globalist leaders in western democratic countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 01:53 PM
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Clinton insinuated she was staying in the race against obama because he could be assassinated in 08. so you are saying it was wrong of clinton to do that? that's a reasonable opinion. were trumps remarks also wrong? and/or if you are admitting he was at least saying there might be a violent uprising if hilary picked the wrong judges, why are most trumpies not admitting that (why are they parroting the trump pr message)? are they delusional or denying the true meaning of his remarks because they …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 01:46 PM
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one claimed origin of the word honeymoon - A widely disputed explanation of the term[7][8] claims that it comes from a tradition in any of a number of cultures (e.g. Welsh,[9] German or Scandinavian[10] or Babylonian[11]) where mead (honey wine) was drunk in great quantities at weddings and then after the ceremony nuptial couples were given a month’s supply of mead.[11] It was believed that by faithfully drinking mead for that first month, the woman would “bear fruit” and a child would be born w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 02:22 AM
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is it more tedious than learning about women from men on the internet versus interacting with women in real life...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 08:20 PM
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so you can't generalize without the aid of TRP (which wouldn't generalize those groups), got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 08:03 PM
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AWALT. All women are a little damaged, insecure, narcissistic and emotionally unhealthy. can you do this kind of summary for men, white people, black people, arabs, christians, muslims?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 05:54 PM
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http://thyshallbedone.blogspot.com/2007/07/shared-paternity-in-south-american.html
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 03:46 PM
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how does it feel to have to lie all the time? have you always been like this? were your parents honest people?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 06:36 PM
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there is a difference between relevant truths and every truth. your argument - that because telling every truth no matter the relevance could be hurtful, you can rightfully avoid being honest in general - is a rationalization to justify sociopathic behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 06:33 PM
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hang out in bohemian/artistic circles and you won't find that to be true (i.e. stray outside squaresville).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 12:27 PM
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what does it say that younger women are cool with men not paying and red pill is always complaining that old school women (who expect men to pay) are better than new school women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 12:26 PM
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then the study would then find no difference between women who marry late and educated women who marry late. marrying late and education are two separate factors which decrease divorce risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 04:10 PM
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similar cultural level is maybe even more important than similar economic level.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 04:09 PM
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so they make bad partners and parents but men are less likely to divorce them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 04:07 PM
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i think the issue is physical attractiveness has more power over men than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 11:37 PM
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why did he run from the two men that happened upon them?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 10:49 PM
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how much time have you spent on tbp vs trp?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 12:02 AM
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how does red pill minimize their anger?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 11:36 PM
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you just magically turned beta? how does that happen? are you just more capable of magical personal transformation than most?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 11:35 PM
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no, the only point i was making is most people (and apparently even you mostly) prefer jokey/satirical people to angry people. do you think tpb is full of more angry people than trp (the same, or less)?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 11:34 PM
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would you rather hang out with angry people or jokey/satirical people? do you consider yourself more of an angry person or more jokey/satirical?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 10:11 PM
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I'm a tall stunningly handsome fit how did you find/need red pill if that is true?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 10:09 PM
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so you agree TRP is a fringe group?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 10:06 PM
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hey, feel free to show me the red pill articles that address/help red pillers with their social/external-que cluelessness. they clearly need it, so i don't understand why red pill isn't providing it... other than because red pill is that unaware/clueless.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 10:30 PM
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as empty of social clueless-ness relevant content as i presumed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 10:12 PM
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where is the red pill sidebar material that gives actionable info for red pillers to get better at reading environmental cues... or even articles discussing that it's an issue they need to work on?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 01:12 PM
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i think red pillers don't acknowledge the extent to which their internal flaws cause them to be unhappy. red pill is not a group that is designed well to improve self awareness, other awareness... at best it improves red pillers understanding of a limited, flawed red pill schema / perspective of the world. that's hardly liberating. i would compare it to a poor person afflicted with greed who thinks the solution to that is to get better at making money... when their greed is a bigger issue than t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 10:00 PM
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i criticize red pill for not being aware/honest about it's faults/flaws, not that they have faults/flaws. red pill can't help someone who is bad a reading environmental cues if it does not acknowledge that's an issue they have, and have actionable methods to improve that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 09:54 PM
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And men coming to TRP to get straightened out is an admission that they are the problem. By being at TRP, they're acknowledging that the problem is WITH THEM. ha, that argument would have more validity if red pill didn't reinforce the bs argument that red pillers were misled by external factors (society, women)... vs helping them face the reality that they are internally clueless... and need to fix that. social cluelessness is not addressed much, enough on red pill because red pillers are hopele…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 08:19 PM
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I have a daughter and 2 step daughters and it's nigh impossible to get them to admit they had any fault in anything that goes wrong in their lives. what do you call red pill / red pillers saying society misled them about what works (despite the fact that they grew up along men and women dating / hooking up and could have observed what was really going on)? isn't that them not admitting they are the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 08:12 PM
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if I picked ANY culture (sub culture, geographical culture, corporate culture, etc) your saying that a normal individual will adapt to it much faster than someone your saying is socially inept? yes, not sure why that doesn't make sense to you. do you agree that if you know one musical instrument well, it is easier for you to pick up a second? do you agree that if you know one foreign language well it's easier to pick up another?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 10:48 PM
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incorrect by your standards (which by the way are not universal). by there own standards or they wouldn't have needed to resort to red pill. it has been noted for wrongly categorizing those who may suffer from it as a problem that needs to be fixed rather than accommodated. is obesity or antisocial behavior like that? is the solution, accommodation? It also assumes the inherent lack of intelligence, a viewpoint that ignores the widely accepted view of intelligence (i.e. that there are varying ty…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 10:46 PM
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red pillers are the only ones that hold incorrect ideas about how people are/act. they are aliens in their own world, and need/needed red pill to explain that world to them. their alienation is their problem, a problem that is caused by weak social observation ability, a result of an exaggerated identification with their own incorrect thoughts/feelings at the cost of seeing others / the world accurately.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 06:37 PM
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The fact that they have to adapt at all is proof that social adeptness is not innate or universal. i agree, red pillers are born low on that spectrum and need to improve in that area if they want to function well in society. How could you possibly pretend to know what someone from a different culture is thinking/feeling when their social ques/experience/perception of social adeptness is completely different from yours? again, a socially adept person who is better able to read, respond to others …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 06:32 PM
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so why are red pillers so easily lied to? so gullible? and why do they need inconsistencies (which have always existed and will always exist in people) explained to them, do they by nature lack internal discernment capability?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 01:17 PM
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a socially adept person is going to adapt a different set of social rules far quicker than a clueless one, clueless red pill men struggle with the culture they were born in... imagine them in a new culture. red pillers come to red pill to have mating explained to them, that speaks to their cluelessness. i say red pillers would be improved as people by addressing their social observational slowness/dullness... vs. pandering to their need to have things spelled out in simplistic comic book maps (o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 01:16 PM
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social adeptness is only confused with esp level mind reading to those who can't comprehend, relate to being social adept... or someone who simply has poor reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 12:37 AM
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it's red pill's problem. they have the time, need, and motivation to fix it that i don't have. i'm simply here observing they are poorly addressing that problem, presently. my observation/suggestion is they need to explore the mindblindness / poor theory of mind issues of their membership more.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 05:38 PM
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you know ironically red pill does teach red pillers to to address their social clueless, in a terse way, with the often repeated line, observe what women do, not what they say. but, the reason red pillers never observed what the women around them did is never actually explored, or what other deficiencies are involved in having a external environment observational blindness... and other ways to fix that besides "observe what women do". if red pillers didn't notice how women were actually acting i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 05:34 PM
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how has trp helped you become more socially aware / adept?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 12:35 AM
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it's trp's job to address/improve the social ineptness of it's members if it really cares about creating healthier, more attractive men. i just don't understand why they don't do that already.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 12:33 AM
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Nobody is born knowing how everything works that's why we have schools most people need school, that's a function of an advanced society, most people don't need trp or any other type of how to mate/date tutorial.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 12:30 AM
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i don't expect you to know something you don't know by nature or training. wouldn't you find it helpful if trp helped you to improve in this area?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:56 PM
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Because you seem to imply that everything they are doing is wrong. where do i say everything? even if you they were trying to get everything wrong, i doubt their ability to pull that off 100%. so why do you feel the need to continue denigrating these men is calling attention to a socially inept person's socially ineptness denigrating? if they are aware of it and working on it, there is no point in pointing it out, but where are the trp threads where they discuss this? if i think that addressing …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:54 PM
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are you really anti feelings or are you anti other people's feelings? would you really pursue a life path that made the most rational sense to you but made you feel emotionally terrible?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:47 PM
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there are always going to be some outliers and outlier types, that doesn't make them healthy or evolutionarily fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:45 PM
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you mean the problem still exists under the patch? what's the patch?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:44 PM
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look i don't have the issue so i don't know how to help them, i only think it's odd they don't discuss this problem and how to overcome it over at trp as trp is about improving things that make you unattractive... and being socially inept is unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:43 PM
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your sample size is hopefully not large enough for you to categorize clinical psychologists as a group.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:42 PM
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no, trp threads or sidebar articles. you can't expect me to read an entire book to decide whether trp is addressing social ineptness of it's members by recommending it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 06:27 PM
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if you were in charge of society, what would be more important, what improved your quality of life or what improved most people's quality of life?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 06:20 PM
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i'm no pill leaning. where are these trp threads that suggest trp is addressing social ineptness?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 06:10 PM
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i think a certain percentage of red pillers are unattractive covert narcs aspiring to be more attractive overt narcs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 06:09 PM
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can you link one (or more) here that you think addresses the issue i'm citing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 06:07 PM
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does she have any covert narcissistic traits? have you read this - http://www.alanrappoport.com/pdf/Co-Narcissism%20Article.pdf ?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 06:05 PM
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I very much want a few close relationships. how can a overly self centered person have a close relationship with someone? your disinterest/boredom in anything that is not 'you/your-interests', makes you trapped in yourself unable to connect with others (and unappealing for others as well)... unless, maybe, one/some of your core interests involve improving society.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 06:03 PM
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i think it's odd trp cares about self improvement and never or rarely addresses the flaw that necessitates their need for trp, much less has any instruction on how to improve that flaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 05:59 PM
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Luckily I had a kickass mom who shielded us from all of this. why do you think she ended up with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 05:48 PM
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I think they're just simply selfish, immature boys with a sick sense of entitlement and believe they are better/more important than they are. good description, sociopaths/antisocials are merely selfish, narcissists are that plus a sense and/or need to be better than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 05:47 PM
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as far as how these traits are measured, they are best defined as... narcissism is image fixation (need to be impressive/attractive to others) + selfishness machiavellianism is planning preference + selfishness psychopathy is pure selfishness selfishness is about putting your needs before others. this can be in your interests short term, but long term when people find out the kind of person you are (that you don't care about them, or care less about them) there are costs. you are less likely to …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 05:44 PM
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i suggest you start conversations on trp where they start addressing this/these issues and come up with solutions/experiments. i don't really have this problem/need so i can't really help you other than that and maybe to suggest reading up on theory of mind and emotional intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 05:33 PM
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Because frankly I'm not unhappy with how my brain works now. Why should I adjust things about myself I don't dislike for the approval of others? you like that you are inept at observing others to the degree that you didn't understand how mating/attraction worked? sounds like you are being stubborn about your failings. But much of that is really just learning how to "appear" more normal in social situations and that's why trp is reviled. it's a narc/antisocial/aspie guide to appearing a certain w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 05:31 PM
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If someone is high on the spectrum (that is, aspie) what exactly can be done to correct it? In a case like that, a guy simply has to find a way to cope, because there's no way to make him "normal" as compared to the average man. i am inclined to think that something can be done about it. Some people (myself included) simply work MUCH better in environments that are clearly outlined and structured. but why can't you learn to become more perceptive about others and then come up with your own outli…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 04:53 PM
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i just don't understand if trp is concerned with self improvement at all that social/observational/emotional ineptness that caused members to need trp is not addressed, examined, and ideally trp starts to formulate instructions on how to fix that issue. as is, it just seems to be an issue so close/central to trp that they are blind to it being an issue, needing to be fixed... or in denial/too-insecure about it to tackle it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 04:46 PM
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Since when does needed clear explicit instructions mean someone is flawed? when most people can do something with out help and you need help, that makes you special needs. If anything it means they value understanding of the process and accuracy over gut-instinct which has the potential to be wrong. if trp was full of people that already knew how things worked and were there to further understand/improve, i would agree. but that's not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 04:42 PM
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The whole point of TRP is laying bare the kernels of truths which are hidden the whole point of trp is an attempt at explicit instructions for clueless/aspie/sociopath men who can't figure out the world around them through instinct and/or observation (as most are able to). the common contention with trp is the accuracy of those instructions (and for some confusion as to why anyone needs explicit instructions). the blind-sight of trp is never addressing the individual flaws that cause trpers to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:10 PM
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Women treat weakness with contempt. then it seems dangerous that the majority of the sick are in there care.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 08:12 PM
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Yes, women undoubtedly are more selfish and inconsiderate. Look at the threads here and elsewhere to observe how many fucks women give about men, especially low-value men. look at helping/care-taking professions in society, what percentage of those are filled by women? if women are not caring by nature (or at least more caring than men), why would they be drawn to those professions more often?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 05:29 PM
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so your argument is that men are more clueless than man? are women also more selfish/inconsiderate than men or would men behave the same if they were less clueless? more in a position to take advantage?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 04:17 PM
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unless you are arguing that men are more clueless than women, both men and women can be confused and/or led on (intentionally or unintentionally) when they like someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 02:02 PM
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ha, explain every other thumb wielding animal that lacks remotely compareable technology.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:50 PM
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ha, explain every other thumb wielding animal that lacks remotely compareable technology. are you a simple minded lemming?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:50 PM
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Humanity has been doing the same shirt for our existence we don't deviate. we've always had electricity, flat screens, space travel, internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 08:18 PM
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you study the products of the species. humans have endless product/productivity, other species barely register because the lack the cognition to be creative.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 08:16 PM
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Dolphins can be as intelligent but it's kind of hard to study. haha, convenient logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 07:50 PM
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we are just animals and aren't that complex. compared to other animals, humans are far more complex cognitively. how many words/communication-symbols are there in the dialect of the next smartest animal? How much would we acomplish if we didn't have thumbs? Take a human brain place it into a canine how effective would we be? Could we drive then? Could we build bridges? Create societies? non humans with thumbs are not remotely competitive to humans as far as complexity/productivity/creativity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 07:50 PM
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the early christians, gays, racists, and now red pillers...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:58 AM
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mating is just one aspect of evolutionary success, how well those offspring are taken care of also matters a great deal. you think horrible attractive people take care of their offspring well (or even have the means to do that with their antisocial/betraying behavior costing them social benefits)? and if they don't, you think that doesn't affect their offspring's health/development/attractiveness/viability (future mating options/success), and thus the long term viability of their genes?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 03:07 PM
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yeah, that doesn't sound like a pleasant life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 12:10 PM
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Right now, but I plan on getting kids in 3-4 years. what's your motivation for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 04:52 AM
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red pillers i've debated don't seem to understand that always defect is as bad (and evolutionarily unsustainable) as always cooperate, that reciprocity, tit for tat, is the golden mean, what works best.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 04:51 AM
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is there anything on the sidebar that instructs men on how to get better at being more socially aware/observant/perceptive of the world, others? your argument is that red pillers were fed a false narrative? so are you arguing red pillers paid more attention to a particular subjective narrative than observational reality growing up? if so, where on the sidebar does it address red pillers having a particular subjective narrative bias and not paying attention to reality, and thus observing the worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 10:11 PM
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i'm sure most of them at least give enough of a fuck that they hide who they are from others / coworkers so that society does not punish them for their 'race realism'. having to hide who you are is a psychologically/emotionally taxing / unpleasant way to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 03:31 AM
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TRP sells itself as self help That's because it is. so why don't they address the social/observational cluelessness of the members, i.e. whatever abnormality that caused them to not observe reality correctly (because unless they grew up in a cave, they could see who was dating, hooking up with who from a very young age) and need a system like red pill that 'explains' everything to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 09:27 PM
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you mean the hurt the race realist feels at being a social leper.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 09:02 PM
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odd, it doesnt show that for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 09:19 PM
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still there https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/41wbib/thoughts_on_heathcliff_berru/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 03:33 PM
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what was removed?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 04:02 AM
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you were quick to label these exact same people as un-self-aware autistic sociopaths i feel bad/sorry for people like that, those are disabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 03:24 AM
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The real question is why do you care? i feel bad for people who are struggling and red pill in its current form is not helping them with their core issues, social ineptness, blindness, and/or inconsideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 02:37 AM
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The guy who is both physically attractive AND not awkward is better able to read physical ques, It has nothing to do with him sensing/reading someone else's thoughts. first, you are the one confusing social perceptiveness, emotional intelligence with magical psychic skills (although i can understand how that can seem like magic if you are not good at it naturally). second, if reading physical ques is important, why doesn't red pill emphasize improving in that area? where on the sidebar or the su…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 11:41 PM
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they both sound troubled/cringe-worthy. he's too needy/dependent and she's too materialistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 10:53 PM
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what is the difference between a physically attractive guy that is awkward around others and a physically attractive guy that isn't? If you see a woman on the street who hasn't shown any sort of physical reaction to you and hasn't spoken a word to you, how do you gauge her potential interest? no physical reaction generally equals no interest. how do you react/act when there is someone you are attracted to in your vicinity? what are some ques (that cannot be misinterpreted) she might give out to …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 10:43 PM
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have you ever read anything on emotional intelligence? theory of mind? mindblindness? Your own bias pollutes any interpretation that you may come to in regards to the emotions of others which impairs the accuracy of the interpretation itself. this is a part of mindblindness, some people are stuck in their head/emotions, most are able to think/observe/intuit the perspective and feelings of others enabling them to behave in a socially perceptive way. no one is 100% perfect, but most are pretty goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 08:31 PM
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so you at least agree internal desire can be changed based on external manipulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 08:28 PM
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positive reinforcement is not the only effective behavioral mod technique, negative reinforcement (punishment) works too, as do other techniques like random reinforcement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 02:17 PM
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As you said, the only types of behaviors that will last are ones that are done out of the desire to do them, not out of obligation or pressure. behavioral conditioning, advertising techniques suggest otherwise. diamonds, women smoking cigarettes, home baking were all a result of external pressure/manipulation. and they thrive now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 02:15 PM
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are addiction interventions selfish? is the problem that people in the addicts life are not giving them the support / stepping stone they need?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 02:13 PM
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So tell me, what's it like to have psychic power? The ability to read a persons thoughts and/or feelings with perfect accuracy? it's a spectrum like most things, average people are pretty good, below average people are clueless, often so clueless that don't even realize it's an issue that needs to be address. (look at you, you think social intelligence is like magic, that's how foreign a concept it is too you.). the latter are the type that populate red pill, seduction circles. most men don't ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 02:03 PM
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beyond the fact the perceptive people can better pick up on who likes them and who doesn't, avoiding wasting time / confusion, perceptive people are more attractive than unperceptive people. most people don't like awkward autists or self absorbed narcissists or inconsiderate sociopaths. you are not going to be successful in relationships with women or anyone else if you not good at reading/considering others feelings/thoughts. if you are good at reading the feelings/thoughts of a woman, how coul…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 04:48 AM
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you have no solution for the issues facing these young men my solution is for them to become aware of their inability to read and/or care about others thoughts/feelings (often resulting from their over identification with their own thoughts/feelings), understand that is a big problem, and start working on improving it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 03:06 AM
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going to jail for the rest of your life is alpha?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 01:05 AM
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just wondering whether you follow the "Whatever you work to achieve, you will work to keep as well" credo when faced with a female you like that dumps you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 12:04 AM
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If it were so easy there wouldn't be a seduction community (or industry) that thrives on selling products to men trying to figure out what attracts women. It's not as easy as you would have us believe that market does not cater to neurotypicals, i.e. normal people don't seek out, populate the seduction community/industry. it's full of special needs cases. I am not and I do not identify as such. that doesn't mean you are not. why do you think most men don't need, resort to the seduction community…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 12:02 AM
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Whatever you work to achieve, you will work to keep as well. so if a girl you are with dumps you, you will work to get her back?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 05:26 PM
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You make it seem like this is extremely easy task when its not. it is easy for neurotypicals that have had some experience interacting with the opposite sex. if you have had at least one significant romantic relationship and you still suck at reading/considering the opposite sex's mindset/feelings, i would bet you are on the autism or sociopath spectrum. i understand it's not easy for autistics or ish types, and that sociopaths have trouble caring (more than they do being perceptive)... but that…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 05:16 PM
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attractive people are more likely to be liked by more people... but because this doesn't mean 100% of people will like them, an autistic or sociopath attractive male still is at higher risk for a bad reputation or rape conviction because they don't process/consider other people's feelings/desires as well as they process their own. to the degree red pillers care about self improvement this is a flaw they should be working on if they have it (if they actually care about improving the quality of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 03:43 PM
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ha, you think anger/bitterness is a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:37 PM
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why are you so angry/bitter?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 05:17 AM
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no one is attractive to everyone, so no matter how attractive you are/become, you still have to be socially/other perceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 05:14 AM
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there's no risk if you avoid women that don't actually like you... which for autistic and/or sociopathic men means getting better at picking up on, taking the interest/desires of others into consideration. considering red pillers need directions on how to get women, they clearly struggle understanding others historically. the most awesome directions/explanation on how to get women is not a substitute for improving your people reading/considering skills which many red pillers struggle with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:00 AM
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if he did this in his private life and it came to light (and more and more in this connected world, it likely will), he would face the same social/professional backlash. the lesson here is don't be autistic and/or sociopathic. this guy either can't read whether people like him, or doesn't care. either can easily result in social banishment if not prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:41 AM
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sounds like you really drink the red pill koolaid to the letter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:43 PM
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seems more like FAIL/CREEP
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:38 PM
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aggressive and forward are only good if the girl likes you. this guy failed to take (and or was incapable of taking) that into consideration. considering how many clueless men red pill attracts, advising their followers to be more intelligent about whether your target likes you seems quite important.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:37 PM
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Not really. TRP doesn't talk much about public masturbation, skee-ball strategy, or proper tire inflation either. does red pill have a position on whether or not it's good to be aggressive with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:30 PM
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the guy admits to crossing the line. are you defending him because you are clueless of that or you think the world should be more tolerant of unwanted sexual aggression. do you have recordings of your domicile?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:27 PM
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if they are over 22 or this isn't their first serious relationship break up, yes, i would say they are on the abnormal end of the emotional stability and emotional intelligence spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 05:57 PM
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The results of your comments aren't worth replying to because you're being dramatic and ridiculous. says the guy who thinks "Imagine what it would be like if your mom or dad died. That's what it's like to go through a divorce." i understand it being hard to get over someone not wanting to be with you when you are a teenager/emotionally-immature, but once you grow up emotionally past that point if someone doesn't want to be with you, that should not be hard to accept/take. if you have kids, that …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 05:01 PM
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Imagine what it would be like if your mom or dad died. That's what it's like to go through a divorce. so in the event of a divorce you view your wife as your mom or dad dying? even though she was never your mom or dad (nor you her child), and she is still alive. if you actually care about the happiness of other human beings, or someone you claim to love, and they are going to be happier without you, why would you have a problem with that, why would you view that as a parental death? i understand…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 03:56 PM
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what's the difference between a divorce and a relationship breakup?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 06:47 AM
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relationship breakups are a part of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 06:33 AM
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or i'm not codependent / emotionally fragile. and how healthy can a relationship even be if one or both of the members view the ending of that relationship as comparable to being shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 06:18 AM
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if you think divorce is the same as getting shot in the head you are very emotionally fragile.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 06:00 AM
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if 50% of marriages don't end in divorce, that's a lot of marriages that make it. much better odds than starting a business.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 05:44 AM
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what's the point of complaining that women are disloyal if men are as bad or worse. seems like it's not a gender debate, except maybe for why men are maybe even less loyal, but a human nature issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 12:39 AM
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the link i posted suggested they are worse than women when it comes to loyalty when faced with a sick partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/16 11:44 PM
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its about men dumping wives that get sick (at a 6/7x rate than vice versa) suggesting they only value women if they have utility to them... implying they are incapable of real love/concern/compassion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/16 10:49 PM
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unsurprisingly serious illness is one of the reasons men initiate divorce / leave significant others - http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/men-more-likely-to-leave-spouse-with-cancer/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/16 03:58 PM
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No but it increases the likelihood of success. maybe, but it definitely increases the likelihood of delinquency, people who prioritize sex apparently are the lowest common denominator.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 05:43 PM
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mating effort does not necessarily equal mating success. "Mating effort is defined as ‘‘energy expenditure allocated to locating, courting, and sexually interacting with individuals of the preferred sex and age’’ (Lalumie`re & Quinsey, 1996, p. 34)."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 05:25 PM
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I'm talking about a "strict" patriarchy i.e. the patriarchy that is still in place in many parts of India, the patriarchy in place in ISIS, and other parts of the east, such as Afghanistan. so if you prefer that, why don't you move to those places?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 02:04 PM
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so what does it say about him that he admitted to procuring drugs with the intention to drug girls so they would have sex with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 01:49 AM
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so if he raped some of them and some are lying, what's the bigger injustice to focus on? is lying about a rapist raping you worse than a rapist raping someone? and if it isn't, why are you focusing on that more? He only said to give it to one woman. and what does that say about him? Also numbers just don't add up. It says he only had 7 of them, but there're 25+ women claiming rape. do you expect him to admit to 100% of everything he's done? why does a guy who has admitted drugging at least one w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 01:02 AM
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are you aware of this info - http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/07/us/bill-cosby-quaaludes-sexual-assault-allegations/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 12:10 AM
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do you understand anything about oxytocin and it's effect on pair bonding, consideration of others? http://www.cgu.edu/pages/4546.asp?item=3556
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 06:27 AM
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are you more physically/sexually attracted to women with higher status? more talent? more intelligence? what do you think is the most important way to make women desire you more physically/sexually?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 05:38 AM
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No actually I've never had that happen to me in my personal relationship, its mainly observation then your concerns/fears are odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 05:25 AM
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Like I said, no doubt female productivity has increased since feminism but that doesn't change the underlying issue. if the point of feminism is to freeload off men, why would female productivity increase with the advent of feminism? Women tend to do things only if it is favorable to their image. was you mother like this? caring about image is a gender neutral personality trait, some men/women care a lot, some men/women care very little. red pill teaches you to care more about your image, does t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 04:52 AM
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Its just human nature. Hell, I think feminists are repulsive in general but if I slept with the one of those high status feminists with power? You can bet you're ass I'd tell my friends about it regardless how ugly she may or may not be. ha, not every one is like you, the same. if they were, you would feel way more connected to the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 04:46 AM
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i don't, i just want people to realize u can be attractive and still read red pill. if you don't, then you should be fine with people thinking whatever about red pill. hell, eminem is red pill as fuck but people love him because of his status i think people that love him (and many don't), love his musical ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 04:45 AM
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i really feel like i should post a pic sometime so people would stop strawmanning red pill readers as unattractive. why do you care about what people think of red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:59 AM
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The amount of female accomplishments is low in comparison to that of a man, even in just the last 20-30 years. notable accomplishments are achieved by such a small percentage of the population that this isn't a very good argument of the average male vs the average female. further, male intelligence (and possibly other traits) has(/have) a wider standard deviation, i.e. there are more mentally disabled men, very low iq men, than women... and more high iq men than women. your original argument is …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:49 AM
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what widespread/common feminist behavior (action) supports your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:30 AM
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I don't even wanna open this can of worms. I don't think we'll ever know the truth about this one or not. I suspect Bill Cosby had consensual sex with a lot of them but they just claimed rape later for the fame. are you aware of this info - http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/07/us/bill-cosby-quaaludes-sexual-assault-allegations/ Like I said, women will fuck you for your status. most women will not if they don't find you physically attractive as judah and cosby attest. the minority that will are doing it…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:28 AM
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Its more along the lines of "i'm going to pursuit my own interests and one day a man will provide the most of the money and hopefully get my life in order." can you link to any popular feminist articles that say that? if not, what's the substance/basis of your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 02:36 AM
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Idk if thats completely true. Shit, doesn't the Blue Pill always harp on how "intelligence" and certain personality shit is sexually attractive? idk, maybe they think they are essential qualities that need to exist beyond physical attraction. Just saying that while they may not find you as physically attractive as a greek god, women will sleep with you because of your status/fame. then why did cosby have to drug women? why did these women not want anything physically to do with judah other than …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 02:32 AM
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we start out dependent fetuses on a mother, then dependent children to parents. so the issue is most people's default nature is dependence, they never develop independence. if you never develop emotional independence, a relationship ending has a similar effect to parental abandonment.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:28 AM
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non physical attractiveness (humor, talent, fame, wealth) does not translate to sexual/romantic attractiveness - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtlG9qPH8Ds&feature=youtu.be&t=4m37s
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 12:33 AM
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by that logic men should also have less partners to avoid spreading those reproductively harmful diseases. are you for that as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 08:09 AM
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You're implying causation, though, that's just not there. rationally speaking you can't say it's not there either. correlation suggests, at least, that it could be.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 05:55 PM
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Many of the most successful managers today had extremely moderate playing careers. to even have had a playing career at all puts you in the top what percentile?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 11:02 PM
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so, half of all men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 12:13 PM
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I have heard from trusted sources that Courtney Love is highly, HIGHLY suspected by Pat Smear and the other Nirvana members of having orchestrated Kurt's, my inspiration above all other musicians, untimely death. what's your take on 9/11?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 09:50 PM
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ha, awhile back one red piller did admit he was going to off himself when he started to get less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 01:03 AM
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so your thesis is most females would trade up IF they could and most males would have a harem IF they could?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 11:30 PM
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i don't have a gf currently so i can't honestly answer that. but are you saying most men would not move up to kate upton from their 8 gfs if given the opportunity? or what percentage do you think would?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 11:12 PM
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i only used 'in every way' because that's the phrasing you agreed with / quoted. but to make things easier, lets say attractiveness in the eyes of women since if you think you are as attractive as ever and women don't then it's really meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 10:50 PM
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it's a terrible idea if there is a 20yr age gap, a small age gap has a far lower divorce risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 09:47 PM
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It doesn't really worry me too much because post wall girls probably don't look too bad to a 40 year old dude. you really think your standards for attractiveness age?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 09:36 PM
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so everyone does the same quality of work provided they are paid the same? are there some jobs that required the same work hours, energy level and paid the same, that you would prefer and do better at because of your particular preferences?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 09:34 PM
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One of the benefits of being an RP man is that if I decide in twenty years I want a family, I can marry a woman in her mid/late twenties-early thirties and do that. and be 100%+ more likely to be divorced http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/why-to-marry-someone-your-own-age/382520/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 09:29 PM
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would you be more likely to put a sick relative in the care of male nurse or a female nurse, knowing nothing else besides their gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 09:06 PM
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the majority of social workers, nurses, and other care workers would suggest otherwise. it's men that are worse at caretaking professions actually. although i wouldn't even say men generally don't care whether others live or die. i think this is all about you projecting your own misanthropic perspective and/or subjective experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 08:55 PM
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it has to do with how humans are if men and women are both like that and thus obsessing over gender makes no sense. makes perfect sense that men and women should not care about the sexual desires of men and women they don't want to have sex with. doesn't mean they don't care about them as coworkers, neighbors, relatives, or in whatever capacity they are actually connected.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 08:52 PM
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which suggests you live in fantasy land / denial land.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 08:48 PM
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your 'answer' is a denial of your decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 08:24 PM
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so your argument is women are as horrible as men, ha. You should know by now: "Men Do It Too!" doesn't fly with me. just because that post makes sense in your head, doesn't mean it makes sense. if men and women are similarly shitty in regards to something, then it's a human flaw, not a gender one, and that is relevant at least in categorizing whether the person obsessing over the flaw/failing is a misandrist, a misogynist, or simply hates everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 08:23 PM
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She doesn't see most men as sexual beings, with wants, needs, hopes and dreams of their own, and as wanting and needing sex. so you see most women as sexual beings, with wants, needs, hopes and dreams of their own, and as wanting and needing sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 08:14 PM
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why is it difficult for you to address the realistic decline you will eventually face, if you have not started that already?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 07:46 PM
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a coffin = denial
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 07:26 PM
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so this is a topic you don't want to think about then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 07:13 PM
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so once you start your individual decline it will become about being better than average for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 07:12 PM
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How many people do you know even know how to achieve their full potential in their twenties? caring about reaching your potential doesn't make you able to turn back the physiological clock much. the more below average you used to be, the more you can improve relative to yourself, but you are not going to peak over 20 year old men in strength in speed or the hypothetical 20 yr old version of yourself that was doing things correctly then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 06:45 PM
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so at what age will you be willing to admit that you won't be better in every way than you were the previous year? and what do you think about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 06:40 PM
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maybe, maybe not. You don't know. It's data based off of top athletes, like you just said. no, the other data i posted was based off that. Factors like mental maturity, dedication to fitness, healthy eating, access to better resources etc. Alot of it comes down to maturity. I know I am fitter than I have ever been, I am 27, and I am much stronger than I was when I was 22. all the data i posted showed mid 20s as a peak, so your experience is not contradictory to that. are you resistant to the ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 06:31 PM
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so first of all the cooper institute aerobics research data is likely a normative sample which means the average 30s male is less fit than the average 20s male. further, here's us military data that shows the same downward fitness trend in 30s males vs 20s males, refer to page 21 to 25 http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a274547.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 06:16 PM
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Your "data" of lowering fitness standards for police officers is dubious. first its not a lowering of fitness standards, it's actual lower performance scores on an actual fitness test taken by men in their 20s and 30s applying for one of the more common jobs in america. the data just happens to mimic the decline in top athletes, which also mimics the decline in chess players (so there is a mental decline in the 30s too).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 06:08 PM
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maybe you could actually produce any data that shows any group of men in their 30s that are more fit than a comparable group of men in their 20s instead of trying to rationalize what you 'believe' to be true. i don't doubt outliers/exceptions exist, but i highly doubt you can produce any group or subgroup of 30 year olds that is more fit than a comparable group of 20 year olds. but, if you can show me actual data that supports your view, please post it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 05:54 PM
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i guess i'm a hypergamous male, would rather have kate upton, have no interest in 6s.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 05:51 PM
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how is a police officer physically different from the average guy? http://time.com/3637967/police-officers-fattest-profession-study/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 05:44 PM
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You're comparing the general population to elite athletes and professionals. police officers are one of the more common professions, and one of the more obese ones actually. so, the cop data i included is relevant to the average guy and thus does apply. if you have any data to support your mid 30s peak, please post it or maybe reconsider your evidence unsupported views.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 05:34 PM
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I constantly self improve at what age do you think this will not be true anymore and how do you feel about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 05:13 PM
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Many men do not reach maturity to take care of their bodies until their late twenties or thirties. i've already established strong evidence that high caliber athletes (reflecting the high end male) and police officers (reflecting the average male) both conform to the pattern of mid twenties peak. so if your peak is in the 30s than you are exception. I'd guess an average peak of 30 to 35 is likeliest. not according to any data i've ever seen and have posted. but your view does match the red pill …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 04:29 PM
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i don't think you are interested in serious debate, but if you are don't post canned imgurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 04:23 PM
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Why argue with someone who is debating like a 4channer. If you really care about debate post the actual studies. If you dont, keep posting images like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 02:04 AM
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Its not a bad thing, its just a reality that crystalized intelligence does not start declining like speed, strength, and even fluid intelligence which is why qbs can last longer in sports than most athletes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 02:02 AM
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posting a 4chan style imgur pic is not going to attract debate, much less convince anyone who doesn't drink you particular brand of koolaid, it just makes you look inane, lazy, and partisan. and you've yet to say anything to suggest otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 01:11 AM
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That is true, which is why you have to aim to be a well rounded athlete, like a quarterback or more like an athlete whose experience/knowledge is more important than strength/speed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 01:05 AM
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i think if you looked at the average of all men fitness-wise, you would see a similar pattern (this ny trooper fitness test data is evidence of that - http://www.nytrooper.com/fitness_levels.cfm). if you are better athlete in your 30s it speaks to you being an exception and/or how bad of an athlete you were in your 20s. this idea that most men are better athletes in their 30s than 20s is ridiculous and just affirms wishful red pill delusions about men peaking in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 01:05 AM
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Plus, of all the guys I know, they are at their best shape in their 30s. Hell, I am twice as strong and fast as I was in my twenties. "For nearly every major sport, the age of peak performance is in the range of 22-30" - http://www.axonpotential.com/athletes-and-age-of-peak-performance/ http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/07/25/peak-age-for-athletes_n_1699631.html http://speedendurance.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Best-sprint-times-for-100m-10-top-sprinters-by-age.jpg http://www.sportingintellig…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 12:40 AM
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well it doesn't make you come off as someone that is as knowledgeable on the topic as you claim. if you actually are open to debating the topic, posting a canned imgur image is not the way to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 11:14 PM
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Much more than I care to admit. then why not quote the actual studies and include links to the studies so people can examine and discuss them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 02:23 PM
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do you think men are more or less likely to report it if they have been sexually abused?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 06:41 AM
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how much time have you spent verifying the data/claims of that screenshot? did you read the full studies they came from? have you read other studies that contradict them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 06:19 AM
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i don't have children so i can't really answer that with any certainty. i would certainly rather have a large financial penalty than experience physical rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 11:56 PM
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i wasn't ever writing a thesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 11:54 PM
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would you rather be raped by a male or divorced by a female?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 11:50 PM
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how much money would i have to pay you to let a male rape you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 08:01 PM
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would you rather be raped by a male or divorced by a female?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 08:01 PM
-3

would you rather be raped by a male or divorced by a female?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 07:59 PM
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would you rather be raped by a man or divorced by a female?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 07:59 PM
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how many death threats?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 08:59 AM
0

the placebo effect describes a working effect based on belief not on actual substance. a confident red piller / nonsense believer is more attractive to women than a less confident xyz practitioner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 08:53 AM
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my implication is being sufficiently confident in anything that you think will make women attracted to you will render you more attractive than being less confident in anything...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 08:52 AM
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Here, we are not dealing with "the patient's condition". Rather, we are dealing with how third parties react to the patient once he takes the red pill. have you ever heard the phrase the best liars believe their own lies? the same reasoning applies here. if you believe you can get women by xyz means, women are more likely to buy into you more because of your belief than xyz means. believing red pill can get you women does make you more confident, if you really believe it, think the red pill plac…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:16 PM
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Trust me that's the basis for the placebo effect, to trust/believe what you are saying is true regardless of whether it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 04:20 PM
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the placebo effect is not discussed here enough - if you were uncertain of your old method and more certain of red pill, the difference could be the new underlying certainty (this sugar pill works) not your new method/approach. also if you exercise now and did not before, that could explain the whole difference (as exercise yields internal and external changes/returns).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 03:57 PM
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hypersensitivity to oneself (or things related/relate-able to oneself) while being hyper-insensitive to others is a typical narc/selfish-adolescent trait. that's why when it comes to rape red pillers seem to only really care about false rape accusations, because that could actually effect them. being physically raped is not relate-able and thus of little to no concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 04:32 AM
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Say someone looooves to drink and has had a few DUIs. If you go out and have a few beers with them, knowing that their personal choices might burn them later as a result, should you be responsible if they get pulled over drunk and go to jail? Or is it ultimately their choice to drive drunk and therefore their responsibility to handle the consequences? let's say they wreck and you knew they were drunk and planning to drive, and you provided them drinks. you would be at very least civilly liable i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 11:44 PM
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because he knew she was pro-life to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 10:42 PM
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so if you impregnate a pro life female you shouldn't have any responsibility? you are arguing men should have zero parental responsibility? females should have all the responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 08:17 PM
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you mean repopulaters.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 08:14 PM
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because we live in society and thus are connected to the fate of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 07:33 PM
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Why not have the altruists (because we have so many of them) pay for it themselves? and if/when they don't? or maybe they prefer the government to do that for them, hence voting in candidates who enact/continue social welfare programs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 07:31 PM
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so if you impregnate a female you know is pro life, you should have no responsibility? Giving a single pregnant woman the choice of abortion, adoption, or pay for it herself. i know you wish for that world but seeing how no western country works like that, not sure why you are holding out for that fantasy. why not move to a country that does operate like that if you feel strongly enough about it. do you think maybe there is a link between expectation of social responsibility and better living co…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 07:29 PM
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You know there is more than two options and no one is arguing that fathers should not help raise their kids. yes, many red pillers on this thread said a father should not have to have anything to do with an unwanted child. You literally cannot imagine a world where women are responsible for their choices without the help of the government. Unreal. that's your unreal reading, this is about who helps out with the responsibility deficit that single mothers, many of whom work, experience (who have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 07:26 PM
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You're focused on an axis with "purely gov't support" on one end and "purely forced parental support" on the other end. This axis assumes 100% support for the child. no, obviously the mother bears some responsibility as well. further, you could argue men need some responsibility but not as much as is currently expected. but the whole men should have zero responsibility, and society should have zero responsibility is not realistic EVEN if it was objectively best.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 07:20 PM
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what western society lives by the standard you are proposing? if none, why realistically do you think any will suddenly adopt your preferred standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 07:17 PM
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if the condom breaks and the girl is pro life, what then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 07:16 PM
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i think western countries don't tolerate starving children or no health care to children. whether they should is another topic altogether. the question is, in whatever shortfall biological mothers experience, should biological fathers pay more or society (i.e. every tax payer)? because based on current western cultural operation, it's going to be one or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 07:07 PM
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If everyone is supposed to pay for their own group, it's women who will be left in the cold. ha, where did i argue that everyone should pay for their own group... except maybe the group of humans should pay for humans. and were you even aware that far more men have developmental / neurological disabilities?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 07:03 PM
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what western countries have no support for unwanted children? because that's the most commonly advocated red pill position on this thread. and that's why i am painting that position as unrealistic, because support for unwanted children is the norm/reality in western countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 07:01 PM
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society does what it wants with your money and you get things in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 05:38 PM
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http://www.learnnc.org/lp/pages/6817
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 05:38 PM
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what western country has no parental or government support for unwanted children?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 05:18 PM
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i'm asking for realistic policy preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 05:04 PM
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none of them are starving. Most of them are men though so you probably don't care. what do you do for these men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 05:03 PM
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I think a condition of continuing state support should be mandatory birth control, preferably in the form of the implant. It certainly shouldn't be automatic. current christian america would never go for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 05:02 PM
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what western country gives no support to unwanted children?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 05:01 PM
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Health care is a completely separate issue. One can be in favor of a public healthcare system without being in favor of every form of public welfare. Child support is public welfare and is not the same as a public health system. so you support free healthcare for children?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:59 PM
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the math paints a very clear picture that the NYY approach makes good financial sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:58 PM
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so you laughed when he was no longer in pain or while he was still in pain?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:57 PM
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what about healthcare?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:56 PM
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I'd rather have the state offer every woman unlimited free birth control (including abortions) and then give them zero public support if they unilaterally decide to have a child the father does not want. so no assistance at all, not even health care? where do you think this would ever happen? and if the answer is no where, why are you suggesting it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:20 PM
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not offended, just trying to keep this debate within the realm of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:18 PM
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working mothers still rely on gov't assistance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:17 PM
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the reality is that if paternal support is removed, the government, i.e. everyone else, is going to pay more to support other men's children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:17 PM
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the guy doing that is not normal. you laughing at a guy in severe pain is not normal either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:12 PM
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your math and math reasoning are off. 27/109 = .2477, so that's almost exactly 1/4 11/109 = .1000 25% is 150% better odds than 10% (not 15% better odds) so it sounds like the NYY 90% higher salary (and that's just recently) is not only worth it but a value for the returns. do you want to reconsider your 'no financial sense' claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:06 PM
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have you been told you are childish a lot in your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:44 PM
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Anyway, I don't know what the "average red piller" is. We come in all sorts. But I'm a little older -- mid 30s. And married with a child, upper middle class job, home in the suburbs. You get the picture. Pre-TRP, a boring white-bread existence, henpecked sexless marriage -- my life could have been a sit-com. It was literally a trope. I guess being pretty well-educated, a father, and not too young, angsty, and sex-crazed makes me come across as more reasonable. But I don't know how I compare to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:43 PM
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haha, do you pay all your taxes? how is putting you in federal prison (which are very safe in general) violence?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:39 PM
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reasonable points. question, do you think you are more or less reasonable than your average red piller? why do you think that is? I think you'd be hard pressed to find anybody who thinks that supporting a child should be 100% the woman's deal and that all child support should be abolished. have you read most of the red pill comments in this thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:32 PM
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do you understand that the social contract means you agree to do xyz (regardless of whether you agree with it), and you get xyz benefit? are you living in the country/culture that best supports your views? if not, why don't you move there?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:27 PM
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are you denying the reality that if paternal support was removed, the gov't would end up paying more money, which means you (i and everyone else) supporting other men's unwanted children?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:24 PM
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this thread shows how irrational/thoughtless/delusional red pillers are, they don't want to get stuck paying for a kid they don't want BUT if paternal responsibility was actually removed, it would just mean them (and everyone else) paying for more men's unwanted kids which they also oppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:22 PM
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what would you feel for a grownup that had put their hand on hot stove and stood next to you in pain?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:16 PM
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i love how red pill confuses logic with what/how they think. gov't and parental support are by far the two biggest sources for the support of children, and the two most relevant to this debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:14 PM
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because that's the current govt/cultural reality. if you pay taxes, you are already subsidizing unwanted children. if paternal support laws were stricken, that subsidy would increase, and even more of your money would go to support other men's children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:12 PM
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where am i being inconsistent? evidence? But this is why people don't take you seriously. since you value what people think, mainstream society considering red pill to be a joke / crazy has merit then.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:10 PM
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your tax dollars are already going to them, if paternal support laws were stricken, even more of your tax dollars would go to supporting other men's unwanted children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:08 PM
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how are you oppressed exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:07 PM
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yes, because gov't support and parental support are in place to prevent that. if fathers were removed of parental support obligations, current cultural standards would not allow for children to starve, thus more gov't money (tax money, our money) would cover that. to support removal of paternal responsibility, realistically, means supporting a greater tax burden / responsibility towards other men's unwanted children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:06 PM
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this thread is about reality not shoulds.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:03 PM
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significantly more men than women are mentally disabled, i'm fine with them receiving gov't support. are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:02 PM
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head on over to /r/eugenics my friend
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:01 PM
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so your solution is donation drives, no father or state responsibility. ha, ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:00 PM
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in american we don't let kids starve or not get medical care and someone has to pay for that. if fathers want zero responsibility for that, it just means the state (all of us) have to pay for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:58 PM
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the current system is mostly state and parent support pay for unwanted children. a slight change to make it more state or more parent responsibility is realistic. no state or parent support, let children starve is not reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:57 PM
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are you currently living in the times before FDR? if you are, i think you live in a fantasy land.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:55 PM
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are you capable of feeling pity?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:54 PM
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why don't you cast this unfair society aside, and become a mountain man in the hinterland?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:53 PM
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regardless of what i think, in current american society we don't let people starve. so if fathers had zero responsibility, that would just mean more government responsibility... which means more taxes to the general population to support unwanted children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:52 PM
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thanks for your fantasy-land answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:32 PM
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I got u, I got u good yes, i agree you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:32 PM
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ha, ok, tell us the realistic measures you are working on to make your fantasy a reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:30 PM
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ha, based on what. and how is yours not inconsistent? do you think a male should have zero responsibility if they sire a child?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:28 PM
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my point is changing/altering current laws such that there is greater or less state or parental support is realistic, forbidding women from having kids is not realistic. or do you actually think it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:27 PM
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that's a topic for another thread. i'm trying to keep this within the reality of current culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:25 PM
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and one that apparently you have little to say about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:24 PM
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well, go start a fantasy libertarian thread about that. this thread is about choosing between two actual realistic options.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:23 PM
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ha, so male sexual needs are somehow on the same level as an unwanted child's need for food and medical care?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:22 PM
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If a woman is pregnant and the father doesn't want the baby, then no one (the father or the state) should be under any obligation to fund her decision to have the baby. again, go start a fantasy thread about how you want society to work. but in christian american culture, anyone can have a kid, and any support deficit that occurs (that the mother can't cover) is taken up by the state and biological father. if you support removing the biological parent support responsibility, that means more stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:21 PM
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your answer doesn't fit the reality of current laws, culture. if you want to create a fantasy thread about how things should be, go ahead, but this thread is what you support based on current cultural/legal reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:13 PM
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i'm the one that understands how reality works (whether i like it or not), you are the one whose denial is blinding.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:11 PM
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i just understand reality. even if i was against state support for children, i not so delusional to think that means anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:10 PM
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i doubt he is a multinational corporation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:09 PM
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i'm fine with some constructive victim blaming for men and women. women have some burden to be safe, protect themselves, men have some burden to pay for children they sire. what about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:08 PM
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that option is included in that thread, greater state support for children, which means higher taxes (non parents bearing the cost of those unwanted children). i'm for whatever benefits society (which i would guess is a balance of state and parental responsibility), but i'm mostly interested in other people's view on this topic since the red pill desire to have no parental responsibility means a higher tax burden on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:06 PM
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your answer is a fantasy answer. by current law (and xtian culture, at least in the US) anyone can have a kid, and the state and parental support laws cover the costs of those kids. remove parental support laws and it's just the state, which means higher taxes for you and me. this thread isn't about shoulds/fantasy, it's about the reality of current american society. if removing parental support meant higher taxes (which it inevitably would), would you support that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:02 PM
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in fantasy scenarios there are endless options, based on current reality which you seem to be blind to, removal of parental support obligations means you pay more taxes to support unwanted children. if you think otherwise, please describe an alternative realistic scenario, not a libertarian fantasy one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:59 PM
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Funny how you only see solutions that fail to place responsibility on the mother. so if the mother works and still can't cover all expenses, who do you think covers those? How about we save the tax dollars and give potential single moms an incentive to only have a child if she can support it? That's killing two birds with one stone. that's a debate for another thread because it's unrealistic based on current laws. if the biological father has no support obligation, society's tax burden increases…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:57 PM
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i pay for mentally handicapped men who far outnumber mentally handicapped women, and they don't do much for society. childbirth actually is essential for society unless you know something everyone else doesn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:52 PM
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that's not how society works. unwanted children cost you and me money, unless you don't pay taxes (either because you make no money or are a criminal).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:50 PM
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so you are against victim blaming? or you are only against it if the victim is male?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:49 PM
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no, it's obvious they are going to be investing in raising the kid with or without the biological father's support. unwanted children cost the state money, so men and women are going to be paying in taxes to cover those costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:48 PM
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If he declines then he gets no rights but no obligations either. and you get higher taxes supporting his kid. you cool with that? removing all liability from men to avoid unwanted childbirth?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:42 PM
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so you've never had sex with a pro life female? have you asked every female you've had sex with on whether she is pro life before sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:40 PM
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Stop telling men that it's wrong to trust their GF. what if the pregnancy happens through no fault of the GF and the guy knew she was pro life. does he still have no liability to support that child? this will mean higher taxes on you to support every unwanted child in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:38 PM
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what motivation do men have to practice contraception if they have zero liability? do you see how it could be bad for society to remove all liability for men for getting women pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:36 PM
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how would this unwanted situation have occurred had the male not taken precautions? it's not as if men are unaware of the current parental support laws either. are you aware that if you accidentally get a female pregnant and she has it, you are on the hook for parental support? if so, is that a situation that you really have to worry about getting in or is it easy to avoid by the options i mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:30 PM
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what's more important, what's best for society or what's best for the biological dad, biological mom, or biological kid? if parental support is bad for dads but good for society, are you still against parental support?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:27 PM
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I would disagree. While they have won more pennants than any other team, they consistently have the best talent, and have made it to fewer than HALF of the world series (40 of 109) and only win (when they do make it) 2/3 of the time. The best individual talent assmebled into a team is only capable of championing ~20% of the time? That doesn't support your assumption. between a 1/3 and 1/2 the time they are one of the two best teams. and 2/3 of those times they are the best team? you think those …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:24 PM
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I've known a few women like that, and one of my ex girlfriends tried to get knocked up several times just so she could rope me in for life. and you stayed with her after the first time? why?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:10 PM
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so women should never get child support unless the father voluntary gives it? if the father wants the kid for a year and pays child support but then decides later he no longer wants anything to do with it, what then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:08 PM
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What's the alternative if someone wants to stick you with child support payments for a baby you never wanted? Just sit back and write off your finances for the next 20 years? lots of options here... a vasectomy, vigilant condom use, better partner selection
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:06 PM
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the new york yankees are consistently one of the best teams (and more often the best team than most). i would argue that's because of better individual talent. do you disagree with that? the reason men are chosen over women isn't talent, but in order to make a more cohesive team. you mean you know this (if so where is the evidence), or you speculate this 'may' be true?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:02 PM
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noted. those teams are better, win more, than less individually talented teams on average. so while the greater talent doesn't guarantee being the very best, it does deliver better results than most less individually talented squads. so to take that as an example of why having lots of talented individuals is not a good thing, is not a good argument. by the logic of your analogy orchestras with more females will be better, but they may not always be the best (even though they have better odds of …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:57 AM
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high partner count is descriptive, slut is a common slur. red pillers use slurs like anyone else, to belittle, to vent, to try to hurt. as the original red piller said, name calling is weak behavior. he's just unwilling to admit red pillers have a problem with it... which speaks to his own denial and/or lack of awareness. you seem to have the same issue. lots of red pill ideas could be described with non derogatory descriptive language. most red pillers don't do that and that makes red pill look…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 12:05 AM
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unless you refer to jews with the k word, blacks with the n word, etc. your descriptive purpose argument is ludicrous/senseless. words commonly used as slurs don't magically only serve descriptive purposes because you say so, or want that to be the case, or are in denial about why you use the word and/or how most people understand it. you/red pillers can't in good faith call name calling weak unless you/they can admit that weakness is also common in red pill. unless you are willing to do that, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 11:46 PM
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his argument was name calling is weak, i never changed it, just highlighted red pill's issue with that weakness. unless you think the k-word and jew, n-word and black are the same thing, stop pretending common red pill female slurs are purely used to serve a descriptive purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 11:29 PM
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matter of fact statements involve facts, factual terminology not emotion laden slurs. if you are too unaware to know why racists use the n word, antisemites use the k word, or misogynists/red-pillers (and maybe you too) use the b, s, and w words, i don't think i can make you understand. his point is name calling is weak, and my point is red pillers tend to have that weakness. if you want to hypocritically defend/rationalize red pill name calling, feel free to keep doing that, it just undermines …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 10:46 PM
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in most sports the male strength advantage is such that the best players are men, and thus all male teams do best. the male strength is not as beneficial in an orchestra where based on experts in the field, when blind to the gender of the musician, women are often selected as better than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 10:35 PM
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That's the problem with the orchestra study -- it assumes that individual performance is perfectly correlated with group performance when we know this isn't the case. did the study assume that? or did it just find that women are picked more often in blind auditions? what study are you talking about? this study found that men and women don't actually prefer diverse work environments BUT diverse work environments perform better - https://gwtoday.gwu.edu/study-says-gender-diverse-offices-are-more-p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 06:02 PM
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in the absence of a good data to the contrary, i think the ockham's razor formula to the best group is the most talented individuals regardless of gender. and non feeling dominated individuals use emotion neutral descriptive language, so check your feels if you want to pretend to be rational/stemmy and use descriptive nouns/adjectives, like women, jews, blacks, homosexuals instead of your preferred feels(fear/hate/anger) laden versions. you are just reinforcing the hateful histrionic male red pi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 04:46 PM
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anyone who cares about music quality would hope not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 04:30 PM
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yeah who cares about music quality, right. fortunately/accordingly/appropriately your time is spent on reddit and not affecting society.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 04:27 PM
3

address the male musician bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 03:56 PM
0

stop deflecting with you deflecting argument. i asked you how check yourself against confirmation/selection bias, and/or just getting things wrong? a valid question to how you cognitively operate, determine validity. i also asked you to give me a specific female entitlement question.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 01:52 PM
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I provided evidence that what you are looking for doesn't exist because that field will not allow it to exist. haha, that's so convenient for maintaining your individual delusions/animosity. how exactly do you check yourself against confirmation/selection bias, and/or just getting things wrong? Now you WILL stop deflecting and directly answer for the female entitlement. could you specify your question?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 01:36 PM
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haha, nice rationalization. there is no reason to say anything in a non clinical / rational way unless you're goal is to shame, add emotional sentiment, 'up the feels'. high partner count, black, jewish, homosexual is matter of fact. using the slur version of those things is not. a red pill could actually present red pill ideas in matter-of-fact ways. have not seen that yet because that's not how they tend to operate. they complain about others shaming them even though they operate the same way …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 01:33 PM
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empathy/consideration-for-others for most of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 12:47 PM
0

haha, coming from someone pushing/supporting the all women and scientists are bad narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 12:44 PM
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This a debate sub, name-calling is weak. And BPers tend to do it a lot more. so calling women sluts or whores is weak? that's pretty common red pill behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 06:18 AM
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i'm not female, and the only men i ever hear regularly talk/complain about shaming are red pill men. that's one reason why red pill men are often compared to feminists who also complain a lot about shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 06:00 AM
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why do red pillers complain about shaming/being-shamed more than anyone i've ever observed?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 05:31 AM
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nah, i just don't relate to the nonsense you are talking about. it's very foreign so i wonder how you got yourself into thinking about and/or experiencing reality as you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 05:28 AM
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you are not debating anything other than your personal opinion(s), you cite no empirical evidence. so there is nothing to really debate/discuss with you except the kind of person you are, how you ended up with your views. feel free to post empirical evidence than men are less selfish than females.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 04:48 AM
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Female friends have helped me move, done favors, given me rides. Female coworkers were as congenial as males as far as covering, trading shifts in my jobs back in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 03:55 AM
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Why do you need an explanation for something you take as fact? What other facts do you believe that are not typical? What things in the past have you believed were true/fact, but you turned out to be wrong. Since selfish people bother you, do you have a history of doing volunteer work?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 03:48 AM
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I've been helped more than hurt by my mother, relatives, teachers, female friends, female coworkers... similar experiences with men too so i don't relate to hatred, resentment towards either gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 02:44 AM
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It didn't seem constructive to say your parents seem shitty and that you are a product of those genetics, that environment so it makes sense you are drawn to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 02:41 AM
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I decided I would no longer initiate any plans or or conversation with female friends, they would have to come to me. And an unsurprising 100% of the time they did, it was because I could be useful in some way. maybe that's the female friendships you cultivated, maybe that's the type of female you selected.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 01:25 AM
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did/do your mother, sisters (if you have any), female relatives also operate like this? have you ever had a platonic female friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 01:12 AM
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yeah, i know you think/feel that. i was just wondering if you could share the basis/'grounds' of your views/feelings in your own debate thread. and what are you, if not a red piller, blue piller, or female? anything except "how am I/women benefitted?" do you generally act in/for the benefit of others?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 12:55 AM
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never said people had zero control. are you capable of discerning that what you think is just a subjective opinion? do you have a sense of your own imprecision, that your beliefs are subjective guesses about what objective reality actually is? or do you actually think your view/belief in this one case (about what you think the simple 'facts' are) is the reality (versus a study with a large sample done by people devoted to the topic)?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 12:33 AM
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sounds like a deflection from having to defend your groundless views/animosity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 12:19 AM
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why don't you start a thread about the basis for your beliefs on women and you can expose yourself to more direct debate versus sniping here and there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 12:08 AM
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simple fact? is that what you hope is true, want to be true, 'feel' is true, or did you actually read an empirical study that made you think that might be true. you do understand that what you think is true/factual and objective truth/fact are not the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 12:03 AM
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notice how you spend time on subreddits that allow you to vent your anger/hostility against women. your responses reflect that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 11:56 PM
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it's insane that most red pillers don't admit they are past their prime after 30. i would think someone who cared about truth could more easily admit that. the fact that i've yet to hear a red piller admit that tells me red pill is not so much about truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 11:44 PM
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ok, you're entitled to your opinion here on ppd, not so much on /r/thredpill though (if you fall outside the hivemind there).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 11:39 PM
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there's been research on earnings and happiness. so that's the basis of my statements (not assumptions) - https://www.princeton.edu/~deaton/downloads/deaton_kahneman_high_income_improves_evaluation_August2010.pdf what's the basis for your views?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 11:37 PM
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i'm sure some do, and those i would label similarly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 11:20 PM
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You just said you compared it to a cult, a cult is a specific focus on one thing, we focus on several things as RP. no, the focus of red pill is sexual strategy. that's one thing. You have two options in the financial landscape, cope or thrive. who is thriving though? people that make enough and enjoy their life or people who are constantly thinking they have to do better, acquire more, to the detriment of their happiness, personal development.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 11:13 PM
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cults tend to isolate you from reality, by putting their in group ideas as fact/truth, and out group ideas as false/heresy. they suppress/prohibit contrary views, thus becoming an echo chamber.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 11:10 PM
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the red pill ideal chasing is a bit insane based on the reality that you cognitively and physically start to decline with about 2/3rds of your life still left. i would take red pill more seriously if it embraced transhumanism, which actually acknowledges and seeks to overcome those physical/mental declines. red pill ideas/psychology is divorced from human reality. the ultimate peak humans are almost always going to be under 30 based on current physiological/scientific understanding. i've yet to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 11:00 PM
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men and women full of anger tend to be troubled. men and women that have poor social comprehension such that human/social dynamics need to be explained to them tend to be troubled. men and women that need safe places tend to be troubled, tend to experience the world as unsafe (where most experience that same world as safe). Work on yourself, become your ideal self and you were operating under what motivation/direction before that? You say cult with two assumptions here: ingroup bias/reinforcemen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 10:48 PM
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i pay my taxes that hopefully will go to broader mental health care someday.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 10:15 PM
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it's comparing notes within the red pill hive mind. sharing notes that contradict the red pill hivemind is unwelcome. RPers have it for their goals, why not BPers for their goals? you mean common sense stuff like find get an education, find a career you like, eat healthy, get regular exercise... those messages permeate modern culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 10:14 PM
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really, could you show me that with evidence? just because most people don't need guides doesn't mean some don't. and just because some need guides doesn't mean red pill is helping anyone making their fucked up version. cults by nature tend to attract lost souls, doesn't mean cults are inherently good. i favor more proven methods to help the troubled like better mental health resources, fairer economic structures, and physical fitness education.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 10:12 PM
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because most people don't need a step by step guide to living/life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 09:36 PM
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So being sick isn't necessarily a determining factor. really? "If couples are happy before the diagnosis, it appears that men are more likely to abandon wives who become seriously ill."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 09:34 PM
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And technically we don't do moral discussions on TRP. You can be Redpill and be the equivalent of Ghenghis Khan for all we care in terms of discussing strategy. female morality is discussed on red pill. so you mean male morality is not up for discussion. basically red pill males are hypersensitive to themselves and hyper-insensitive to others. no wonder they have a history of rejection. As for caring if they get hurt - who really does? non sociopaths do. Do you really care that African children …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 06:17 PM
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ok, so because society forbids it and they will hurt you if you do it? not simply because it's wrong to hurt/abuse people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 06:08 PM
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for any reason, based on the 70% stat, it's 2x more women, for a partner getting very sick, based on the stats, it's 7x more men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 06:06 PM
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It makes people cringe when a loser man hides his loserness and succeeds. what percent of red pill is about making losers into powerful men? and does red pill value external power (power in the world) more or less than internal power (power in oneself)?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 12:48 PM
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No where in TRP does it advocate punching a woman. why exactly would trp be against punching and/or hurting women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 12:44 PM
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if women are worthless and disposable, what's the motivation to avoid hurting them (or care about whether they get hurt)?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 12:42 PM
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if you really believe that about women why do you have anything to do with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 04:37 AM
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so that's about twice the rate of men, two times worse if you think of divorce as a bad thing. continuing that logic, men are seven times worse than women if you think leaving a sick partner is a bad thing. what do you think is worse divorce in general or divorcing a sick partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 04:34 AM
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http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/men-more-likely-to-leave-spouse-with-cancer/
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 04:32 AM
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if you were hiring accountants, and you had 50/50 male/female applicants of similar qualifications, what percentage men/women do you think you would hire?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 03:23 PM
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but it makes everyone much happier. edit: but i think it makes me much happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 03:21 PM
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The thing I like the most about the red pill and the manosphere in general is the introspective parts that tell you to stop whinging and blaming others and start looking for solutions and yet red pillers seem to all worship lifting despite lots of other fitness options, some of which actually have good science behind them (like HIIT). i think red pill is about feeding a few agreed upon 'red pill' solutions to people that like to follow dogmas/systems, it's not about encouraging experimentation/d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 03:19 PM
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Nope. You're fucking hung the fuck up on the fucking language used. We don't (red pill in general) doesn't hate women. They strive to understand them. how can you understand women if you are too emotional towards them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 03:12 PM
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Yes it is. Women want to be free to cheat to secure benefits immediately as they arise. what percentage of your girlfriends have cheated on you? how many times did your mom cheat on your dad?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 03:08 PM
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Women are just as loyal as men, LMAO are you aware men are seven times more likely to leave a sick partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 03:07 PM
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that's because they don't know about maintaining frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:59 PM
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You can always get what you want that's delusional thinking, no one bats 1000
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 07:26 PM
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crying kills male sexual arousal too - http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/213099.php men are seven times more likely to leave a sick spouse than vice versa - http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/men-more-likely-to-leave-spouse-with-cancer/ depression, higher levels of neuroticism makes partners less appealing for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 01:46 AM
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oh, so the anger is just an act/style to look cool, be more lovable to, accepted by trpers? what's your true/authentic emotional baseline/nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 01:39 AM
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if money helps a lot with attractiveness, why are you still so angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 01:20 AM
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modesty and misanthropy don't usually coexist, so i guess you are a unicorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:34 PM
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just curious why you don't think arrogance would be an issue if you were attractive, but you are suspicious of other attractive people having that issue. what's your rational for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:53 PM
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doesn't explain why you are suspicious of others developing/having a trait (arrogance) you doubt you would have in the same position.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:07 PM
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then why would you be so suspicious of others, are other people worse than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:55 PM
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"Well, this dude can extract anything he wants from pretty much everybody, let's see how quickly that power goes to his head." because it would go to your head?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:44 PM
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there is plenty of negative sentiment and anger towards women and society that doesn't add to conversations on red pill that is allowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:59 PM
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RP is amoral because it's anti thought policing, which allows greater freedom of actual progressive ideas. and/or makes it highly attractive to insensitive amoral types. saying people can't call out prick behavior (which is different from banning prick behavior) is thought policing too. on red pill you can say women are fucked up, or non red pillers are fucked up, but don't say some dude who sleeps with people in relationships is fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:39 PM
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i may not like interactions like that but i respect (and thus am sensitive to) people's right to have them. and let's not pretend schumer's not possibly overstating (or making up) her 'friends' inauthentic banality to make it seem like she's more authentic and to make for a funny bit which is also fake, comedians overstate and/or make up stories/events/friends for their acts all the time. i think she is amusing but if she's outing friends for her own/others amusement (which i doubt because i bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:34 PM
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I don't think RPs want a world of insensitivity I think they just reject those who are offended constantly by everything. to have any sensitivity/civility requires some morality and /r/theredpill at least is amoral, an thus anti-civility/morality - https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2qdc08/psa_im_adding_broknighting_to_my_list_of_bannable/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:17 PM
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and I have to remember to be more considerate. that's why vulgarity is a convenient red flag for selfishness/inconsideration. red pillers complain about pc-ness, sensitivity because that kind of status quo won't let them be themselvess, i.e. insensitive. certainly sensitivity can go to far, but most people don't want to live in a world full of insensitive/inconsiderate jackasses either. the world red pillers think they want would likely get them physically assaulted a lot... or they want a fanta…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:52 PM
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at what age did you grow up?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 02:13 AM
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how do you get external rewards/rushes when you are not having sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:50 AM
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how often do you drink and/or do drugs?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:32 AM
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If you're the avg dude, you're not going to be thrown in jail for a false rape accusation, even if you're a massive rake. You do have a large risk of being ostracized or at least having your name dragged through the mud by pettier hoes. Extralegal consequences. so what does that say about all the red pillers who complain about false rape accusations? is their main fear just extralegal consequences?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:29 AM
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it could be related to the fact that men are significantly more likely than women to be born with mental disabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 01:55 AM
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what percent don't need help? and how many years of helping did it take you to realize that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 12:26 AM
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Fuck all those hypocritical parasites. so, why are you so interested in helping and angry about those you've wanted to help? generally helpful people tend to be overly sympathetic, you don't seem to have that issue. if you really care about charitable groups, helping, charity, you should read your last few posts as they seem like an argument for why people should not help out others... like fox news porn. if your request to be a big brother had not been rejected, would they just be parasites (in…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 11:32 PM
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Saw people rolling up in Escalades to collect their food. what percentage of people? if it wasn't the majority, why do you think you focus on that versus all the non escalade needy?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 05:03 PM
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RPers do not care CAPS (and especially BOLD CAPS) suggests you care.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 01:42 AM
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ha, it's normal to want a mutually loving, invested healthy relationship, it's abnormal that in the absence of that you want things that don't generally happen outside of a mutually loving, invested healthy relationship (i.e. regular sex, trust, compassion, etc.). if you think extracting obligatory sex from a shitty relationship is a good thing, i question your sensibility/sanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 10:28 PM
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regardless of your particular nature, you've affirmed my original premise that angry/bitter types are unattractive people as even you claim to avoid them / choose not to be around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 09:56 PM
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so if people that knew you irl thought you were more angry/bitter than happy/positive, you would believe that's how you are? you should query them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 05:03 PM
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Not everyone is curious or similarly curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:12 PM
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Its interesting and offensive. I find racists / race realists similarly interesting and offensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:11 PM
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Ha, yeah since you are not angry/bitter. That checks out...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:28 PM
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imagine there was an active subreddit full of people that really thought the world was flat. wouldn't you find that interesting?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 12:15 PM
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various ages, i don't know, what percentage of angry/bitter men do you think are in therapy or on psych meds? or should be?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 01:18 AM
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nothing scientific about it just my anecdotal experience in this particular case. maybe you (or anyone else) could share your (or their) experiences regarding angry/bitter men if they differ significantly from mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 01:16 AM
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Kind of like when Arch goes to work even when he really doesn't want to haha, again you are comparing women having to have sex with men having to go to work. i find that very odd. Marriage is about compromise don't necessarily disagree with that, but when that compromise involves sex, having sex half the time when you don't want to, i highly disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 10:41 PM
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so you are comparing having sex for a female to having a job for a male? seriously? Do you believe that married men should have no right to any happiness in their marriages? if you are happy having sex with someone who half the time doesn't want to be doing it, i think you are insane, mentally/emotionally defective. if you are in a marriage like that, the sane thing to do is to leave it (and find someone with similar interest) or just have sex when the other person actually wants to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 04:29 PM
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Well, i define a relationship where one party doesn't want to have sex half the time sex is happening as shitty / fucked up. I would still love to hear the in depth perspective of anyone who thinks that's normal, not fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 04:00 PM
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Uh. Huh. And you're a shitty-ass friend for not knowing your friend wanted to go for Italian. I bet she never wants to speak to you again. if i was pushing the spoon of italian food down her mouth, clueless to her not enjoying it, i would hope she wouldn't. if she hung out with me again after that, i bet it's because she didn't have a lot of options and/or had an abuse history.. this isn't about you either, my comments are about people overly focused on what they want and deaf or inconsiderate t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 02:22 PM
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not necessarily, you should just not be bitter/angry... if you want to avoid having an unattractive personality in the same way you should not be fat if you want to avoid having an unattractive physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 02:10 PM
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but i've known men who were unsuccessful with women who were not angry/bitter and thus did have friends, were otherwise happy. being angry/bitter makes you unlikable to almost everyone, it's a cancerous personality trait. to the degree red pill reinforces that, it is not helping these people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 01:42 PM
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i'm not comparing the OP scenario to rape so you can drop that tangent. i'm saying if people you are having sex with are having a bad time and you are clueless about it or don't care, there is something wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 01:40 PM
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sounds like you still have a shitty marriage. why not find someone that actually wants to have sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 01:32 PM
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all the angry/bitter men i know (have known) get less sex, less interest from women (and tend to be liked less by same sex people too, i.e. have less friends, less close friends). so it surprises me that red pill encourages (or tolerates) that behavior, doesn't consider that 'tone' to be a type of personality defect/cancer that needs to be fixed vs. reinforced. i'm inclined to think red pill is just a community of unlike-able types (social pariahs) which explains their need for a specific follow…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 01:31 PM
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that explains a lot about your perspective. do you enjoy having sex with someone that doesn't want to have sex with you half the time? did that require you to develop an insensitivity to what she wants? or is that something you had to begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 01:11 PM
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do you think you are an outlier in your inability/ability to understand the perspective of others? if a girl had sex with you but you found out later she didn't really want to and only did it because she felt pressured by you, what would you think about the situation, about yourself, about her? and i don't think the op's story or the scenario i just stated is rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 12:57 PM
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well if you are not going to address the very clear question/topic i asked in good faith, there is not point debating you. unless you don't think there are differences between men and women, i wonder if you are genuinely capable of considering the female perspective in light of those differences. your defensiveness suggests you are unwilling and/or incapable of doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 12:47 PM
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if a girl had sex with you but you found out later she didn't really want to and only did it because she felt pressured by you, what would you think about the situation, about yourself, about her?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 12:06 PM
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do you agree or disagree that female physiology gives women a passive bias (making it harder to act) in the same way male physiology gives men an active bias (making it easier to act)?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 12:04 PM
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I "lightly patted" one of my guys on the back the other day, I'm pretty sure he doesnt any think I'm gay. lightly patting on the back is a common non sexual gesture, lightly touching someone's forearm is a flirting gesture. None of my guys ever pat me on the back, because it would be weird as I'm their boss. friends pat each other on the back all the time and that has nothing to do with dominance. most people don't want to be friends with the boss, just as most people don't want to date someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 11:47 AM
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ok, do you think it's wrong if a certain manipulation benefits you and hurts the manipulated and/or society?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 11:25 PM
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i think you would call that a deflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 08:27 PM
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http://www.livescience.com/21951-women-children-first-shipwreck-myth.html
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 08:08 PM
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Awww, snookums. I didn't know we were romantic partners now. And I totally forgot your birthday this year. well i wasn't referring to us since even if you might be gay, i'm not. care to address the link between hostility and violence? or are you just conceding there is one and moving on. did you actually not realize that hostile individuals are more likely to be violent? But you still had to get in a personal dig/deflection. i answered your question, you did not. It's okay though, you can't help…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:22 PM
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First, a light touch is a dominant move because it is invasion of personal space taking place unasked. ok, if a male lightly touched you in a social setting, would think that he was dominant, a dominant gay, or just gay? Part of the problem having this conversation with bloops is that you all think dominance=BDSM because that's the onl context you've ever heard it in. no, i'm talking about dominance as a range and asking you to specify what you think is normative dominance and seeing if you unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:15 PM
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Do you honestly believe that means I'm likely to abuse you? more likely to be an abusive person in general. does that mean you individually will ever act on your hostility towards anyone, maybe not. but hostile people are more likely to be abusive towards others, so i think society justifiably is intolerant, weary of people like that. here's a study that links hostility and anger with violence against their romantic partners - http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Christopher_Eckhardt/publication/…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:06 PM
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i think trp and glen gary glen ross manipulation are not incompatible. red pill is amoral, if i recall, pro whatever works.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 05:30 PM
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"Renninger, Wade, and Grammer (2004) found that some nonverbal behaviors displayed by men led them to be more favorably accepted by women." again, that doesn't mean a light touch is a display of dominance. "they invaded my personal space with a light touch"... does that make sense to you? touch is a non verbal signal of interest, light touch maybe a signal of comfort/nurturing. You're not getting what dominance means if you think you can divide it into "slight" and "total". There are dominant be…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 05:28 PM
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romantic relationships or friendships don't operate like this. don't operate like boss/worker (i.e. hierarchical) relationships. and you can find those exact words in those posts, this was your misread/confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:27 PM
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if you don't think most non red pillers think red pillers are lunatics (or at least somewhat crazy) than you are not very aware. please start a thread on this topic and see what non red pillers say. "The request was again accompanied by a light touch (or not) on the young woman’s forearm. In both experiments, it was found that touch increased compliance to the man’s request. A replication of the second experiment accompanied with a survey administered to the female showed that high score of domi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:23 PM
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Google me up an article saying there is no such thing as human body language then your claims about the significance of it, our understanding of it was an overstatement. but please post what i said that made you think i thought body language doesn't exist at all. i'm genuinely curious. Because you aren't calling RP delusional...... You are calling a basic human fact about basic human behaviour that EVERY social scientist in the world agrees with..... as delusional. that's your confusion. my call…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:05 PM
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The thing you insisted earlier is irrelvant to people no, i stated you overstated it's relevance. my argument was that healthy friendships and romantic relationships don't involve boss/worker hierarchy dynamics. No. I think dominance/submissive behaviours are. Not necessarily heirarchy. ok, what's the distinction between these two things? Because neuro-normative women prefer dominant men. And neuro-normative men prefer submissive women. can you post a compelling study that shows men prefer a sub…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 03:40 PM
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The original argument is that men and women have preferences for submissiveness/dominance split by sex. what does this mean in the context of a couple on a sinking boat in fatally cold water with only one spot left on a life boat? Whose claims are "overtly certain" here ? your claims about the validity, current understanding of body language were overly certain. body language is a speculative field in a speculative soft science. This is YOUR chosen source, and it's telling you that you are talki…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 03:30 PM
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YOU appear to be UNREASONABLY sure that what is observed and understood by social scientists the world over is a delusion....... and that your position, which no educated person shares, is not. ha, nice hamstering. ALL social scientists think friendships and romantic relationships involve hierarchy? But I (like a lot of the RP guys) have an entirely NORMAL psychological and relationship history. maybe you do, who knows, but red pill is for the troubled, men that are having/had issues. not sure w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 03:15 PM
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Your problem is that you are arguing that what we know the picture currently, and which all professionals would agree is happenning, is not happening. you are taking a little bit of info and overstating it's value/truth/importance. a) Humans have innate instinctive body language b) All humans display this all the time. Unconsciously. c) These instinctive displays have obvious cognates in primate behaviour d) Any believing a-c is just understanding human response and is NOT some mad obsessive bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:38 PM
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Who the fuck is obsessed with it ? It's a REALITY and like all aspects of reality you have to deal with it in your life. people that are born with that personality orientation (that see ranking everywhere, in everything) and continue to reinforce it. I'm not obsessed with cold weather either... But I put a jumper on when it's cold. so you admit that it's only cold sometimes and only in some places? you understand that cold weather is not a constant reality/issue/fixation for lots of people? hier…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:28 PM
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and/or the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:04 PM
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If you spent 30 minutes learning a few.... and the rest of the day observing the office... You'd immediately become aware that everyone is doing it unconsciously. are you 100% aware of your unconscious selection biases? do you admit it's possible you are constantly seeing reality in a way that affirms your biases? You DON'T believe in dominance right ? where have i said that? different hierarchies exist, but A. not everyone values, buys into hierarchy (some reject it, some are ambivalent, and so…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:03 PM
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no one has to prove rp wrong, they do that themselves. i'm just here to witness the wrongness and get insight on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 01:48 PM
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i'm saying most people seek, gravitate to people on their level for friendships, relationships, they don't want a boss or underling. i'm also saying people obsessed with friendships and relationships being hierarchical are not normal, and have a dominance or submission bias which is not typical.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 01:45 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3tx281/have_you_ever_been_friendzoned_or_shit_tested/cxa2ssh
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 01:18 PM
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you are playing dumb by refusing to answer a simple relevant question which you prompted by pushing the importance of external circumstances. if you don't think think external circumstances are more important than internal nature, than your argument is a bad one.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 01:11 PM
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are you more a product of your circumstances or your internal nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 01:02 PM
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Thats the point, yes they do. You can see females/males making primate dominance signals to each other extremely easily.... If you know what those signals are, and you watch for them. It's ridiculously easy to see. well i would suggest you are seeing things through your own unconscious and/or conscious personality biases. some people, possibly you, are fixated on hierarchy, most people are not (they are ambivalent about it or anti it). additionally, some people are fixated on helping others, som…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 12:55 PM
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Much as people unconsciously show deference signals to bosses (tucking the chin in, sitting defensively, other displays of primate submission) and bosses unconsciously show dominance signals to employees (pressing into personal space, standing tall and non-submissively, being expansive, other displays of primate dominance). romantic relationships or friendships don't operate like this. i find it odd red pill has to compare romantic relationships to work relationships to get their fixation on hie…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 12:19 PM
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You can't offend anybody these days. would you prefer a more mad max anarchistic world, where being offensive is the norm? or a more peaceful world that limited your ability to be offensive (i.e. western civilization)?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 12:08 PM
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creating a great product that people want is manipulation no one has an issue with, using sales tactics that make someone buy a product that isn't even good for them is an example of the manipulation people justifiably don't like. tesla manipulation ok, glen gary glen ross manipulation, not ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 12:04 PM
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stop contradicting the red pill narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 11:56 AM
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but my point that most men were also excluded from the desirable places women were excluded from still stands but they were not excluded because of their gender, and historically women were. do you understand that historical context? as to shitty male spaces, even today, it seems like more men don't want women soldiers than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 11:56 AM
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And contrary to what you seem to believe, this is actually a pretty normal situation for loads of guys to be in. no, it's not because most men and women are not domineering. that's not a normative, middle of the bell curve trait. so, why do you think that's normal?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 11:48 AM
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These are tests for inter-personal dominance (as well as requests). my experience is this is a trait that men or women who have a preference for dominance engage in (this is something they might not be consciously aware of, but likely grew up with a parent(s) like this). i would speculate that anyone who has experienced this a lot with the opposite sex, is attracted to dominant types. most people are neither dominant nor submissive, they exist in the normal middle of the bell curve where recipro…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 11:42 AM
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what about red pill views that women are untrustworthy, operate like children, are constantly wanting to trade up?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 11:33 AM
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because of red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 12:50 AM
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I've made more friends since finding TRP. in real life? do they know your red pill views?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 12:50 AM
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are people that speak harshly about you, have hostility towards you, more or less likely to be abusive / mistreating of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 12:46 AM
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the research on couples with or without kids has mixed results https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/complete-without-kids/201103/fact-or-fiction-childfree-couples-are-happier-couples-kids http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-03-10/health/sc-health-0226-parent-happiness-20140310_1_arthur-stone-kids-children http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/14/living/parents-happiness-child-free-studies/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 11:34 PM
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-chief-covered-up-rapes-called-victims-whores-lawsuit_55ad3b77e4b0d2ded39f9338 http://www.washtenawwatchdogs.com/university-of-michigan/the-cover-up-of-the-arrest-of-university-of-michigan-football-player-brendan-gibbons-for-rape http://nypost.com/2015/08/21/baylor-sheltered-football-star-for-2-years-until-rape-conviction/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 12:50 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3sk82o/cmv_there_is_more_of_a_vilify_men_and_yell_rape/cwy0xk6
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 04:16 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3sk82o/cmv_there_is_more_of_a_vilify_men_and_yell_rape/cwy0xk6
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 04:16 AM
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take your pick.. How do you know Im not a kike or rice eater myself, bro? Oh, thats easy. Intelligence and an honest assessment of the world around you and the humans (and subhumans) in it. Your argument would hold weight if the black "community" had any sort of complexity or sophistication which merited deep study. Blacks tend to be more generalized/basic than whites, in my view. That whole "shared culture" thing that whites have long evolved out of.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 11:54 AM
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i don't care about your specific identity, i care about how someone ends up a racist and stays that way despite all the negative connotations/consequences. what does it feel like to be a societal heretic? are you aware of the link between childhood low iq and racism, what do you think of it - http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 02:57 AM
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I don't think that modernity made women too picky, it just exposed their true nature. so is the true nature of males, quitters who prefer the easier path (in this case, the robot/virtual-sex path)?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 10:54 PM
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How do you know Im not a kike or rice eater myself, bro? i get a less educated white working class vibe from you. racism is more common in that group.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 10:51 PM
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Oh, thats easy. Intelligence and an honest assessment of the world around you and the humans (and subhumans) in it. are you subhuman compared to asians? ashkenazi jews? I don't disclose anything about my family online just as a matter of good practice. yeah, because if it was known that your parents and you had the same views on race, everyone would know exactly who you are, makes sense. what percent of red pill do you think has similar racial views as you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 10:30 PM
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i'm genuinely curious as to how someone ends up a racist. you've yet to answer the question. not sure the link between cuckoldry and racism? you've expressed racist views, i've never expressed cuck views. if i had expressed cuck views, i would be happy to answer if my parents had them to. but as it stands, i don't have a cuck history, nor do my parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 10:05 PM
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are your parents racists too or are you an outlier in your family?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 09:36 PM
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Blacks tend to be more generalized/basic than whites, in my view. That whole "shared culture" thing that whites have long evolved out of. and you've spent what percent of your life in the black community (to be able to make assessments on it)?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 09:18 PM
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hivemind ftw.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 08:38 PM
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Its not represantative because there are to few cases?! You cant make a study with 15 people and than claim they are represantative for the entire world.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 07:12 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/30tjtw/words_can_be_weapons_do_not_let_those_you_hate/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/30vykb/guy_gets_banned_from_trp_for_asking_if_calling/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/30vykb/guy_gets_banned_from_trp_for_asking_if_calling/cpwn7y3
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 06:52 PM
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so a study with a sample size of 15 shipwrecks (versus the total amount of passenger shipwrecks in the period studied) is the same in your mind as a study with a sample size of 15 people (versus the total amount of people on earth in the period studied)? do you honestly believe that? how does that make sense to you? please explain your logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 06:44 PM
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the mod post in question was even controversial because misogynist was used appropriately/descriptively (and not against a mod, ec if i recall correctly). do you even know the mod post i'm talking about? if not, why are you acting like you understand the situation (other than a chronic need to act like you understand every situation)?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 06:41 PM
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there was a mod post on red pill awhile back concerning a thread where a user described another user as a misogynist. it was made clear anyone using that word would be banned (but of course misandrist is fine).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 06:07 PM
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they also could have made up all the data as well? you can't just assume 'could haves' without any reasonable evidence to that effect. stating the study isn't representative isn't a could have either, it's a declarative statement. unless you can explain why it isn't representative, that's an unfounded claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 05:59 PM
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haha, red pill banning the use of specific words (which is a fact that you apparently are unaware of) and my being banned are entirely separate points.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 03:03 PM
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no, they actually banned me without ever posting there, talk about hyper-vigilant, sensitive to criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 02:46 PM
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most people are neither red pill nor sjw/radfem
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 12:51 PM
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However this statistic is not representative as it picks only 15 disasters. do you think the study cherry picked? how are those 15 disasters not representative?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 12:49 PM
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try saying misogynist and see how long you last, that's on the ban list. don't worry i'm sure you are good at following the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 06:01 PM
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Out of it, we don't even exist except as charming individuals with rocking bods. hey look, delusions of grandeur. Read the sidebar, demonstrate mastery over the material and don't stray from the hivemind, don't forget that. oh, and don't use certain words the mods have banned too. red pillers are just an angry breed of sheeple.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 04:23 PM
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red pill is an actual group with shared values/beliefs. non red pillers are far more diverse, calling them a group is quite a stretch of the term. if they are a group, they are certainly not as homogeneous a group as red pill is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 03:22 PM
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the red pill is not a herd? don't you have your own terminology/language? leaders? ecs? if you really were an independent thinker, why would you need red pill, associate with a group like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 02:45 PM
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people like that are not that common and you overstate their effectiveness at hurting others. i'm not going to be paranoid of circumstances/toxins that are unlikely to effect me. if you are overly focused on dark triads, you likely are going to over diagnose them, which will cause you problems as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 02:44 PM
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you fail to grasp the nuance between personal attack (you are this or that) and ideological critique (if you believe xyz, you are this or that). in any case, one is allowed by the rules of this subreddit and one is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 02:40 PM
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You didn't make the cut, bitch. That's all there is to it. ha, everyone knows red pill is not an elite group of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 01:17 PM
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you were trying to be clever stylistically. i approve.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 01:07 PM
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you think fighting is the best way to protect?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 12:30 PM
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maybe you like fighting and are inventing causes to justify that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 12:29 PM
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and what will you do with your life until then and/or if that never happens? how important is personal glory to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 12:28 PM
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if that doesn't happen, what do you think you got wrong (in thinking it would)?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 12:27 PM
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do you emulate that attitude or is that more your true/actual nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 12:18 PM
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dark triad types self destruct socially in the long term. their partners leave them, their friends cut them off. they get fired and/or their business associations cut them off. no one is a perfect liar/con-artist, and eventually they reveal their true nature, and that's what leads to their long term undoing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 04:40 AM
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really nice people and really dark triad people are outliers, most people are in between, they play fair, they are nice until betrayed and then they fairly punish those that betrayed them (report them to HR, stop associating with them socially, etc.). it's fair to take action against someone that attacks you unfairly. that's not dark triad. the allies were punishing the dark triad axis for their misbehavior, their antisocial actions. the axis brought their eventual demise upon them by attacking …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 01:24 AM
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you think there isn't insecurity in your greatest work being behind you, being less than you were?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 01:18 AM
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red pill is a group not a person. criticizing the character of red pill as a group is perfectly within the rules here. if i were to call you names (narc, borderline, mental, etc.), that would be a personal attack, i.e. against the rules. do you understand that distinction? if you identify with red pill such that you feel personally attacked when i criticize red pill, that's your own issue. The topic at hand wasn't about squidracer attracting women. squidrace said "I've always dated younger, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 01:10 AM
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why do chess players peak at 31?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:45 PM
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i don't think it's disparaging to point out the reality that the kind of 18yr olds that would consider a much older man are likely very messed up. if you have something relevant to say on that topic, please do. i think it's amusing that you claim to not have animosity. you could have actually responded to the topic but instead you went on with your old regurgitated narc/borderline tirade. at least try to veil your anger and debate the actual topic at hand... or just let it go and/or realize it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:57 PM
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i think you can only be more wise past your peak, the height of confidence requires the edge of being near your peak.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:48 PM
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The reality is there are way too many fuck up people that want to fuck you over. this is what paranoid / selfish / untrustworthy (victimizers projecting their traits on others) or trauma survivors (unlucky, unhealed victims) tend to believe. A win-win situation is always better than a win-lose situation. But when push comes to shove and a win-lose situation is the only possible outcome... I'm going to make sure I win (unless I have more to gain by appearing to lose) what if society would be bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:48 PM
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your response had nothing to do with the topic and was just your old contrived personal attack material. this is a debate subreddit not your personal animosity outlet.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:40 PM
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what disorder causes people to follow around specific users on outlier subreddits?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:13 PM
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They won't spread false rumours. you think people that operate like that do well in the long term, on average? this is why narcs and anti-socials can't maintain friendships, they operate like petulant children, only perceive short term game. dark triad types don't tend to do well in the long term. Knowing the laws of power is really about knowing what tactics and methods those fuck up people use so you can avoid and counter them. so you agree that people that operate by the 48 laws are fucked up…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 06:29 PM
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i think you are mistaking wisdom and confidence. crystalized intelligence doesn't diminish like fluid intelligence does, that's true. But it's no coincidence that most tech / science greats do their best work before 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 06:21 PM
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the laws of power are how mentally fucked up people operate. why would i take a guide to fucked up people seriously. i love that the book exists, every fan of the book is raising a red flag that they are fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:44 PM
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I'm saying that mental and physical peak happens before 30, so after 30 men are past their organic/physiological peak. Which isn't to say they are worthless after that, but to pretend they can reach peak confidence after their physical/mental peak makes little sense. Do you think musicians and athletes are more confident in their 20s or 30s? "The results of this study validate a model previously published by Moore: The evolution of the performances of an individual throughout his life follows an…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:42 PM
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how can a male who is past his mental and physical peak be more confident?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 01:08 PM
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but after a certain age didn't even want to deal with 18 year olds and had less of an option to do that as well. there are probably cool 18 yr olds that you would love but they woudn't have anything to do with you, the ones that would are nightmares.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 01:03 PM
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'court attention at all costs' is part of red pill canon.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 01:02 PM
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i think you are biased by being older and wanting to think you are not sliding. mental and physical capacity is lower after 30 for almost everyone. no one but an unaware delusional could be more confident in that reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 12:58 PM
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the elements that create or reinforce obsession with image, status, sex. also the elements that create or reinforce being suspicious of others, being selfish, being manipulative. it creates and/or attracts people that take the 48 laws of power seriously and no sane person takes those seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 12:53 PM
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Childlike, carefree, full of life - what else do you want in a woman? can you post a link to that red pill definition on a red pill blog or /r/theredpill?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 01:47 AM
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you think they didn't have autistic village idiots in the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 09:40 PM
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"In women, problems with arousal and orgasm correlated with higher neuroticism and lower extraversion." http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165032799000506
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 02:26 PM
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sexual dysfunction and lower exercise behavior correlated with low extroversion in those studies. so while sexual dysfunction and exercise intolerance will be highest in unstable introverts, it's associated with stable introverts and unstable non-introverts as well, otherwise it would only have correlated with emotional instability. and normal is people that score in the middle of the bell curve on extroversion. the farther you deviate from that average, the less normal you are. how many relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 05:52 PM
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introverted women are also more likely to have sexual dysfunction / lower sex drive - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165032799000506 they are also less likely to exercise http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886997002316
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 05:07 PM
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extroverts are less likely to be depressed, unhappy, negative - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886902000788 extroversion + emotional instability produces the kind of girl you seem to be weary of, but introversion + emotional instability is a recipe for clinical depression and higher risk of suicide. the least depressed, happiest people are extroverts with high emotional stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 03:58 PM
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you will still be able to raise your own child. alone after he's abandoned her, or not well because his resources / time is spread thin philandering / due to philandering.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 05:12 PM
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That can happen. But if it does, she can divorce him and sue him to pay for the damages. are you making an evolutionary argument or a current events argument? or are you picking and choosing whatever suits your desired conclusions?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 05:12 PM
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Most men don't leave wives for the other woman. stats on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 05:12 PM
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any stats at all behind your assertions or are you just making them up as you go?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 05:11 PM
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Does he know how miserable you are? That you are wanting to end things if there is not a change?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 05:56 AM
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why would you not give him the option of trying to make the marriage work? he should be able to say yes/no to something different unless you don't actually want to continue the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:54 PM
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i think five years is long enough to try something and decide it's not working. propose a change, explain why.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:23 PM
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i think you'll see in this thread i suggested she only consider divorce after exploring other options first, trying to make things work for both of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 09:01 PM
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so you never heard the phrase 'beware of gold diggers' growing up? or don't marry a pretty wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:58 PM
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does he want you to have a life outside of him (friends, interests, etc.), or would he prefer that he is your whole life?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:37 PM
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You will utterly destroy your children's lives how will having a miserable parent be good for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:33 PM
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seems like asking him to move, asking for a life path that works for both of you, is a better first approach before resorting to divorce, unless you want out of the marriage no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:32 PM
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beta bucks (have a kid with any of those men and you get lots of money), gold diggers are not sexually aroused by gold, they are just willing to do things for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:28 PM
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power is not sexually arousing, you are being used for you money which i thought red pillers hated.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:39 PM
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raising the age of retirement doesn't do away with it. medical advances / health preventive measure could both lower costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 12:27 AM
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start dating girls or befriending males that are don't trust others, are paranoid/suspicious, let us know how that works out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 10:22 PM
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Men peak around 35 mostly because that's the age at which they'll have the greatest sexual opportunities and the greatest sexual success. based on what data/study? please post it. most attractive people bars (smv central) are not filled with 35yr olds because most 35yr olds are less attractive, less energetic, less with it... (and also more likely to be married/divorced/have-kids).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 08:28 PM
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Personally, I'm of the opinion that power is the most attractive feature to women. than attractive male waiters or struggling musicians would never get sex, which is not the reality. in fact, i bet they get the most sex per capita.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 08:24 PM
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don't post CMV threads if you want/need to control what people say to you. one doesn't have to be a real anything to know you have a distorted view of women/reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 08:18 PM
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best case scenario with no kids, half of what's accrued post marriage data which for most people is not much.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 08:01 PM
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yes, and there are also similarities in how distorted thinking, mistrust, subjective experience can make you misread others and thus mistreat others. do you treat women like they are trustworthy until proven otherwise? i'm sorry i can't mirror you paranoia/suspiciousness/ptsd. do you actually want your viewpoint challenged? what are you doing, have you done, to make sure you have an accurate view of reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 07:57 PM
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it was about how internalized negative narratives (like the one you are choosing to reinforce in your head about women being untrustworthy) are not healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 06:53 PM
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What I meant was that there isn't really any way to determine whether someone will be there during the darkest hours. women are more likely to stick with you in your darkest hour than you (men) are to stick with them. I just have a hard time genuinely trusting people (both men and women) sometimes. and this is more common in depressed and selfish individuals. start addressing those issues (depression with exercise, better monitoring of your health, selfishness with being more considerate of othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 06:52 PM
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novelty (measured by the Big 5 personality trait Openness to Experience) is a basic human reward drive. it's what causes people to not want to stick with the old, to adopt/invent new things/behaviors/routines.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 06:48 PM
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do you believe in travel experiences?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 06:44 PM
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higher taxes (corporate or individual), streamlined medical costs, raise the age of medicare/social security, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 06:43 PM
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for how many years have you been consciously overriding your innate desire to help others?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 06:40 PM
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that's not a very compelling argument. a compelling argument would be that you spend a lot of time volunteering, that you still care about, forgive people even if they mistreat you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 06:39 PM
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have you ever considered the irrationality of generalizing the behavior of all women based on a sample size of one? do you think your experience says more about women than a large sample study which found men 7x more likely to abandon sick partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 06:37 PM
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people that care a lot about others tend to be too trusting, too forgiving/understanding of others (even when they get burned), not cynical. your paranoia, cynicism is not consistent with a considerate person. people that worry about others stabbing them in the back are actually more likely to stab others in the back (read up on the connection between paranoia and violence/selfishness). https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-our-way/201312/paranoia-and-violence
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 02:57 PM
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your post is about fearing being left if you get cancer. since men do it way more (seven times more) it's very plausible you are projecting your own disloyalty onto women. think about that. maybe if you started trying to be a more considerate person, helping others (volunteering?), your perspective (cynical view on life) might change. http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/men-more-likely-to-leave-spouse-with-cancer/?_r=0
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 02:55 PM
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population slowing or dipping is a good thing based on our current environmental management skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 02:48 PM
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do you crumble without sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 02:47 PM
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I don't need to add to that when I know that it's unlikely to ever be reciprocated if they were given the chance. regardless of the nature of women, is it in your nature to want to be supportive of others? is it hard for you to not be helpful to struggling women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 02:13 PM
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people that value progress/evolution do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 01:51 PM
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she's giving you a very clear alternative explanation of why mgtows don't want marriage, i.e. fear of inadequacy/rejection/betrayal. and as someone else on this thread said, men are 7x more likely to leave a partner with cancer than vice versa. so, you might be projecting your own disloyalty on women in fearing they will leave you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 01:49 PM
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I've grown to accept that women could give a fuck less about me if I get to the point where I'm struggling. do you care a lot about struggling women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 01:46 PM
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People will pick up on the fact that you don't give a shit about other people. do you care a lot about other people? do you do a lot of volunteer/charity work?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 01:44 PM
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how are they destroying society?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 11:49 AM
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what do you think of this article/bio on ayn rand - http://nymag.com/arts/books/features/60120/ ?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 03:47 AM
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i'm open to whatever improves society, even if that means less female (or less male) doctors.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 03:27 AM
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i would support equally qualified male nurse candidates getting a hiring edge because their gender is so underrepresented.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 02:57 AM
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is that something you also plan on doing for family members yourself in the future?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 02:56 AM
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Why fix the game, when I can focus on myself and my value? how does it benefit your family member's value to help you / have you live with them rent free?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 02:40 AM
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what's up with red pillers that argue that red pill is totally not about narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 02:36 AM
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Doubtful, on average, because people like this are more likely to be empathetic/considerate of others. So, they are going to avoid and/or stop doing things which hurt others. An unempathetic egomaniac who wants to change the world to suit their ego (ie antisocial or narc) is the kind of person you are describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 02:25 AM
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antisocials/narcs don't care about improving society.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 06:12 PM
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i think more men in female dominated professions would be as good as vice versa. i'm also not pushing for 50/50 as some amount of gender difference is normal in many professions. i just think if two candidates are equal otherwise, the underrepresented gender may have more to offer in overall effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 11:16 PM
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We sometimes talk about how a man has no control of the birth in PPD, in this case she's basically saying any man who even tries to have a vote in what's sad is a misogynist. do you want your ability to get a vasectomy or buy a condom limited by other people (neither of which would limit you as much as a forced pregnancy)? what would you think of people that tried to limit that? Imagine a scenario where a woman tricks you into having a baby against your will (deliberately ignores her pills), dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 10:33 PM
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at what age did you realize your mom was like a dog? do you know what percentage of mental defectives (i.e. very low iq / learning disabilities) are men?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 10:24 PM
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ok, what month do you want to draw the line at? do you actually care about this issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 10:22 PM
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tell us about the qualifications you would like.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 10:21 PM
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why does it matter why she's getting an abortion? are you for putting conditions on abortions? that's what her comment is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 09:03 PM
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seems like you avoidance/dodging of the question suggests you are uncomfortable with women who are more intelligent, talented, and/or physically fit than you. do you feel like a dog when compared with women like that? do you also feel like a dog compared to all the men that are smarter, more talented, and/or fitter than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 08:58 PM
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what do you think of women that are smarter than you? more talented than you? more physically fit than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 08:10 PM
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in any field? or are you talking about a specific field? do you have data to back up those numbers? and you never answered the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 08:04 PM
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would you rather work at a place that was 90% similarly talented men? or at a place that was more a more gender diverse environment of equally talented individuals?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 07:57 PM
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which ever makes for a better functioning society. if selecting more of the under-represented gender does that, then i favor that approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 07:56 PM
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noted, now address my second question. if men and women are equally qualified and a field is highly underrepresented by one gender, is it unfair to select/prefer the female?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 03:11 PM
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ok, now comment on the study posted by the OP. and do you understand how it might be appealing to select an equally qualified female in a field where women are underrepresented?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 02:20 PM
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so we just need more programs and subsidies for poor whites too?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 07:55 PM
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there are lots of studies linking cynicism to negative / unfavorable characteristics. it would be unwieldy to post them all even if i knew them all. maybe you should actually research more and contribute here with that more often. maybe you should be more thankful of people who do if you are too lazy/non-curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 04:10 PM
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so you don't think people are more positive or negative on average? people don't have a individual affect they tend to maintain on average? is a depressive more positive or negative on average? is an optimist more positive or negative on average? researchers who assess people as having more positive affect or more negative affect, are they being foolish? saying someone is more positive is not black or white, because there are nuances between mostly positive and mostly negative, like very positiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 04:05 PM
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i'm about more actual evidence (versus subjective individual opinion) and i read the article/study correctly, you did not. i'm sure sometimes i will misread things, as i'm fallible. feel free to point it out when i do. in this case your point was your misread/misunderstanding. maybe you should shed your notions/biases about me and just read the things i post with a more open mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 04:00 PM
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do you on average have a more positive or negative outlook on life?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 03:12 PM
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No association between cynicism and dementia without confounders mixed in. no, without them filtered out. in the raw data (i.e. with the confounders mixed in) there was no association. only when they removed them (which is what taking into consideration confounders means), is there are a link found. are you capable of admitting you misread things here?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 03:11 PM
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a confounder is an unobserved exposure associated with the exposure of interest and is a potential cause of the outcome of interest. confounders lead to bias that distorts the magnitude of the relationship between two factors of interest (in this case the link between cynicism and dementia). so not taking into consideration confounders (i.e. cynicism mixed with confounders), there was not an association between cynicism and dementia. but when confounders were taken into consideration, filtered o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:43 PM
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are you a cynical person?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:37 PM
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those with the highest level of cynical distrust had higher risk of dementia after adjusting for confounders It makes a direct statement that the cynicism itself WAS NOT to blame for the dementia rate, but the confounders were. that's the opposite of what it's saying. it's saying the confounders suggested a non association. after the adjusting for the confounders they found an association. i suggest calmness when reading, emotion/bias clouds comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:35 PM
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sounds like a good angle to arouse mra interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:30 PM
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why did she need 100k for a finished documentary (much less 100k for an unfinished one)?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:29 PM
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have you even seen this documentary?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:27 PM
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it's pretty awesome how she earned 100k off being attractive to mras.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:26 PM
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your cynicism is not even accurate, i corrected your last misread.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:23 PM
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if you are highly cynical your risk of dementia within the age range of the study is 8.5%, this study shows a 3.13x risk - http://www.neurology.org/content/early/2014/05/28/WNL.0000000000000528
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:22 PM
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if he's not cynical in general, more often than not, then he is not cynical. but i doubt that's the case (having dealt with him before).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:11 PM
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do you think being cynical is a positive, healthy mindset?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:09 PM
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you understand that's a three times higher rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:08 PM
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The point is that people often mischaracterise accurate observation as cynicism, so even if those studies were true (and that’s a huge if), they wouldn’t apply anyway. the point i made is only relevant if you are cynical more often than not. if that's not the case, then you are not cynical.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 12:15 PM
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i take peer review studies that link it to cardiac disease, alzheimer's, depression, and higher mortality a bit more seriously than a quote from any one individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 03:17 AM
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no, it's about having a negative, pessimistic, depressed psychology. it's not associated with good things - http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/120/8/656.full
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 11:52 PM
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cynicism is not a healthy mindset - http://www.counselheal.com/articles/9887/20140528/cynicism-triples-dementia.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 10:58 PM
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feel free to post all the peer-reviewed evidence on ppd.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 09:59 PM
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how much funding? has she ever gotten even close to 100k before?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 09:30 PM
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It's not that you, or I, would lie, per se. It's just that you don't offer up all your views, unsolicited, all the time unless you're looking to pick a fight, or explicitly have a debate. Sometimes people don't like to hear the "views" behind the inevitable actions they entail, yet they still like the actions. are you not more honest with the people closest to you? do you agree or disagree that the more comfortable you are with someone, the more honest you are? and that having to be dishonest, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 08:58 PM
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it's a low budget doc by an unknown, why would it be easy to get 100k for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 08:36 PM
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do you think presenting an edited reality, version of yourself (such as hiding controversial views to avoid making waves) to a partner is better than being more honest? what's your basis for this opinion? any actual evidence other than your personal views/conviction? are you not entirely honest with your wife about your views/beliefs? why? I wonder if SHEs willing to tell HIM about "some tweets under the #yesallmen" or some views SHE might have that he is a "de facto rapist-in-training" ? consid…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 08:26 PM
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You would probably have to keep the "I tell everyone every aspect of my beliefs" attitude hidden from employers and SOs, too. employers maybe, but why would i have to lie to people in my private life? do you have to? Do you think your "honesty" is another way to manipulate (the word not necessarily having a negative connotation, here), just as you seem to imply TRPers want to manipulate? ha, no. in fact, being honest removes a certain amount of control you can have over other people. the reward …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:37 PM
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or she saw an angle to get 100k from mras/redpillers to fund her documentary.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:32 PM
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She knows I'm not a feminist (though she doesn't know how anti-feminist I really am) as i said i don't think he needs to debate her all the time, but i think he is avoiding explaining exactly who he is even one time because he's afraid of her reaction. the only thing he is 100% being is someone who is willing to not be entirely honest if it gets him something he wants (or helps him avoid something he doesn't). you (or someone in this thread) said they are not entirely honest with their boss, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:14 PM
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people often joke about things they are uncomfortable being direct, totally honest about. i don't think you are comfortable admitting your beliefs to her. this allows your real views to stay vague to maintain/preserve whatever else there is. i don't think there is any reason to constantly debate your differences, but why are you unwilling to clarify them at least one time? are you afraid she won't want anything to do with who you actually are?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:09 PM
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We both understand that talking about politics will just be counterproductive and lead to fights. how exactly do you know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:06 PM
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How one acts is a direct reflection of what one believes, isn't it? Especially in these circumstances: how he views women will entirely influence how he relates to them. not necessarily, liars and con men and people who really want to be liked often mask who they actually are to others which usually involves behavioral modification. i can understand why a red piller has to keep their beliefs hidden from an employer (just like racists do), but i don't see why they have to hide it from a significa…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:04 PM
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If I was going out with a girl with similarly opposite views... But we both had agreed not to talk politics (which appears to be the case here)... She wouldn't hear it either. also, where in his post (or this thread) did he state she knows they have opposite views and they have both agreed not to talk about it? his mentioning she suspects nothing, and asking me if i don't hide things from SOs suggests he's just keeping her in the dark.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:46 PM
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no, i have friends and have had SOs i disagree with and we don't constantly go over what we disagree about (that's pointless), but we don't hide our disagreements from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:44 PM
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So are you similarly cool with women not disclosing their pasts if it might rock the boat? Are they being totally who they are by editing how they present themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 05:11 PM
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It's not his job to trawl through his memory for everything that may make her hate him and then puke that all over her with a "Do you hate me now ?" question. Thats not his problem. not accurate, she appears to be often talking about things he has strong opinions on and he withholds his views (hence her not 'suspecting' a thing). he has said he doesn't want to 'rock the boat'. he's consciously catering to her views in withholding things. seems like he values the relationship more than being hims…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 04:50 PM
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he clearly is unsure he can be honest and maintain her interest. that shows a lack of confidence in his desirability at very least.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 04:42 PM
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that's irrelevant to this topic. what's relevant is he hides his beliefs from his SO.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 04:40 PM
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I think if your confidence and sense of self-worth are high enough if you were confident, why wouldn't you share your views/beliefs with her. who cares what she thinks. if she rejects you, that shouldn't effect your confidence. seems like you are not actually very confident, you are scared of the outcome (justifiably or unjustifiably).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 04:21 PM
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No, this guy by his own admission is being who is 100% in front of this woman. no need to debate your point because he acknowledged he's hiding his beliefs from her (and thus not being 100% who he is, unless con man is who he is)... You don't keep any secrets from your SO? https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3qjwmj/ama_im_a_redpiller_whos_in_a_relationship_with_a/cwfy4kq you can like what you know about someone and then dislike them upon finding out stuff they have hidden from you…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 04:18 PM
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i'm not a girl. It's a great relationship - and better yet, she doesn't suspect a thing about me. it's not one subreddit, it's his value/belief system. he defines himself as something he is hiding from his SO. is it alright if women hide their partner counts or hide anything else you might not like?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 04:02 PM
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this guy, by his own admission, is hiding who he is (i.e. not being who he is, unless you want to argue that being a con man is who he is).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 03:47 PM
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yes, i don't hide who i am from people close to me. you are not a red piller in a relationship with a radical feminist girl, you are a guy hiding who he is in a relationship with a radical feminist girl. you are dating her because she's not hiding who she is. she isn't dating you because she doesn't know who you actually are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 03:29 PM
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and better yet, she doesn't suspect a thing about me. if she doesn't know who you actually are then she's not really dating you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 03:16 PM
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Eight years is considered a decent length for a marriage now? for hollywood/famous people marriages, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 03:14 PM
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i didn't live in those eras so who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 12:11 PM
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men have worn heels historically in various eras.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 05:40 AM
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RP is developing yourself into the man. fake it till you make it is a common saying on red pill. if you never make it, it's just faking / pretending. Nobody has a problem with any other forms of self improvement and personal development people don't have a problem with the self improvement aspects of red pill (i.e. become fit, except maybe with over-reliance/over-emphasis on lifting).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 10:54 PM
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"Mild and moderate erectile dysfunction affects approximately 10 percent of men per decade of life (i.e., 50 percent of men in their 50s, 60 percent of men in their 60s)." http://www.uwhealth.org/urology/erectile-dysfunction-ed/20537 i think op's preference for finding a guy without ed issues possibly includes mild and moderate ED sufferers (she didn't really specify).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 08:26 PM
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i'm interested in outlier, fucked-up personality types.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 07:14 PM
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Bona fide, medical erectile dysfunction isn't that common. It becomes more common in older men (like over 60) The University of Wisconsin reports a correlation between the percentage of men affected by ED and their decade in life. For example, approximately 40 percent of men in their 40s have ED, and approximately 50 percent of men in their 50s, etc. http://www.healthline.com/health/erectile-dysfunction/young-men#Prevalence2 A study in the July 2013 Journal of Sexual Medicine suggests that ED is…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 07:13 PM
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isn't red pill filled with weirdos trying to pretend otherwise or become otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 07:02 PM
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sorry mixed this up with another percentage question post. what's your basis for that estimate?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 02:54 AM
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i'm changing his view through the reality of people's reaction to him. if he doesn't like being perceived of as a pathetic loser (thinks of that as a bad thing), he shouldn't get a mail order bride.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 02:24 AM
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Commitment is an unknown variable. so you've been equally clueless about which of the women you've been involved with wanted to commit vs. didn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 02:05 AM
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so you would not have an issue with having sex with someone you orgasm-ed significantly less often with? putting in the same work, got less reward from?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 02:03 AM
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ok, what percentage of women have had at least a few partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 10:55 PM
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it's not about the money and it's not always about the money, are those pretty much the same to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 10:54 PM
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"Most RP men like the idea of a relationship with a RPW. what percentage of rp men even want monogamous relationships vs plates?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 10:31 PM
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i think all those posts relate to the fact that orgasms are not 100% for women, not that they are not important or that as you originally claimed "sex isn't about the orgasm". i think a more accurate statement is "sex isn't always about the orgasm."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 10:28 PM
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attractive people make more money, so unless they controlled for looks that study is hard to assess.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 10:22 PM
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if he can find even a thread of fake women going on about how they don't care about orgasm, i'll give him some credit... but i don't think he can even find that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 10:03 PM
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then i think you are projecting your inability to read others, on others. would you agree women are better at emotional intelligence, reading others than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 10:00 PM
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RP men don't have a lot of problems with the idea of having a RPW as a relationship partner. haha, that's not what i've heard on this subs. seems like rp and rpw have different agendas/values. rpws advocate being honest with a partner (like in the case of cheating), rps advocate dishonesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:59 PM
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if you orgasmed 65%-80% percent of the time in a serious relationship and 40% of the time in casual sex hookups, would you put more effort into being in a serious relationship or stick to casual relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:48 PM
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this topic is about sexual orgasm/pleasure, not about healthy relationships, compatibility. if sexual orgasm was significantly more likely in a serious relationships than casual sex, how much sex would you be having in serious relationships vs casually?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:41 PM
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why do you care about social shame?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:38 PM
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post a thread from reddit then on the topic. if women are all over reddit saying it, it should be pretty easy to find a thread full of women who don't care about orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:30 PM
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but you are more obsessed with looks, than even the average male. are you not going to off yourself when your looks go south?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:28 PM
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so knowing a high quality male will not commit to you when you are medium quality is cynical? i would say cynical is when a high quality female thinks a high quality male won't commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:27 PM
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have you had trouble discerning which women you've been involved with historically wanted something serious versus did not?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:19 PM
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if you orgasm-ed significantly less in casual sex than relationships, which would you prioritize/pursue?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:18 PM
1

so lotto players are healthy hopeful optimists in your mind, less likely to have mental disorders, more likely to report overall happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:17 PM
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you didn't answer the question, if you orgasm-ed much more often in serious relationships than casual sex, which would you prioritize/pursue?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:15 PM
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do you have a link for that study?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:14 PM
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Do women really know that those men won't commit? i thought red pill says women don't care about commitment if the man is high status / attractive enough. is that not true?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:13 PM
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because they know it won't last. most women are interested in workable/viable relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:10 PM
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Er, I also read something like ''rich men make women orgasm more often.'' why don't you post that study.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 08:54 PM
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haha, oh, ok. this data was based on college women fyi.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 08:53 PM
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you familiar with the stats that women reach orgasm twice as often in serious relationships compared to casual hookups - http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/11/women-find-orgasms-elusive-in-hookups/ if you functioned like this, would you focus on casual less pleasurable sex with people out of your league that would not commit or men that would be up for serious relationships, and thus give you more pleasurable sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 08:43 PM
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When it comes solely to sex, women select for raw physical attraction and attractiveness. you familiar with the stats that women reach orgasm twice as often in serious relationships compared to casual hookups - http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/11/women-find-orgasms-elusive-in-hookups/ if you functioned like this, would you focus on casual sex or serious relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 08:41 PM
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that's what all the scientologists i know claim too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 08:31 PM
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Being cooked for and cared for is important to me personally as well. did your mom cook for you a lot growing up, do your laundry, clean your room, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 08:31 PM
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lower quality than them? or lower quality than the best men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 08:29 PM
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what more important to you a girl who shares your interests/intelligence, or being cooked for / cared for?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 06:20 PM
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they would rather select an equal overall match (fairly attractive, fairly career successful female, selects similar) than date up in one particular category in exchange for some advantage they might have (very attractive poor waitress selecting a less attractive but wealthier lawyer).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 06:18 PM
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do you have any data/evidence to back this up? not saying you are wrong, just wondering if this is your opinion or if you have an empirical basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 06:14 PM
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There used to be doctor/nurse, lawyer/secretary type pairings in the past -- they were at least as common as in-class pairings, if not moreso -- but now those class barriers are generally not crossed for long-term pairings (short-term pairings are a different story, but they tend to arise in different contexts as well). but wasn't the because men did not have the option to select female doctors, female lawyers? male doctors and lawyers could still marry nurses and secretaries if they wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 06:10 PM
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Significantly enough that you cannot make comparisons? Yes, i doubt that. I really don't understand your certainty on this issue either since you really haven't done much to explain yourself. Posturing (they are SO unrelated, how can you be SO ignorant) is not very informative, nor constructive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 04:06 PM
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why are the afrikaners not european?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 02:01 PM
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yes, if you would, examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 02:00 PM
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you said white south african society and western society are similar. who built the sa legal system?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 01:59 PM
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"we're just misunderstood" - goth or red piller (or goth red piller)?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 01:53 PM
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The small white English speaking population (responsible for the legal system) is more similar to Western society.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 01:43 PM
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The small white English speaking population is more similar to Western society. who created the justice/criminal system that tried oscar?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 01:43 PM
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ok, explain that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 01:42 PM
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ok, explain that then. it's not really meaningful to make a blanket statement with out any explanation / evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 01:42 PM
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that sa culture and usa culture are totally unrelated? if so, explain how that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 01:41 PM
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where are these wild assumptions i've made?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 01:40 PM
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if you have to suppress your nature, you are not very dominant.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 05:18 AM
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maybe
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 05:12 AM
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that's a narrow viewpoint too, it could have been the country's paranoia over home invasion. it could also have been society and/or south africa being biased towards males. if it's the latter, red pillers should all move there (if they hate female biased society so much).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 05:11 AM
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light sentences and guilty as fuck don't tend to coexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 05:05 AM
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if i have real power over others / society, i should be able to do whatever i want (think Qaddafi, Hussein, even Trump to some degree). if i have to pretend to be something i'm not to maintain my social power, i'm operating from a position of weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 05:03 AM
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yes, it doesn't make sense from the red pill narrative that a guy would get off so easily killing a female, since the world is biased against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 04:59 AM
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why would a truly dominant person have to suppress their nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 04:58 AM
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that's plausible, but this thread is more about what the treatment of him (only getting five years, house arrest after one) says about society in general, or just south africa's treatment of men? red pillers are always going on about how horrible men have it in this female biased society, so i'm wondering if this is an exception to that or another example of that? or is south africa a male biased society? or is this just an outlier case....
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 04:57 AM
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where did i say they had the same history? same norms? same cultural attitudes? the only thing i argued against was docxteeths claim that the cultures are totally unrelated (which i stand by). they certainly have a similar long term history, as both american culture and south african culture are of European dissent. i'm open to legit arguments for why SA and USA culture are so different as to be totally unrelated, but despite making that claim docxteeth never backed it up with any meaningful arg…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 04:54 AM
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i doubt you know enough about cultural differences to make that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 04:14 AM
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were your parents racists or are you the first generation?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 04:12 AM
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so what does it say about their culture then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 04:11 AM
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how different do you think male/female dynamics, social dynamics, are in south africa compared to the united states? if you think they are too different to be relevant to american/europeans, please explain why? if not, your argument is invalid.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 03:48 AM
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ha, i've read that humans in south africa share most of our dna. they even have similar technology, social behaviors. i think most even live in what we call 'houses'.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 03:39 AM
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point one: op never said he is not monogamous, op said "capable of having casual sex"(which doesn't mean has casual sex) and "he has the characteristics or potential to provide security and protection as a father/LTR partner" it's a gray area description at best. point two: please explain point two, what you've currently written is unclear.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 10:08 PM
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that's how researchers use the term, don't get caught up in the lay man's definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 09:55 PM
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if you believe it's male nature to sleep around, how dominant is a male that goes along with monogamy, supplicates his nature? not incredibly dominant, i would guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 09:54 PM
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of women, while at the same time, he has the characteristics or potential to provide security and protection as a father/LTR partner. In addition, this man also has the intellectual potentia if it's male nature to sleep around, than to adopt monogamy is a bow, supplication to society. that's not very dominant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 09:05 PM
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it means valuing them as equally important, do you value other people's interests as equal to yours? do you avoid taking advantage of others, even if you can get away with it and it benefits you? do you tend to trust people unless they have betrayed you? tit for tat involves starting with a trusting/cooperative bias, and only betraying if someone betrays you. the typical human assumes other humans are going to play fair because most do, that's why human society has been successful. this is why w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 08:59 PM
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most humans and animals are wired to do what's good for the group, because group survival is what makes a species survive, not individual survival. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Evolution_of_Cooperation http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/26/rationing-ravens-merciful-monkeys-can-animals-be-altruistic
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 08:41 PM
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Here, you are saying that someone is defective if they hold certain things important, things that you do not. My goal is to get the most for me and mine, not to build a 'more functional world'. if you don't care about a more functional world, i would say you are defective from an evolutionary fitness standpoint. a society of people that are individually selfish and don't care about the functionality of the overall human race is going to be less fit for survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 08:14 PM
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do you think donald trump has emotions/reactions that are more like an adult or more like a teenager? One can just as easily claim that they realize their sexual destiny, and are actually more developed than those who buy into the extraneous shit that isn't fucking. yeah, so you can discuss why you think having sex is more or less important than artistic endeavors, scientific endeavors, charity work, etc.. just because something is really important to you, doesn't mean it's objectively important…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 07:59 PM
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yes, i consider donald trump a less developed human being. he has the emotional development of an adolescent. further, without his dad's money, he wouldn't even be what you call 'high status' which really calls into question the real value of 'high status'.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 07:48 PM
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You can be "not desperate" but still very interested. i think interested in normal, very interested might start to enter abnormal / obsessive / addictive territory. And, personally, abundance mentality is very hard to cultivate then try to cultivate diversion, focusing your mind / energy on things other than your sex drive, like any number of things that make humans interesting (art, science, volunteer work, etc.), and subsequently more attractive for people to want to have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 07:34 PM
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i heard something to the effect that 'sex is opera for the dumb' (although, i think you can be smart and shallow/undeveloped and also have this line apply to you). sex is fun/pleasurable but there is so much more to life than that, and sex isn't without cons either. i think if you are ruled by your sex drive, you are likely less developed as a human being and/or there is some faulty wiring issues in you (that you should stop reinforcing). considering you are more likely to get sex if you are not…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 07:11 PM
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See, this is why TRP gets it right -- appearance does matter. yeah, trp is like the only one that thinks that. that's why movies and magazines are filled with uggles, and everyone that got the most romantic attention was not necessarily attractive. i can't get to the ideas if i can't stand the presentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 07:03 PM
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His voice is annoying. i thought so too. i tried to figure out why because it's very articulated, broadcast friendly on one level. i think this issue is that it sounds like gps, text to voice speech which has an unnatural cadence, because the reader (computer) has no sense/understanding of what they are saying and lacks typical human speech flow/variation/emphasis. very odd considering that this is a human speaking, and not a computer/gps/siri. i think he's reading a pre-written script, but that…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 06:25 PM
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you know the new dataset operates on a different system than the old, whereas the old vizit focused on who posted (and where they were subbed, i.e. red pillers subbed to both red pill and nxxxxx), this new one focused on common hyperlinks between subs. "A visualisation of the subcommunities of Reddit, with associations defined by the cross-posting (known as an 'xpost') of common content (link posts only). For example, if two subreddits both had links to a particular YouTube video posted to them,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 01:35 PM
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can you google a psych article into existence that says certain thinkers are more intelligent/accurate than speculative thinkers?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 10:31 PM
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so red pill is a much different sub now is your argument? i don't have a problem with that argument (but i'm not sure i agree with it).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 10:28 PM
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10 times as many based on 13k your low estimate, why are you erring on the side of your low estimate (is that your MO?). oct 2013 was two years ago and not two and half, again why are you constantly erring on the side of dishonestly (consciously or unconsciously) minimizing data you don't like? is that your MO? the actual subscriber base was 19k fyi - https://web.archive.org/web/20131025124804/http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/ which of the sub associations do you question in the original data?…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 10:26 PM
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no, i think the sub associations it finds tend to be valid based on an adequate sample of 1000 posts (and requiring the poster to have 10 posts on that sub), but 1000 posts isn't going to find every association, or the same association every time, so different ones will appear depending on what 1000 posts are grabbed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 10:07 PM
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haha, i think you are too certain about what you think to see reality as accurately as anyone more speculative.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 10:05 PM
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i'm just curious how your mind operates. i would not presume to think evidence resides there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 09:52 PM
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20k is not insignificant (or even 13k, which is ppd's size). that's your thesis and i find it flawed. you also seem to be dodging the fact that both samples involve the same process of taking 1000 posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 09:51 PM
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you think men who associate with a sex strategy sub have average sex interest? do you also think people who sub to various interest subs on reddit are not more interested in those sub topics than average?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 09:46 PM
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it's hard for most people to believe red pillers believe what they do, it's so absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 09:38 PM
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no there is a plausible possible connection between feminism, vegetarianism, and depression, and a similarly plausible possible connection between red pill, sex obsession, and narcissism. your first example is nonsense, the next two are not though. almost nothing is 100% proven such that an argumentative unreasonable person could not claim 'but that's not proven', but reasonable people understand there is a large gap between no relationship and totally proven relationship. seems like you want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 09:34 PM
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you don't understand that you are spinning the new data as more valid with a limited understanding. both data points are based on 1000 posts grabbed each time. the first time those 1000 posts are a larger percentage of all posts, and thus more representative of the entire sub (at least at that time). the second time they are a smaller percentage, less representative. do you dispute that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 09:25 PM
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this was a specific question that i answered, and then when i asked him the same type of question he didn't. context is relevant. if the connection between feminism, vegetarianism, and depression has validity, so likely does the connection between red pill, sex obsession, and narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 09:18 PM
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you don't understand the extraction model if you believe that. read my posts and read the description of the extraction model. there could still be racist sub associations presently and the extraction model didn't find them because it's based on 1000 posts that change every iteration, and are not necessarily representative enough to find every sub association.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 09:15 PM
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No. The rules say 10 posts on each. If they're not keeping their own rule the whole dataset is useless. the thousand posts extracted is going to be different every iteration and this introduces randomness in what sub associations are found. just because it found racist and fat hating sub associations last time and not this time, doesn't mean those earlier associations are invalid or that they no longer exist in the present red pill demo. No, I'm taking issue with YOU personally HAND PICKING the …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 09:10 PM
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tell me more about the race red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 07:17 PM
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if you notice, i answered his question on the link between being vegetarian / feminism and having issues. i was hoping for a similar level of debate etiquette.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 07:07 PM
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that's a question i posed for alreadyredschool, but you can answer it too if you want to be part of this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 06:12 PM
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Taibo, it's not speculation that it's cherry picked. I've given you better, more recent, more relevant data... And you won't use it because you're cherry picking whatever data you can use to make RP "look bad" and the better data doesn't give you that handle. no, that was the data i had to begin with. i didn't know there was a more recent iteration of that web app. the original post was 'what does this say about red pill, let's discuss', not 'red pill is xyz'. you don't want to even discuss what…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 06:11 PM
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i don't understand why they didn't mention that issue in the blog post, other than self interested issue that it kind of nullifies the value of the post/data (and they were more interested in that). it's especially funny/ironic that that flawed post/data has become one of the most commonly cited evidence for red pill truths.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 05:57 PM
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if they were not alpha widows, what's an alternative explanation for how they were/behaved?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 05:02 PM
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Now I look back and realize they were just alpha widows what's the alternative explanation?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 04:56 PM
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red pillers totally ignore the flaws of that okcupid study and the fact that no other study exists that has remotely similar data (and likely will keep posting/defending that blog post as fact). with behavior like that, it's clear red pillers are not actually interested in truth, are more driven by selection and confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 04:55 PM
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No I'm concentrating on showing how you are cherry picking data, not reading and understanding your links before you post them, and are just the kind of PPD poster who does this ALL THE TIME. that's your argument, but i don't think it's valid. i think the link between red pill and racism is far more common and credible than your idea/speculation that it's cherry picked, an anomaly, or a rare side effect of an outlier group having lots of different outlier views.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 04:33 PM
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other red pillers have had the honesty on this thread to admit there is a link. you either are just clueless about the link or are being dishonest. Frankly, I don't even know if that link is a bad thing what does that mean? you think a link between red pill and racism would not be a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 03:55 PM
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i've long said being too selfless is just as much of mental disorder as being too selfish. so, it doesn't surprise me that vegetarians who are more likely to be too selfless, have more issues than average. people that are sex obsessed are more likely to be narcissists (i.e. have a mental disorder). what does that say about red pillers? http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/10/01/internet_psychology_study_says_narcissists_watch_more_porn_online.html
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 03:49 PM
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Once someone develops a sensible attitude in one area (gender relations/sex) it becomes more likely they develop a sensible attitude in other areas (race relations, bodily health). so /r/n****** was a sensible subreddit? Males are better than females, whites and asians are better than the slave/barbarian races, and fit people are better than fat people. That's the simple truth that libcuck indoctrination spends 99% of its energy trying to conceal: some people are just better than others. are asi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 03:02 PM
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for what you know is true. what do you know is true?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 02:59 PM
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Just a shame that there is nothing there you can spin into your desired shaming campaign. i find it odd you can't even address the possibility of a link, every response you have made is focused on downplaying the possibility of a link. i guess at least that means that you think a link is a bad thing. so, that's good.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 02:58 PM
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feminists tend to be more concerned with the quality of life of others (human and animal), not eating animals is an extension of that. having answered that, address your take on the link between red pill and racism?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 02:55 PM
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So you ignored the new data from when our base was 90k, and went with the old data so you could smear TRP better. no, i'm ignoring the lack of a racist link in the new data because most of those subs were banned (also i didn't know about the newer iteration of this webapp). and if 20k is tiny, what is 90k? seems like are you are focusing on anything to avoid addressing the link. maybe the new red pill isn't racist, but if so, what changed. Well, I'll be sure to bring that up with the old timers.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 12:55 PM
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It seems your map of reddit is out of date as upon visiting that niggers sub I found it had been closed for 2 years. I'm guessing there is a tiny number who used both sites 2 years ago. tiny number? ha, is that really your story of how the two are linked. I could also ask why TBP is also closely linked to "AgainstMensRights", but I won't. i think that's obvious. Concerning /r/fatpeoplestories .... ? .... Maybe they like posting/reading fat people stories ? you should check out that sub if you th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 12:42 PM
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Would you turn down a woman that was better looking than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 06:15 PM
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How do women that are way more talented and intelligent than you make you feel about yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 06:09 PM
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Does red pill profess putting your interests before, ahead of the interests of others?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 06:06 PM
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If a better looking than you female was so drunk she wanted to have sex with you, would you turn her down?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 06:00 PM
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You didn't answer the casual sex part of the question
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 05:57 PM
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so then mgtow is not a legit option then?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 10:58 PM
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how much time have you spent on there to come to this conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 04:33 AM
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wasn't asking for studies, was just asking what are the red pill foundation(s) that most of science agrees with? There's also studies that show that promiscuous women are more likely to divorce, cheat, commit paternity fraud, and have a harder time pair bonding. most of the above is true for promiscuous men as well, which implies it's a flawed human character issue more than a gender one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 12:41 AM
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emotional stability/instability is orthogonal to agreeableness/accommodation (which is a measure of being more other interested than self interested), i.e. unstable people are not more or less likely to be self interested. dark triad types actually score as lower in emotional stability and lower in agreeableness (i.e. higher in selfishness).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 12:21 AM
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so what's the foundation(s) of red pill for you that's generally supported by science?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 12:16 AM
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it's good to read all studies critically, just that red pillers seem to only do that with studies that don't fit their narrative. you could have argued the study was poorly constructed (and might have if the results contradicted your beliefs), but you agreed with the results (because conveniently they pointed to a direction you approve) and then went further by suggesting they are probably watered down, understated because of a liberal agenda of the researchers. how does that make you appear? wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 12:10 AM
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are all studies sugar coated and flawed or just the ones that don't exactly agree with your subjective individual beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 11:55 PM
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in the long run, ugly mean/selfish people finish last, ugly nice people finish second to last.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 04:19 PM
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Any good psychologist will tell you that things like personality disorders aren't black and white and would never claim that there are any clear distinctions. they are not black and white, but there are clear enough distinctions, that's why they have separate ones. what you refer to as blurring together, overlap is the tendency they have to inter-correlate. positive and negative affect intercorrelete but they are still distinct enough that they are measured, and considered as separate / differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 03:45 PM
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sociopath = antisocial personality, i've read the dark triad research which is the newest research on the topic, sociopath/antisocial, narcissist, and machiavellian are distinctly different. what's the basis for your understanding on what sociopath means?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 01:02 PM
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i've seen his movie and i've read a lot of research on the topic. he's more of an expert on getting his name out there than anything else. if he's your source for what sociopath means, he's duped you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 01:02 PM
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he's a self made internet 'expert'. not saying he's not a useful resource on the narcissistic/sociopathic perspective, but he doesn't do any actual research, or have any training. all his work/ideas stem from him being a narcissist/sociopath. actual researchers who do dark triad research have delineated narcissism, antisocial-ness/sociopathology, and machiavellianism as three fairly distinct traits (there is some intercorrelation). basically sociopaths err on the side of selfishness/callousness …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 12:43 PM
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if you are just selfish/callous and don't have a habitual need/desire for others to find you attractive, then you are just a sociopath. and many narcissists are morons, buying into the same delusions of grandeur about themself they try to sell others on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 12:43 PM
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litigation and calling out racists, hate groups publicly are both ways to influence society. if groups educate people that red pill is bad for society, people with an association to red pill / red pill ideas are less likely to be elected, which means red pill values will be less represented in our laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 02:31 AM
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they do try to change laws presently via legal actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 02:17 AM
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if it would have advanced their agenda, they would have, but pointing out how fucked up racists were would not have been a good strategy back when most people (or at least most southerners) were racists. in today's political climate, calling out racists, misogynists, and other hate groups is effective. that's why civil rights groups like the southern poverty law center do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 02:01 AM
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do you think blue pillers are trying to change red pillers minds? i think they are just pointing out how crazy/toxic/hateful red pillers are, similar to how civil rights groups like the southern poverty law center expose hate groups to the general public.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 01:37 AM
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sure, but racist policies were a reflection of racist views in the population. if civil rights activists really cared about what white southerners wanted, they would have left things as they were. the fact is, they disregarded the feelings of racist white southerners to pursue their own agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 11:48 PM
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segregationists were/are a hate group, red pill is a hate group. what they have in common is hating a particular group of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 11:38 PM
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i said i don't like hate groups, i don't remember ranking them in murderous-intent/evil level.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 11:13 PM
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ha, i answered some of them. that's all you should expect from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 10:41 PM
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if i find it relevant i will. i find it interesting you think of black people as some uniform group that will have the same response to things. is this how you view men, women? how do you feel about the black lives matter movement?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 10:39 PM
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ha, i do, is this where we compare how many black people we know?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 10:33 PM
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You have to show me I'm wrong Taibo no, you were the one that originally made the claim that i don't put as much effort into our interactions. so, that's your claim to prove. I change my mind. Shit, in the past 18m post discovering RP do you not think I've changed positions on a range of issues ? like what? and were you as certain about your beliefs pre red pill as your are about red pill? do you always err on the side of thinking whatever you currently believe is totally right? I was BP I am RP…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 10:31 PM
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No I'm not. Let me guess, I'm right. How you told any black people about your comparison? Please let me know if you do. how often do you tell people in the real world, friend, family, work people of your red pill views? please let me know if you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 10:23 PM
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Right but the civil rights movement was voting rights, murders, protection of the law, not hate. it was about removing power from people that hated them. MLK said he didn't care how white people felt about him, he just wanted the law to do something when they hit him. doesn't mean everyone in the civil rights movement shared that view. You can be a victim without shitting on so many people who fought and suffered and died over the course of decades for the right to be treated as not merely 3/5 a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 10:01 PM
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i think they are sociopathic, it's all about using women for personal gain. i think a narcissist actually enjoys when people like them (even if they don't care about the people), not sure the OP does, it's just a means to an end, an angle to exploit (i.e 'saw my dad get a lot of rewards out of charm, so i will try this charm thing').
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 09:54 PM
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i think your recall of the past is selective or faulty. i've put in about as much effort in our interactions as you have. i can't say that will continue though as i don't think you are capable of admitting when you are wrong and everyone is wrong sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 09:50 PM
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you pick and choose like most, which is entirely reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 09:41 PM
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i answered one of your questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 09:27 PM
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So I'm me. And I use groups to help to describe to you what that is. has red pill had an effect on the person you are? How do you feel about your high dark triad score ? how are 7th, 13th, and 23rd percentiles high scores? And is group identification important to you? no, i tend to be quite against group identification, but maybe that's my bias or there is just no groups i'm a fan of.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 09:13 PM
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Good. As I said above. We need a suicidal rear guard. We're stretching our hand out to brothers. They can come aboard and live. We only want those who want to do it. are you familiar with the term delusions of grandeur? Over here you're a necessary cog my friend. do you like your cog status in society? We're having fun. is group identification important to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 08:24 PM
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people dying, isn't the the requirement for a hate group, i hope you learn/understand that. of course considering crazy incel groups use many of the same terms / ideas as red pill, red pill shares a point of view with men that have killed (rodgers). and revenge against women posts are the most common upvoted post on trp.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 08:20 PM
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sociopath, short for antisocial personality is different from narcissism. a narc is basically a sociopath that wants others to like them, cares about their social image, not all sociopaths are narcs. a non-narcissistic sociopath is not always selling themselves, i.e. not always charming.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 08:16 PM
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the similarity is hatred towards a specific a group, the general idea that the hated group is better off in a more powerless position (that women were better off when they had more limited employment options, when their main option for survival was marriage).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 08:11 PM
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And our advertising is.... You. ppd and bp is much smaller than trp or red pill blogs, so trp, red pill blogs have far more advertising reach. most people don't care about red pill because it's too crazy, inconsequential to matter. non red pillers that find red pill interesting are outliers. who in ppd, bp land puts remotely the amount of effort that many red pillers put in disseminating their message?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 07:54 PM
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i'm comparing hate groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 07:48 PM
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Male camaraderie is naturally stronger than female camaraderie. is this why women tend to exercise in groups and men tend to exercise alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 07:45 PM
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this is why i never understand when red pillers defend, talk up red pill. if red pill really works, all they do by talking it up, defending it, is compromise their advantage, waste time interacting with ignorant people when they could be enjoying their advantage. it's like publishing the location of a treasure, or arguing with people who don't believe it's real. and when you observe how angry red pillers tend to be, you think is this the behavior of people in possession of a working life improve…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 07:41 PM
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Hillary clinton is an example of a selectively charming politician.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 07:33 PM
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did the civil rights movement lack empathy for segregationists?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 07:29 PM
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The wrost sociopaths I know (politicians) are charming 100% of the time. no, they are only charming when they think it benefits them, to be charming at any other time is charity and sociopaths are not charitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 07:26 PM
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Wait, you base your knowledge on a study? versus personal anecdotal opinion, yes. just because it was cold today doesn't make me think the world is experiencing global cooling... or just because i'm attracted to crazy women, doesn't mean attractive women are crazy. Come with a meta study or I don't believe you. this study reproduced the results of an earlier study, so it's not one lone study. I think that connection is a bit far fetched. Or it really depends on what counts as emotional stability…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 04:08 PM
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short answer: no confidence correlates with emotional stability which correlates to physical health and physical symmetry. unless you think hotter girls are less physically healthy, less symmetrical than unattractive girls, your theory doesn't make sense, hold up. insecure women are in fact less symmetrical, less attractive, and less physically and psychologically healthy than more secure, confident women. "More facially asymmetrical participants in our two independent samples report more psycho…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 03:14 PM
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Your being totally ignorant to the vast number of gold diggers who are in there early 20's who get married to older men, and lots of high status males with former playmates/ strippers. actual empirical data reality check - http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/whats-the-average-age-difference-in-a-couple/ Ever been to a college frat party? how many frat parties have you actually been to in your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 12:38 PM
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fair critique, my turn, red pill disingenuously picks and chooses evo bio concepts they buy into because evolution has selected for cooperativeness and yet red pill pushes selfishness, the idea that alphas are selfish, that caring about others is a weakness, when selfishness is an unattractive handicapping trait that you can only get away with if you are super hot, and even then a super hot person that's not a jerk is going to be more desirable than you to most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 09:00 PM
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attractive guy, similar results - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxyySRgrYsU
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 06:58 PM
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none of those models likely went to eton, or have any developed skillset. they are on the level of an att worker as far as intellectual skills. seal is dating way less talented but more attractive women, adele is dating someone of similar looks and accomplishments. sounds like both seal and adele are getting / attracting their, overall, equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 06:18 PM
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if 1000 girls said no, how could the cc be real, where is this evidence of uncontrolled female promiscuity?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 06:09 PM
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in reality her boyfriend is an eton educated former high level investment banker that now runs a non profit - http://adele.wikia.com/wiki/Simon_Konecki
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 06:07 PM
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A really attractive man with no status is like a really accomplished but ugly woman. no, hot waiters get attractive women, ugly female ceos don't get attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 03:18 PM
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It feels like a desperate plea for help. that's how i feel about the red pillers that hang here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 07:17 PM
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hatred / negativity / negative affect compromises your immune system. i question how great you can become with a compromised immune system. http://pristinehealth.qwestoffice.net/linked/negative%20life%20events,%20stress%20and%20immune%20response.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 05:20 PM
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how would you rate yourself on these items? I am helpful and unselfish with others. I have a forgiving nature. I start quarrels with others. I am considerate and kind to almost everyone. I like to cooperate with others. I'm sometimes rude to others. I tend to find fault with others. I'm generally trusting. I can be cold and aloof. answer rating key 1 Disagree strongly 2 Disagree a little 3 Neither agree nor disagree 4 Agree a little 5 Agree Strongly
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 10:18 PM
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"trolling correlated positively with sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism, using both enjoyment ratings and identity scores."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 10:12 PM
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For men, it is more likely to indicate substance abuse disorders
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 09:59 PM
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I highly doubt those studies would have been so focused. i highly doubt you can know much about that without examining them. if you search in google the title of a study along with 'pdf', you can often find free full text versions of the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 09:15 PM
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read the troll study and compare both of our results with their findings.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 09:13 PM
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it's a validated research inventory that is measuring three distinct dark triad traits that a personality test website has posted for people to take for their own amusement/curiosity. about 60 studies have used this inventory - https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=14604613518643765307&as_sdt=5,26&sciodt=0,26&hl=en here's one on online trolling behavior - http://newspaper23.com/ripped/2014/12/http-_____-___-_scottbarrykaufman___-com__-_wp-content__-_uploads__-_2014__-_02__-_trolls-just-want-t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 08:54 PM
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here's all the research studies that have used this inventory (some of which include real world behavioral implications) - https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=14604613518643765307&as_sdt=5,26&sciodt=0,26&hl=en
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 08:52 PM
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no, but you can assume there's an error rate in what i say, just like anyone else. i historically have said red pill is narcissistic/sociopathic, but maybe it's more machiavellian. all three intercorrelate, so they share related issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 07:57 PM
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ha, that's very self serving logic. you are not accounting for you own subjectivity / error proneness in making certain statements like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 07:37 PM
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Right, so even if you're wrong about others you're still not wrong and it's their fault for not understanding themselves or what it means to live to serve others. Nice setup you have there. Do you think your narcissistic traits prevent you from understanding other people's point of view? Because I don't think there's much to misunderstand about what it means to "serve others" and it seems far more likely to me that you're just making more assumptions as usual. there's an error rate in everything…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 07:35 PM
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you can't be something if you don't agree with the core values in my opinion. in any case, i don't think the burning bush is a core christian value, but jesus is the son of god is. Do you get to dictate how someone else self-identifies? If so, why? no, they can say they are whatever they want, but i can say they are a not a real red piller if they don't agree with core red pill values. just like you can say i'm not a real objective person if you want (even if i self identify as that). this is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 07:04 PM
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By learning that occasionally you need to put yourself first if you want to end up happy and not resenting the other people in your life. where does red pill say that putting yourself first is an occasional thing, versus the rule/goal?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:52 PM
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i'm right that high big 5 agreeableness scorers self rate highly on 'i live to serve others', i could be wrong that that actually means they live to serve others (they could be lying to themselves, they could not understand what serve others means, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:49 PM
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i know from my research that high big five agreeableness scorers self rate highly on the item 'i live to serve others' so i'm comfortable saying they live to serve others. i think your inability to understand that sentiment speaks to where you probably exist on the big 5 agreeableness spectrum (i.e. your lower altruism level).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:39 PM
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that's not an answer to my question. if you are not going to answer my questions, you can't expect me to bother answering yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:31 PM
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altruistic people live to serve others, that's consistent with what i said.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:23 PM
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That's fair. But it doesn't change you projecting your incorrect and biased assumptions onto them as a whole. is putting yourself before others a core red pill value? can you be red pill and prefer to put others first?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:23 PM
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how would someone who valued putting others first agree with rp core values?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:21 PM
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where did i say weak willed?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:20 PM
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"In the assessment of Costa and Mc-Crae (1995) and McCrae et al. (2005), an agreeable person was described as associated with high level of trustworthiness whereas non-agreeable person was assumed manipulative, pessimistic and self-serving" http://www.academia.edu/10539208/THE_IMPACT_OF_BIG_FIVE_PERSONALITY_TRAITS_ON_SALESPEOPLE_S_PERFORMANCE_EXPLORING_THE_MODERATING_ROLE_OF_CULTURE what's the opposite of self-serving?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:15 PM
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Which is why I'm saying that your constant assumptions about 130,000+ people are incorrect. your assumption that the subscriber account of trp equals the number of real red pillers is a constant incorrect assumption on your part. They are not a uniform mass as you believe, all in lockstep agreement about their values. if you don't buy into core red pill values, you are not a real red piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:10 PM
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do you believe people are basically honest, decent, and trustworthy? "In Table 3, relations between Big Five scores and the dark triad measures revealed significant and substantial negative correlations with the Big Five factor of Agreeableness (-.32, -.44, and -.24, respectively). " http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.469.585&rep=rep1&type=pdf "Agreeableness reflects individual differences in concern with cooperation and social harmony. Agreeable individuals value getting a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:08 PM
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"In Table 3, relations between Big Five scores and the dark triad measures revealed significant and substantial negative correlations with the Big Five factor of Agreeableness (-.32, -.44, and -.24, respectively). " http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.469.585&rep=rep1&type=pdf "Agreeableness reflects individual differences in concern with cooperation and social harmony. Agreeable individuals value getting along with others. They are therefore considerate, friendly, generous,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:06 PM
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if you score super low on dark triad, you are not a real red piller. because the opposite of dark triad is being accommodating, agreeable, selfless, empathetic, people pleasing, servile to others. you can't be like that and put yourself first as red pill values / teaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:59 PM
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so you are even keeled, stable and consistent people pleaser? because scoring the opposite of dark triad makes you high on big 5 accommodation / agreeableness, which is what people pleasers score as, which suggests you live to help / serve others. is that the kind of person you are?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:56 PM
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nice selective / dishonest quote edit, here's the full one for reality / context i think they are dark triading their answers/results or red pill is full of doormats and people pleasers as some red pillers have claimed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:53 PM
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Or perhaps I'm just a more even-keeled even-keeled would yield a middle of the bell curve score unless you think 90% of the population is more dark triad than you. if that's the case, prepare for a life of victimization by being such a trusting people pleasing outlier. Similarly, I can be selfless without being codependent. i totally agree. a person can be a people pleaser without being codependent. codependency has more to do with emotional instability / neuroticism. negative, pessimistic, angr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:50 PM
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especially odd since not one red piller scored under 50% percentile on the mach iv test posted a few days ago and now suddenly some are scoring like red cross volunteers on this one. i think they are dark triading their answers/results or red pill is full of doormats and people pleasers as some red pillers have claimed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:43 PM
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Or maybe I'm just nicer to people in general than you are. that's possible, if we are to believe these results, i'm nicer than 80%+ of people, and you are nicer than 90%+ people. if your results are accurate to who you are, that would suggest you are even more likely to be a selfless, people pleasing doormat than me (as dark triad correlates to big 5 agreeableness/accommodation which measures selflessness/selfishness).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:41 PM
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Yes, a 23rd percentile narc, that's me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:26 PM
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Yeah, based on your results, you are even more of a blue pill doormat than me. Better update your flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:24 PM
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this is reminding me how bad red pillers are at humor (and makes me wonder why that is).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 03:33 PM
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11th percentile means, 89 percent of people score higher than you. you are the opposite of dark triad, based on your scores.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 03:14 PM
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based on this test, neither of us are narcissistic. although, when it comes to negative traits, peer reports tend to be more accurate. Can I go drag out the rest of the narcissistic personality disorder handbook and apply it to you because you scored higher than me ? do you recall when i explained the difference between narcissistic personality style and clinical narcissism (npd)? saying someone is narcissistic is not the same as saying they have npd. as further reminder, it's similar to the dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 03:13 PM
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Narcissism 2.1 23 Machiavellianism 1.8 15 Psychopathy 1.3 7
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 02:40 PM
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i had no idea what you mean, hence my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 09:52 PM
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and no longer have a sex drive / sexuality?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 07:08 PM
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the mbti claims to describe who people are in general, this test is only a research measure of machiavellian personality traits (one aspect of personality). they are not remotely the same thing. mbti was not developed as a research tool either. the original author intended it to measure two things, high mach, and low mach (10 items each), researchers since then have found it measures 3-4 factors actually, but all of these items intercorrelate (which suggests a single common superfactor). there i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 11:32 PM
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this is not a personality system, just a trait test developed for research purposes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 11:08 PM
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intp, although that's a shoddy personality system.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 05:56 PM
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oh, don't worry, i'd already planned on posting that next.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 05:49 PM
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do you think red pillers think being machiavellian is a negative thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 04:41 PM
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I look out for my own interests. And I tell others to play by rules I don't feel obliged to adher to. how do you rationalize that in your mind? I don't like to lie to people and I keep it to a minimum, but if I fucked up royally like cheating I wouldn't make it even worse by not lying. you must be prone to think that others might be the same making it impossible to really trust anyone, all because you yourself are untrustworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 03:20 PM
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your facebook friends say more about you (the circles you've chosen to be in, the type of people you are related to) than most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 02:42 PM
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machs are about getting ahead, attaining power. there is no real power to be had here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 02:34 PM
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and you are willing to rob others of real happiness by engaging in deception, pretending to be something you are not. as long as you are fine with significant others lying to you, betraying you and concealing it, then there is nothing inconsistent about your view. you are a deceitful person who is fine with others being that way. but if you are not cool with that, you are just selfish hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 02:31 PM
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not at all actually, evolution has tons of evidence, is predictive of how we are. maslows theory has very limited evidence in comparison. but since you believe in evolution, evolutionary theory supports the idea most people are trustworthy, that we have evolved to be cooperative, trusting. you believe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 01:26 PM
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people (men and women) that are more attractive are more likely to have an attractiveness fixation, but are not necessarily selfish. narcissism is attractiveness fixation + selfishness. so it's not accurate to assume attractive women are narcissistic. ''you pose for fucking playboy, why would you have low self-esteem?'' it doesn't surprise me that a model would have self esteem issues. it's a not a very good profession for most people. if you are attractive and have other things going for you, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 01:12 PM
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ha, this speaks to the reality that untrustworthy types are the ones most likely to think others are untrustworthy. interestingly, this is why paranoid types are more likely to be violent than average, because they preemptively strike against others, thinking others are a threat to them, going to harm them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 01:05 PM
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Even sexier when astoundingly hot women mask their narcissism with low self-esteem. people like that are known as covert or inverted narcissists, and they actually have both narcissism and low self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 01:00 PM
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haha, ok. read up on tit for tat theory, evolution of cooperation, most people are trustworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 12:56 PM
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ha, don't be so paranoid. i'm only really interested in general patterns between groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 12:53 PM
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haha, i suspect/hope you exaggerated your answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 12:47 PM
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it's already a broken home when cheating and deceit are involved, you think deceitfully manufacturing things so that every thing 'stays' together because that's what you want is good for everyone else? if a spouse you cheat on wants to stay, they will stay. but that should be their decision, not yours. would you want your wife to be honest with you if she cheated?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 12:26 PM
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if you wouldn't want a significant other to be honest with you if they had done that, then you are at least being consistent. otherwise, you are just doing what's good for you, disregarding what might be good for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 11:47 AM
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Men have relatively low standards for who/what they'll fuck, especially if nobody knows about it. what would motivate one to care what others thought about who they slept with?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 11:41 AM
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i agree but this is an anonymous subreddit, not the real world, so there is little to no incentive to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 11:26 AM
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if you don't like dishonesty, and i would guess you think others don't either, seems like being dishonest is not a way to be liked by anyone. and that's something that in the long run comes out. this is why dark triad types are successful short term, less successful long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 11:23 AM
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do you like dishonest people? do you like people being dishonest with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 11:00 AM
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as i said, i didn't have any flair before this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 10:20 AM
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do you think the dalia lama has mental health issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 10:19 AM
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i guess the common thread between trp, mrp, rpw, is whatever scheme/scheme-ing advances your self interest is best.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 10:17 AM
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this isn't about the male sex drive, i think this is about narcissists sex drive because narc men and women are more sexual than average, are more needy of external validation than average.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 09:59 AM
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maslows hierarchy of needs is a theory, not a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 09:56 AM
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i never had blue flair to begin with, or any flair actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 09:50 AM
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mrp and rp seem to be at odds, not on the same page. rp prioritizes increasing sexual options, mrp prioritizes saving marriages. check out this thread where every poster told the OP to not be honest with his wife about his history of cheating (i guess because mrp is all about saving marriages by any means, even dishonesty) https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/3nb0hy/should_i_tell_my_wife_ive_been_cheating/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 02:54 AM
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how is that similar to... instead of accepting the weak man for what he is and providing more acceptance of that. by that logic you are supposed to be more accepting of women without jobs or education, not helpful. since you rejected men needing help, and suggested they just need acceptance for being weak. counseling is help, telling a man he is ok for being weak/troubled is not help.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 02:48 AM
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And I'm wondering what's the basis for your knowledge on the enneagram that you think has merit? Like how are you different from someone who thinks astrology is unfairly maligned? How many books have you read on the enneagram?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 12:16 AM
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Do you become physiologically unhealthy when/if you don't get sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 12:08 AM
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The problem here is the "unhealthy" is a poorly used term here. Something can be unhealthy in the sense that you really want it but aren't getting it, yet the solution to that is NOT somehow rationalizing that desire away. There are men who are really fit/confident/stoic whatever combo and have satisfying sex lives, be it with a single attractive girl or many. Wanting to become that man does not constitute an unhealthy desire. the issue is that if you can't get sex, or enough sex, or sex with at…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:42 PM
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I'm not debating the validity of the Enneagram (there is no way in hell that I would approach the Enneagram from a scientific standpoint, though I think it's basis has some validity from the wisdom tradition standpoint), but rather your speaking authoritatively about it, as if you knew what you were talking about with regards to it. i've read at least five books on it (palmer, naranjo, riso/hudson, rhor, wagner). i've actually done empirical research on it to see how valid/invalid it was (becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:35 PM
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ha, remind me of that discussion, i don't recall the details. in any case, the enneagram is not a scientific personality system. it's full of ideas that are based on no evidence. like arrows of integration, do you buy into that? show me any evidence that backs up that? if you want to defend the validity of the enneagram, i'd love to hear it. i enjoy hearing how people believe in something that is full of elements that are easy to scientifically prove/disprove and yet their 'system' has no proof …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 09:59 PM
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interesting, this is related to a thread i was thinking of starting on the correlation between narcissism and porn consumption / sexual interest. http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/10/01/internet_psychology_study_says_narcissists_watch_more_porn_online.html your point can be reversed in that red pill has a hard time understanding not everyone is similarly sex interested (or in some cases sex obsessed.) they seem to take the standpoint that they are normal (all men are like they are) wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 09:36 PM
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if the weak man was fine being a weak man he wouldn't be troubled. needing external validation to be fine with your weakness is a weakness, and not realistic or healthy since you won't get validation for being that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 09:20 PM
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status hiearchies make more sense when societies get big, that's why hunter gatherer societies are thought to be mostly egalitarian because they involve really small roving groups. there is some evidence to back this up (though i don't think there is enough to claim certainty).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 08:50 PM
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ha, thanks, it's obviously in part a satire on yours. i'll think about it, i tend to be antisocial (in the 'avoid socializing' sense) when it comes to internet socializing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 08:47 PM
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Except saying someone is definitively a narcissist or aspie is EXACTLY saying they have a personality disorder. Psychopathy is not a "style". that's not true. https://www.mentalhelp.net/blogs/the-narcissist-versus-the-narcissistic-personality-disorder/ furthermore, behold the first dictionary definition of narcissism is not clinical - 1. inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity. Synonyms: self-centeredness, smugness, egocentrism. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nar…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 08:40 PM
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What's money for in our society? It measures value! yes, but it's not an objective measure of value. people with the most money don't necessarily have the most value unless you think the koch bros are super valuable to humanity?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 08:27 PM
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in my experience the more honest people are with me the more they want to be close (male or female). there still has to be mutual attraction for relationships like that to be romantic, but there is at least platonic love when lots of honesty is disclosed. if i am romantically involved with someone that doesn't share things with me, i've learned relationships like that are not going anywhere (they are either hiding things because they know i won't like them enough, and/or they are hiding things b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 08:25 PM
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there's other things than meds like counseling, group therapy, maybe in the future fitness therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 08:21 PM
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But you are the one spouting it as gospel truth after admitting you have no formal education or work experience in clinical psychology. i'm discussing personality styles not personality disorders, which fits perfectly well into my wheelhouse as a personality researcher. this is no different that an red piller calling blue pillers people pleasers, which is a personality assessment. i've said this before and you either don't understand the distinction or are ignoring the distinction because your a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 08:20 PM
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Those clinical diagnoses cannot be made on what you think we do and what you think we value. they are not clinical, i'm not diagnosing aspd and npd, just orientation towards narcissism, anti-social personality styles. no different than a red piller claiming that bps are doormats, people pleasers. The shit you try and do with it is laughable, and I'm not going to enable you to do that. Find some other patsy to play your game with. well then continue your social justice warrioring with me i guess,…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 08:07 PM
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The pattern was only found for matching for dating/non cohabitating and married. yes, everyone but cohabiting couples as i clearly stated. and that pattern was found in every couple group except the cohabiting couple group.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 07:51 PM
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wouldn't universal health care (i.e. mental health resources, because struggling men and women tend to have mental health issues) and basic income help immensely?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 07:50 PM
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there is similar research that people prefer staying in their default/historically-typical emotional state even if that means remaining depressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 06:21 PM
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and that pattern was found in every couple group except the cohabiting couple group.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 06:08 PM
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what about this story is specific enough to warrant a doxxing fear?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:59 PM
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You were attacking the poster's credibility, your attack on the study's credibility was untrue. did you read the critique in the link i posted, what was untrue about it? It's on the small end, but it tries to draw conclusions about 29 married couples, and actually an even smaller number. it tries to draw a conclusion about relationships in general, not just marriages
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:54 PM
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so what about all the trpers that post outside of trp, has there been a trp post that tells people to stop doing that? The new guys you sent our way should be thanking you, not us. They are the ones whose lives you have drastically improved. you sound so objectively convincing. do you believe in over selling or under selling your arguments? And the reason you face hostility Taibo is your attempts at playing "amateur psychologist to 130,000 men you never met from your armchair" using psych articl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:46 PM
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how could society help men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:34 PM
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That's a bad analogy. Arguments aren't made in a factory. the accusation is the guy who ran that research organization (a research factory) paid two peer reviewers with a similar conservative agenda to review a paper. he refuses to name the reviewers, so no one can say for certain whether the accusation is true. for this reason (and others), his reputation, objectivity is in question. He's already posted a study. All ignoring it does is prove YOU don't value studies. i didn't ignore the study. i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:34 PM
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Tit-For-Tat for example is a nash equilibrium strategy in prisoners dilemma that works Precisely because it punishes defection and this is incredibly important for it being that Nash Equilibrium because people defect. the first move in tit for tat is cooperate, assume others are trustworthy (this contradicts the red pill world view, assume every female is a loaded gun). and the best (i.e. most sustainable) tit for tat models even controls for too much defection when someone betrays you to avoid …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:31 PM
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ok, then you should demonstrate that belief by being way nicer and thankful to us. the hostility i get from many of you red pillers makes little sense if i am helping you guys out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 04:59 PM
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unless you think it makes sense to want to kill innocent people because you are upset, then it does not make sense. i understand that you think the anger makes sense, but that doesn't speak to whether the actions they took, because of the anger, make sense (to anyone but them or similarly homicidal individuals that have thought about doing such things but not acted yet).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 04:52 PM
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Where's the reddit rumor mill you go to? In an argument that's called ad hominem. You should look at statements independently of who says them. Even the most wrong person can say right things. so individual hyundai cars should not be treated as if they are made by hyundai which has a poor reliability reputation? reputation is a valued factor because it's cognitively efficient to value. i can't prove a new hyundai will be unreliable, but does that mean it should be considered as reliable as a new…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 12:20 PM
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RP really doesn't need new recruits. If anything TRPs problem in particular is too many noobs and not enough senior guys. i wonder why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 11:44 AM
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the dominant theory in evo science is that most people are fair, trustworthy (tit for tat, evolution of cooperation) which contradicts red pill notions that all/most women are deceitful/untrustworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 11:40 AM
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he also totally understands why mass shooters commit their violent acts.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 11:33 AM
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if i think something is wrong, i say that. but if hear mr. x said xyz, and i know mr. x has a questionable reputation, i think it's fair to say mr. x is questionable, examine what he says with more carefulness than someone that isn't questionable. further, i posted that study because it's a study which contradicts red pill. i wasn't posting it as a counter to the marriage study, so that makes the whole sample relevant in assessing the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 11:01 AM
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it's cynical/dark, which is a negative affect and thus related to anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:58 AM
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How is it exaggerated? because no one would seriously say they understood a murderer like that, that's why it's funny. he exaggerates his 'understanding'. in reality, he doesn't actually think oj's murder is understandable. the kernal of truth (that the audience relates to) is that it's understandable that oj would be mad, and that's exaggerated into it's understandable oj would be mad AND kill them (that's the joke, no sane person finds cold blooded murder understandable). ER and the oregon guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:51 AM
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I gotta say, i'm enjoying watching the decline as 30 something women are missing out on their 'big day' because men are running the fuck away from marriage. how long have you been in the anger phase? and how long do you think that will continue?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 10:41 PM
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no, it proves that RP theories are funny if you think they are an exaggerated joke. if you went around saying with sincerity that it was understandable to stab and ex and their boyfriend, people would think you are a lunatic. that's why red pillers come off as crazy. and if you said what you just said about the mass shooters, i bet people would report you to the authorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 10:17 PM
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i never said he was wrong - https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3nzghr/slut_shaming_is_trp_only_the_tip_of_the_iceberg/cvsn77p By the way, I did look at your study, and it's an interesting study of less than 30 married couples with less than half of that "non-matching", so it's hard to really draw any conclusions from what was effectively a handful of individuals. i was talking about the article i posted which critiques his study (in the above link). it's over 100 couples altogeth…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 10:14 PM
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You have said something about believing in an odd form of idealistic recipricol altruism, "tit for tat" if im not mistaken. what's odd about the model that's most sustainable in evolutionary computer simulations? i would like to have longer more detailed convos with you, i think we are interested in the same things but from different angles, ive tried to share my ego deformation theories with you but youve seemed uninterested. you should come to the IRC i respect your reaching out and i may take…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 10:09 PM
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are you referring to the oj joke which is relevant to this thread or the racial humor that some racist obviously felt the need to focus on that wasn't related to this thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 09:41 PM
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the grain of truth is hostility towards exes, not wanting to kill strangers because you are denied sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 09:40 PM
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i don't think you understand humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 09:17 PM
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did you read the link i posted about the study?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 09:16 PM
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i am interested if you can actually summarize your view of what it is.i don't recall you ever reading anything i've posted, and i've read some of what you've posted, within reason. i understand if you can't, don't wan't to, or don't think that can be done but accusing me of narrow-mindedness is not fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 09:14 PM
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because philosophy is not really a science, meaning is debatable. if you can't summarize rational egoism in a few sentences, you either don't understand it, or it's not a useful philosophy. similarly, no one needs to read atlas shrugged to really understand the ideas behind it, it could be summed up very succinctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 08:19 PM
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no i said i would respond to him if he proved himself reasonable, to actual value studies (versus only valuing them if they validate his beliefs). he proved otherwise. if i took the time and ended up finding issues with his study (i might not have, it might be a good study, but one good study is not enough to say xyz is certain), he wouldn't care, so it would be pointless to engage him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 08:15 PM
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I did address the kidney donor. The damage has to be permanent and debilitating...giving blood hurts your body but you'll be fine and your body replaces it. someone with one kidney is worse off than someone with two statistically. giving away your kidney hurts you, even if in the best case scenario it's only a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 08:07 PM
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why don't you stick to the point this thread. i'm sure you can debate your racist ideology on one of the racist subreddits.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 08:06 PM
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read the sidebar about voting here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 08:04 PM
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If some average-looking girl who isn't fat has eyes the colour, shape etc, that my ex had, I am going to be attracted to her. are you going to tell her that she reminds you of your ex and that you are obsessed with your ex?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 08:02 PM
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it's still the same post i responded to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 07:09 PM
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That's just a disagreement in the definition of selfless. To me, a charitable person gets fulfillment out of helping others, helping them feel better, therefore there is consideration for the 'self'. so 'self' is not your physical body which you are hurting by giving up your kidney? The folks helping out at the soup kitchen don't qualify as selfless in my book (obviously they're not selfish either, it's more a spectrum than a binary). are they on the selfless side of the spectrum, on average?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 07:06 PM
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no it means i'm not going to bother to debate someone that only buys into studies that validate his opinions, which he proceeded to prove. if you only value studies that back up your views, you don't value studies at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 07:03 PM
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I totally understand why Elliot and all those other guys did what they did. do you understand the difference between a comedian saying "i understand why oj killed his ex and her boyfriend" which draws laughter because it takes a kernal of anger/upset over the rejection of an ex (which everyone understands) and exaggerates it for comedic effect VS. you saying very seriously you totally understand two guys killing a ton of innocent people that didn't do anything to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 07:01 PM
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from an evo perspective, dark triad behaviors must confer some benefits to some people to persist, i.e. they are a product of evolution/natural-selection, not environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 06:47 PM
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so if things make sense in your head than correlation is not causations concerns can be discarded? is that really how you operate? have you never experienced mental bias? your mind coming up with an argument that totally made sense to you that you later figured out was totally wrong? It makes sense that a woman who fucked several 6'2" chads with muscles would be sexually disatisfied with her frumpy 5'9" average looking engineer husband with a gut. this is your delusional view of reality though, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 06:41 PM
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what red piller cares about anything other than being actually sexually attractive? am i misinformed to think that's all that matters to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 06:37 PM
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No. TRP tells them they can improve. Not that they'll go from total fuckup to banging supermodels. not going from minimum wage to multibillionaire. Not going from 98 lb weakling to musclebound roidboy. can only the top 20% of men be genuinely attractive to women? if so what percent of men that are not in that top 20% can red pill methods help get into that top 20%? Edit: "Condescension for poor people"? You mean like this BPer who posted yesterday, Mr. u/yo_radical_one narcissism, and condescens…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 06:34 PM
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i didn't say bummed, i said miserable, by that i mean depressed, heart broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 06:31 PM
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so then maybe women having lots of previous partners has nothing to do with relationship satisfaction. agree? or is the correlation is not causation argument only valid towards correlations you don't agree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 06:31 PM
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read up on covert narcissists, they are basically depressed emotionally unstable narcissists who are a mix of arrogance and self loathing, they swing between the two extremes. those guys came to trp because it promises to make them the alphas they are obsessed with being. trp tells them if they follow the rules of trp, they can be the alpha they need to be. it's no different from money obsessed people going to get rich seminars. just because someone is poor doesn't mean they are not irrationally…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 06:27 PM
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hot sorrority girls didn't give him iois, that's what pained him. he was the typical bitter narcissistic overreacher.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 06:22 PM
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this is why no one takes red pillers seriously. have you ever known a girl that was miserable because a non high value guy broke up with them? explain that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 06:20 PM
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The other difference being that a lot of men want to be 'male sluts' whereas a lot of women don't really like being sluts and would rather get commitment from a high value man rather than being pumped and dumped. what percentage of men are high value man? and how do you explain all the women under 30 in relationships with men that are not high value?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 06:16 PM
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