How ought society be structured?

analt223 · 2018-08-06T15:36:24+00:00

Small set of laws to make sure people are safe, the environment isn't fucked, and there is some level of a safety net so people can get cancer treatments or broken bones fixed and not be set back tens of thousands of dollars, and be healthy enough to work.

Everything else i dont really care about. But it starts with everyone stop lying to each other to appear as morally pure but don't practice what they preach (an example, actually wanting to end gender roles, instead of people saying they do but then want gender roles in their own personal lives...)

poppy_blu · 2018-08-06T17:51:52+00:00

I’d make people who constantly talk about wanting to change everything they think is wrong first have to embody in themselves the changes they want to see. Want men/women to be better people? Be one yourself. Want men/women to have more empathy? Have more empathy yourself. They’d be amazed to see how much better things get with a change in attitude.

blackedoutfast · 2018-08-06T17:32:12+00:00

in terms of relationships and social interactions it doesn't really matter. people are driven by their natural instincts, and it doesn't matter if you think society should be structured in a certain way because humans are gonna human regardless.

flamingoinghome · 2018-08-06T16:23:31+00:00

People who think gender relationships/sex/dating have experienced a moral decline in modern days are just people who don't know much about history.

hammerhaunts · 2018-08-06T18:24:32+00:00

Remove incentives to have unmarried kids

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Transmigratory · 2018-08-06T23:47:46+00:00

Hard one. You can obviously have obvious rules around law and order, the environment, health care, security, liberty and what have you. The key social tenants.

The allocation of resources could be decided with some economic agents, though with a bias towards human advancement. It has to be enough to incentive people to work hard, but so much where wealth distribution completely fucks up some nations.

As for government, ideally, a healthy rotation of power of right/left governments which oscillate around the centre (no antifa, Trump etc shit) whose decisions won't totally mess things up for people socially or society's development -- if the above were designed well this is possible. Centrism is key, but the right/left flavour is good enough to make people feel like they're being listened to when they want a change. Main priorities would be tackling any inequality that's is still somehow present e.g. rough sleepers/homelessness, prejudice and so on.

But I question if human nature as it is now without some hive mind or similar influence can achieve this. A lot of people's dismay comes from being associated with certain statuses, and in an ideal utopia, someone still has to scrub the toilets. I suppose if you can get to the stage that one of the Space Odysseys did where every human has access to basic things which would be considered luxuries today while letting things pan out as they are... that's probably the closest to the best society humans can get if we retain our mental liberty to be different.

DaphneDK42 · 2018-08-07T00:37:22+00:00

The State should be cut down to a bare minimum. Away with all absolutely necessary legislation and away with all forms of welfare state. This will also fix the issue where many women have chose to marry the state instead of a man.

newName543456 · 2018-08-07T08:00:53+00:00

TRP is describing society and how human behave as they are, not how any single poster wants it to be, since wishful thinking may differ from person to person.

So you won't get one answer of "RP vision of perfect society where everyone behaves one way or the other", since it doesn't exist and basically contradicts the whole idea of TRP.

themormonchurch · 2018-08-14T06:20:04+00:00

i like things just how they are

void_magic · 2018-08-06T16:56:41+00:00

It shouldn't be structured, means men and women can make whatever lifestyle choices they want. But most importantly there wouldn't be any tax money going to subsidize your choices.

Yu4nghydr4 · 2018-08-06T19:36:45+00:00

The world is evil there is no ought that is sufficient

Get on with the is and be outside of society as much as you possibly can

the_calibre_cat · 2018-08-06T20:30:05+00:00

Considerably less government

Workaholico · 2018-08-06T21:16:16+00:00

Not exactly red pill but I heavily lean to it, I just think it lacks more relevant statistical evidence. Let me try answering.

I've seen enough people lamenting some aspect of modern society, a moral decline relating to gender and relationships. TRP is supposedly a resource or set of tools for adapting to modern society.

TRP does not care for morals, you said yourself, it is a "tool". But the community of TRP has some understandings

In your ideal world, how would men and women relate to each other such that TRP would be embodied?

Sorry I couldn't grasp what you meant entirelly. I put here some things I think the manosphere and the red pill community people would agree they want the world to be.

Young Men would know what attracts a mate, and get the CORRECT information to do so.
Being masculine would not be a defect and boys would be taught to be men, not having to suppress their masculinity.
Men who do not want to deal with women and asexual men would not be considered failures without a good reason.
Men who are of "non high value"(as in the bottom 80% of the SM) would not be treated as failures without a good reason.
Men of "low value" as in the bottom 10-30% would not be ostracized or treated actively badly without a good reason.
There would be as much safety nets for men as there are for women. (most poor and homeless are men, so are the suicidal)
Men would be considered equals to women in every way.
Women would be able to tell the truth about their preferences without repercussion, as it would be redundant.
Men who chose to marry/LTR would be protected by laws against women stealing the exes money, and there would be a crime of false accusations such the woman would face the charges herself if it was proven she was obviously lying.
Men would have the exact same legal standing as women. As in: "boys CAN be raped by women." and "if the men stays with their children, the woman who has to pay child support"

Or obsolete?

Yeah, TRP the knowledge would be obsolete, it would be in everyone's brains. The community would survive as a community of alphas who trade other tips which are not encompassed by today's TRP to achieve sex, things more subtle like what kinds of clothes to wear or where to take her exactly or how to transmit power without spending too much. After all, you can always improve your game and teach the next generation.

Ought men behave differently?

Well, not much, they would have the correct knowledge and the protections to have a happy life. They ought to treat other men well and raise good men. That's it.

Ought women?

Some. Women who lie to have revenge in exes and the women who want to steal the possessions of their partners ought to change their ways to avoid sanctions. Women ought to not treat men badly without good reason. and Maybe teach better their boys to be men, considering a great number of women today are raising emasculine and sad men.

I'm willing to accept that TRP is ambivalent about any idea of a current state of things, encouraging an individualistic mindset that persists despite any given environment, but my gut says there are different opinions than that.

There are various people in TRP, but the subject is the same, sex and men's life. but the kind of people there are quite different. I would recommend you to walk a bit in the manosphere. It helps

md8716 · 2018-08-07T16:09:41+00:00

In an ideal world, prostitutuon would be so commonplace and routine to the point of being boring, like getting your car washed or picking up dry cleaning.

Like you could be a janitor, work a 12 hour shift, and then just go get laid on the way back home from work.

Better yet, something similar to Blade Runner 2049 with that A.I. chick if they want the girlfriend/wife experience.

I feel like people would be more focused on self-fulfillment and realizing their true potential as human beings if those baser needs were more easily taken care of.

Million-Suns · 2018-08-06T18:01:17+00:00

I think laws should follow the flow. Sexual liberation happened in the 60's. There is a push for open relationships and polygamy. Divorces rose and so did cheating. I'd say abolish monogamous contracts such as marriage. They have become a huge obsolete mockery.

Title	How ought society be structured?
Author	CyJackX
Upvotes	4
Comments	54
Date	August 6, 2018 3:32 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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