Congratulations, you gamed yourself

orange_juice007 · 2017-03-24T01:05:46+00:00

I partly disagree with OP.

Well, for the most part i agree. The first half of the post is 99% correct (how to stop if she's not into you). But, If you drop a woman the moment she's not giving you what you expect/want from her, you're only going to get sluts and one night stands, a.k.a. easy girls. And then you're going to come on TRP and post about how all women are sluts. Ofcourse they are, if all that you get is them.

AWALT is always correct. But it doesn't mean all girls are exactly the same. Some won't fuck you (even if they want to) the first time they meet you, because they respect their bodies, themselves. They know that if they fuck every man they go on a date with, they will become damaged goods / sluts / whatever you want to call them. It's possible that they will fuck some of those guys, but not all. For instance, what OP said

If a woman doesn’t invite you back up to her place after you drop her off, it doesn’t mean she’s taking it slow. It means she doesn’t want your cock. Move on.

is wrong. It can also mean she doesn't want your cock right now, or her roommate is home, or any other reason besides her just not liking you. I mean, come on, because she didn't fuck you day 1, you're going to assume the worst, save your ego and move on? I suppose if you only want one night stands, you are correct.

EDIT: must read: https://illimitablemen.com/2014/03/21/women-of-substance-are-made-not-born/

abdada · 2017-03-23T13:02:11+00:00

I never met a woman who actually loved attention. I've met women who crave attention but they don't love it. In fact, most women who crave attention hate attention because all it does is it proves the person giving it is low value.

The best kind of attention a woman gets that she cherishes is when a high value man who tends NOT to pay her attention may give her a glimmer of attention and then pull it away.

She'd rather get a butt dial text of scrambled letters at 3am from a high value male than 100 PMs on Facebook from fat omegas telling her she's beautiful.

My rules: women love to dig, but they hate treasure. Women love to shop but they hate purchases. Women love puppies in windows but they hate their dogs. Women love pictures of food but they hate the eating.

Let her dig for treasures she will never find and she will show you displays of love better than if you did the digging for her and presented her with diamonds and gold.

balalasaurus · 2017-03-23T21:56:18+00:00

You're on the right track but you need some correction. Never "focus" on any woman. They don't want to be your focus. Focus on yourself. They should always be an afterthought.

TheReformist94 · 2017-03-23T19:44:34+00:00

TOUCHÉ. SPOT ON OP. Man the male hamstering on this sub is ridiculous. Honestly I don't bother learning game for women.I learn it for social intelligence with men and my career. Its good to be socially sharp. But women? When they're into you,you don't have to game.you just don't fuck up.if they want to fuck you,they'll fuck you.and it won't be game.it'll be your overall swagger depending how much you got going in your life

Deevoid · 2017-03-23T19:42:10+00:00

Great post.

The only thing I'd add is that if you don't get 100% positive attention from her when you approach for the first time then that doesn't mean she's not in to you, you might need to game her to break down any initial barriers she may put up.

Overall though you're absolutely right. If you continue trying and get nowhere fast then it's time to stop and next her.

ShellOuting · 2017-03-23T21:30:06+00:00

I agree. However, I think there is something to be said for the "make her say no" mind set. Some of your examples--such as the one about awkwardness when getting a girls number-- are too extreme. If she gave you her number, regardless of circumstance, you might as well text her (only if you're interested of course). The exact balance between always trying to close and backing off of time wasting girls is probably hard to find though.

Conceited-Monkey · 2017-03-23T18:52:13+00:00

Curiously, when I met girls who were into me there were not a whole lot of shit tests or LMR. If a girl was being a bitch, it wasn't usually something you could game your way through. Women put you in one category or another pretty fast and you have to pick out the ones who are actually open to you.

vorverk · 2017-03-23T20:39:46+00:00

Great post.

There are exeptions. She might be so much in to you that she just can't talk/breathe and her knees are too weak to stand near you. I also had one plate admit to me that she was ignoring me to court attention from me.

But when you reach this level, your skills of reading social cues will be so high, that you'll be sure her "dread" is calculated. She can't hide it...

So yeah. In 99% cases this post is valid.

Newreddawn · 2017-03-24T03:42:20+00:00

Nope. The vast generalizations just aren't doing it for me. Not every girl meets every single one of those criteria, and you're robbing yourself of the chance to bang cute girls who are actively trying to filter obvious playboys.

My best plates have been women who weren't first date easy lays. They put out on the second or third date, I'm not trying to waste time either. But if you cut and run just because every bitch you meet isn't hopping on your cock immediately, you're only hurting yourself.

Hunt for trash, and trash you will find. Some girls are worth gaming past the first date. Don't burn yourself out on gutter trash and then go mtgow. I feel like a lot of guys here are on that path sometimes.

elsanguango · 2017-03-24T03:27:53+00:00

This post is gold. Every word is true, i checked this with the last woman ive been with. She played with me until she got bored and she left me. Luckly my beta days are now gone. Sorry for my english, is not the best.

IGoYouStayTwoAutumns · 2017-03-25T00:23:02+00:00

Now now, let's not forget THE 15-HOUR RULE guys.

-- Women are, generally speaking, comfortable enough to have sex with you after about 7 hours of contact. (If your game is tight, and / or (more likely) a few drinks are involved, you can shorten this up to 3 or 4, but usually 7 hours is a good benchmark.)

-- 7 to 10 hours of contact is the PRIME WINDOW during which you can (and should) escalate to sex.

-- After 10 hours, you are now in the DANGER ZONE. Between hours 10 and 15 she's now thinking "Well, I'm ready to have sex... What's his problem, does he not like me??" etc etc. You can still escalate (though, paradoxically, you'll actually get more LMR here, because now she's also wondering "Wait, did I make a mistake, is he a timid Beta...??!!" She will test for your alphahood here, more strongly than if you'd made a move earlier.)

-- After 15 hours you're DONE, you're OUT, she has polarized you, and there's a 99% chance that, of the two options (alpha warrior or beta provider), she has polarized you as a beta provider, and thus has put you into the FRIEND ZONE (from which, of course, there is no return, ever).

I agree with much of OP's post, I too wish I could go back in time and explain to my younger self "Dude, she's not playing hard to get, she's just NOT THAT INTO YOU, move on!!" But the sunken cost fallacy can be a real bitch sometimes.

Still, we must also keep in mind: not all girls will make it obvious that they are into you at first glance, and even girls that ARE into you might put up a little resistance at first. I've had women that I had no connection with AT ALL (seemingly) on the first date, so I didn't follow up, then the girl follows up, I'm like "What?? OK, I guess...", we have a second date, still nothing, no vibe at all, no IOIs, nada, and then, at the end of the second date (now it's been a few hours), I go in for the kill (figuring fuck it why not, I'm never gonna see her again), and suddenly, wow, look at that, we have incredibly hot sex that lasts all night long. Totally unexpected, but there it was. Girl just didn't know how to show she was interested.

You know how most guys don't know how to GAME? Well most girls don't know how to FLIRT either. Just like there is no "game" school (aside from TRP), there is no "flirt" school--some girls kind of get how it works early on, but most girls really have no idea what the fuck they're doing. I'm always shocked when I discover, later on, through friends of friends, "Oh, so-and-so was really into you, why didn't you ask her out??" And I'm like "Um, what?? She glanced at me once, mumbled something incoherent / said something bitchy and sarcastic / whatever, and that was it." And THAT'S what passes for FLIRTING?? Jesus fucking Christ.

So yeah, just cuz the girl's not jumping on top of you 5 minutes after you meet her, it doesn't mean she's a lost cause (in fact, you probably don't want to get with the girls that DO jump on top of you after 5 minutes, for other reasons). BUT. If you've gotten to the 7-10 hour mark, you can feel free to escalate all you like. If she likes you, she'll respond favorably. If at that point you're still getting a no go, then it's DONE, cut your losses and move on.

And again, 15 hours is the LAST STAND, the final checkpoint beyond which, if it hasn't happened by then, it ain't gonna happen. Ever.

Tattoo it on your forarm gents: "FUCK BY 15 HOURS, OR IT'S OVER". Words to live by.

Wolfeaze · 2017-03-24T01:32:00+00:00

They are going to make time for and sleep with whoever is hot to them, your assessment of alpha or beta doesn't matter. If you are hanging around and it feels like you're playing tennis alone, it's because you are. If she tolerates your attempts to make it more than it is, it's because she regards you as pleasant socially (like her family and friends) or you've given signs you can't handle rejection well- which is something you should be able to do as a grown man.

red_reality · 2017-03-23T22:57:21+00:00

An epiphany I had recently involving emotions and women. Naturally, i'm an uptight person, so being expressive and emotionally communicative takes work on my part. It is, however, essential to fucking relax and allow yourself to express your emotions when gaming women. Talking to girls at a bar in an uptight frame is an absolute waste of time. If she senses you're a closed book, dealing only in logic, she will want nothing to do with you. I've also noticed that, for me, liquor doesn't pull me into this emotionally flowing state; I have to get there before drugs/alcohol etc.

itsawomensworld · 2017-03-24T21:48:15+00:00

"it validates her in her mind as well as in front of her friends."

Actually it isn't malevolent. I understand the female mind perfectly. In her mind, she's doing you a favor for being in your company. Yes this is how women think. She sees it as her being nice to allow you to see her.

akatsukirp · 2017-03-23T16:43:00+00:00

Bingo. The trick is figuring out which ones are really into you or not and available. Some can change their minds but in my experience it takes a long time and most times not worth it.

In terms of availability. She may like you but she isn't available because of X. For example she's dealing with the death of a family member, or some crazy project at work.

plasticslug · 2017-03-24T03:52:33+00:00

This is fucking gold, seriously feels like being hit by a fucking train when you realize... fuck this is 99% of my encounters with women, and well... I guess 99 fucking percent of them are not fucking interested..

To agree with you, when a women is interested you dont even need game, you just need to be able to interact with her without being a complete fuck wit and your in. That simple.

sirfuckboysupreme · 2017-03-24T19:38:41+00:00

Thank you sir for this post. Ive been dating an older girl (hot asf) and in the past few weeks i feel shes grown slightly distant. Slower to reply and slightly different behaviours. She still replies but seems more 'busy'. We've slept around and i know she cums buckets when we do- but fuck chasing the girl to meet up. Chicks shouldn't be hassle. Like you say, either they'll put in the effort or they won't. Either she joins me on my journey or she can fuck off.

The real power a man has is to walk away. Walk away i shall. Thank you for this reminder.

matiasebr · 2017-03-23T19:37:41+00:00

The real red pill. Great post OP 👏👏👏

doctorfrankenskein · 2017-03-23T16:42:00+00:00

I don't think I agree with what you're saying totally.

A woman may move on because she's not finding stability with a particular man. It's not about the gifts and the ass kissing. It's about being reliable, steady, and have strength to provide for both people when times are hard and she finds it difficult to move forward. However, if a man is stable and secure, she won't get tired and need him to have strength. It's about building a fortified structure with someone and not playing a heartless game.

Sometimes women break up with men because they have to as the pay off in the relationship isn't worth the investment.

For example, crying because a bill hasn't been paid even though she has provided half the money for said shared bill and angry letters show up. Sad because she works hard and wants to go on vacation with a man and he doesn't want to go or can't go because he doesn't have a job that pays enough money to even survive on. I could go on.

In that scenario, someone will get hurt and has already been hurt. I'm sure it's in roughly equal measure there if the feelings were real.

Sometimes women are busy, truly busy. Sometimes women are going through the grief of a break-up. However, if she's not giving you signs of a maybe or even trying to work you into her schedule then move on.

GrubbyJewTwo · 2017-03-25T20:44:04+00:00

Disagree w OP. As a semi unattractive guy w over n>100, i get some resistance every approach (unless in asia lol), but if i moved on with my life every time i got resistance id still be a virgin.

It's really cool in TRP lately to shit on guys who rely on game. I acknowledge that there are people who don't need game to get laid, but why shit on the people who do?

But if you are already an alpha Chad, then sure the optimal strategy is not to game. But if you dont need game and everything just works out perfectly for you, why waste time to read TRP at all?

Merwebb · 2017-03-26T06:52:38+00:00

Tried to explain this idea of "not chasing because women that wants you will go any distance for you" to a betafied friend and he called me a crazy high maintenance motherfucker.

Welp.......

TACTICALBLONDEBIMBO · 2017-03-24T07:06:55+00:00

Yep I think OP is pretty spot on. For instance I left two woman my numbers. One this little fucking shitbag piece of shit hispanic girl who has an overvalued sense of worth, and who will be dealt with when the time is appropriate. The other was this lady who tutors children. The hispanic fucking blonde bimbo cum dumpster fuckface bitch never texted or called me, while the lady who tutors the children did. Very interesting. I was kind of timid to talk to both, so I was like you know what let me write my number down and see if one of them calls me. In my mind I was like whichever one of these human female creatures calls me, probably has some interest in me. Like I said the shitbag hispanic girl who is dead to me, didnt call or text me so she can fucking die. However the other lady who is pretty top notch actually did like me the whole time, and I was always too scared to talk to her.

Imo If a girl really and I mean really likes you and is interested she will go above and beyond to make it obvious to you literally. If a girl is interested in you she willl do whatever it takes to get your attention, and get you to talk to her. Show up places you go, and just be nice to you.

renzoken99 · 2017-03-24T06:12:37+00:00

Thank you for this. A year in and i'm still a sappy fuck that is trying to change how he interacts with women. Saving this to re-read.

aftenbladet · 2017-03-24T09:41:01+00:00

This is a great lesson guys!

Roaring40sUK · 2017-03-24T13:03:16+00:00

Nice post OP.

I can relate to many of the examples you gave and also have seen the full effect of tingles on a woman (with me, of course!).

Where I have felt the need to "game harder", I have pretty much lucked out every time. Other times, I have just sat there and had woman say things like "I want to touch you right now"

That said, I think it pretty much boils down to her initial perception of your relative SMV's. So, self improvement is the key!

jizzledfreq · 2017-03-25T10:45:53+00:00

Seems like all women are leeches these days.... Good gracious, when are they coming out with hyper-realistic female robots?

Title	Congratulations, you gamed yourself
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