PUA articles have no place here. Nut jobs like PZ Myers have conflated mensrights with PUA. Don't apologise for something we have nothing to do with.

a_weed_wizard · 2012-10-20T12:01:31+00:00

PZ Myers will try to call you a misogynist no matter how much you walk on eggshells. He's an irrelevant old white knight and freefromthoughtblogs is a landfill of some of the most horrid feminist ideologues that exist and where the joke called "atheism+" or what I like to call a+theism started.

mayonesa · 2012-10-20T12:07:38+00:00

I think everyone should stop talking up the importance of irrelevant people like myers and srs and so on.

ErasmusMRA · 2012-10-20T11:10:33+00:00

I can't say I've ever seen a single PUA article here. Articles about game theory are posted here which help us understand the nature of women. Part of the red pill deprogramming is understanding that women differ from men, and the ways in which they differ. I would even say that some of my favorite blogs are about game theory and I have no interest in being a PUA at all.

Check out what barbarosssa has to say about discussing concepts like hypergamy and why it's not a big deal if it scares away women.

I'm sick of these "let's not do X because it's making us look bad" posts. I see a post like this daily or every few days. I won't quite accuse you of concern trolling because I genuinely think you don't understand that

a policy of appeasement and self-censorship doesn't work against feminists. They'll find ways to manufacture outrage regardless of what we say or how mildly we say it. Check out /r/againstmensrights or SRS for some examples
it paves the way to a political correctness mess. If certain words or topics are restricted through self-censorship it becomes difficult or downright impossible to discuss certain subjects
PZ Meyers is the king troll of freethoughtblogs. I'm surprised anyone takes him seriously at all
PUAs are part of the manosphere just like men's rights. While PUAs are not necessarily part of MRM, there is nontrivial overlap.
PUA culture is a response to the changing landscape created by feminism, just like the MRM.

TomBayes · 2012-10-20T17:14:06+00:00

While I agree that a lot of them might be off topic, I don't see any reason to treat them with extra special attention compared to other off topic material. The PUA community is diverse. It seems an overreaction to intentionally distance ourselves from the community as a whole, rather than the specific subsets are the real root of the negative association. If a post is relevant to MR and just so happens to relate to or originate from PUA, it should be postable.

AdolphusPrime · 2012-10-20T18:49:55+00:00

I used to read PZ's blog (it was one of the first atheist blogs I came across and enjoyed). But I stopped shortly after the "elevatorgate" scandal where he sided with some uppity crybaby and talked smack about Dawkins.

It was an offer of coffee. Nothing happened. People are retarded.

Charwinger21 · 2012-10-20T10:23:00+00:00

I absolutely agree.

While most people have an inaccurate view of PUA subculture, usually confusing it with player subculture (which there is some overlap with), it is not the MRM's job to defend them, and defending them doesn't really help MRAs.

rightsbot · 2012-10-20T08:04:18+00:00

Post text automatically copied here. (Why?) (Report a problem.)

GunOfSod · 2012-10-20T10:30:13+00:00

I would like to see PUAs stop equating their adolescent attempts to codify social interactions, with masculinity in general.

BrSy · 2012-10-20T18:08:23+00:00

PUA is by it's very nature about the most gynonormative thing ever. If anything it's ideology is more opposed to the MRM than related to it.

OuiCrudites · 2012-10-20T11:51:33+00:00

Why should we let man-hating nutjobs determine what we discuss here?

I'm not a fan of PUA culture either but Game is about the most effective red-pill dispenser out there. For better or worse.

2012-10-20T09:11:47+00:00

main reason why I'd like to see people who aren't pua's stop talking about pua is because very few seem to know what they are talking about when they address it, or them not being good at it or using it has altered their opinion on it

neofool · 2012-10-20T08:28:27+00:00

Agreed.

I have no idea why MRAs have accepted the parasitic presence of the PUA within this sub. Honestly I have no idea what sex by deception and dickishness has to do with mens rights.

ClaudeKenni · 2012-10-20T16:12:33+00:00

We certainly shouldn't apologise for people who buy in th the PUA stuff, especially for the sake of those who would try to discredit the MRM any way they can. But that doesn't mean we can't discuss it, and look critically at it in the context of mens' rights. I personally find a lot of the stuff in it really rather repulsive, but there's no denying that it challenges a lot of false perceptions that exist in today's society in regards gender interaction, sex, and relationships.

mayonesa · 2012-10-20T21:12:57+00:00

P.Z. Myers is terminally crazy and will be no matter what you do.

frederickharttt · 2012-10-20T15:32:19+00:00

You are right. PUA articles shouldn't be discussed here. This whole forum is about improving men's rights. PUA's are just a by-product of feminism. Thus, a bit negative.

ignatiusloyola · 2012-10-20T17:10:16+00:00

We shouldn't be dismissing PUA out of hand. Let people read the articles and come to their own conclusions. I do not believe there are any important differences between men and women. But other people respectfully disagree. The most important issue for the MRM should be truth not PR.

2012-10-20T14:09:26+00:00

I disagree, I think that the pickup community and the mens rights community, though they may not be blatantly so, are related through the mentalities of those involved in them. I think it's safe to say that the PUA community is to the MRM what the sexual liberation of women was to the WRM. I'd also like to say that many MRAs would do themselves good to read The Game, even if they're married like I am. It really helps you understand women in a way that they've never made sense before, and that is important when coming into gender issues. It will not only make you understand women but it left me with a certain amount of respect for them, knowing that there was, in fact, a method to apparent madness. They make a lot more sense once you see it from an evolutionary perspective.

2012-10-20T13:15:45+00:00

There is nothing more revealing toward the nature of females than understanding game theory, both from a pick up artist view and id you are so inclined the married man's view, such as therational male (rolli tomassi).

I think the bitter men here really let their true colors show when they hate on the PUA and game theory posts. The male-feminists here are the worst and just because your little heart can't take the reality of your female interaction failures doesn't mean you should denigrate it. Open your mind even if it hurts.

2012-10-20T21:37:49+00:00

Since when did you decide what Men's rights is all about? Are you our official spokesperson now? Good to know that this was decided without anyone's concent... Hey, I have an idea. Let people post what they like. This isn't r/feminism. I found the recent PUA article to be really informative.

Title	PUA articles have no place here. Nut jobs like PZ Myers have conflated mensrights with PUA. Don't apologise for something we have nothing to do with.
Author	nlakes
Upvotes	43
Comments	69
Date	October 20, 2012 8:03 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11sh5j/pua_articles_have_no_place_here_nut_jobs_like_pz/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/pua-articles-have-no-place-here-nut-jobs-like-pz.1010928 https://theredarchive.com/post/1010928

Comments