"It is unconscionable to recommend marriage to any man under a legal regime in which he has no protection under the law and can be forced out of his own home by a single false charge."

nepidae · 2011-12-31T00:17:34+00:00

I don't agree that she missed the point. I think both of her points, and his point were valid. This is a complex issue with more than one trivial cause. There are legal and social factors.

I did like this quote as it applies to so much more than marriage.

“Why would we take counsel,” she asks, “from the very people who, in our view, flubbed it all up?”

texpundit · 2011-12-30T23:00:00+00:00

Ah... marriage...

Where women claim it is slavery and then try to make men propose, shaming them if they don't. Where men are "not ready to commit" to what is an obviously dangerous, unwise, and one-sided contract.

Yes, marriage... where like the lottery we all hope to win and ignore the odds, except unlike gambling we shame any who see the game is rigged in the house's favor.

Revorob · 2011-12-30T22:43:50+00:00

The title says it all........

MRMRising · 2011-12-31T19:00:11+00:00

If marriage does go the way of the doo-doo bird, is that a bad thing from a MRM perspective? I think this misandric culture is beyond repair, we should try to reform it where we can, but be ready to sit back with a beer and watch it go up in smoke as well.

Clever_Ploy · 2011-12-31T23:20:29+00:00

I'd marry a woman with a prenup. But even then, Mrs. Right has no interest in taking care of me, and even less interest in being taken care of. I don't see why two competent, independent individuals can't run a marriage like a business +love. Why would anyone want to get married based on terms of what they can get out of it? I don't think I could respect a woman who would marry just to be taken care of, let alone marry her myself. (And I could say the same thing for men)

And hey, if it never happens, not my problem. I'll die unmarried, surrounded by friends, knowing I didn't settle for anything less than ~~perfection~~ equality.

RoundSparrow · 2011-12-31T04:16:24+00:00

Choice, chosen, non-arranged marriage is based on an ideal of suffering... risk-taking. In the current situation, society is just reflecting the heart of the humans....

Every individual person is unique in our society, right? free-will, free-rights? The tools are there, the laws are there, but do you deny the free-will to not enter into the arrangement - and to not end it, to forgive?

New York Professor Joseph Campbell: "The [year 1200] troubadours were very much interested in the psychology of love. And they're the first ones in the West who really thought of love the way we do now -- as a person-to-person relationship."

Their story that illustrates the male risk-taking....

Campbell: The word AMOR spelt backwards is ROMA, the Roman Catholic Church, which was justifying marriages that were simply political and social in their character. And so came this movement validating individual choice, what I call following your bliss. But there's danger, too, of course. In the Tristan romance, when the young couple has drunk their love potion and Isolde's nurse realizes what has happened, she goes to Tristan and says, "You have drunk your death." And Tristan says, "By my death, do you mean this pain of love?" -- because that was one of the main points, that one should feel the sickness of love. There's no possible fulfillment in this world of that identity one is experiencing. Tristan says, "If by my death, you mean this agony of love, that is my life. If by my death, you mean the punishment that we are to suffer if discovered, I accept that. And if by my death, you mean eternal punishment in the fires of hell, I accept that, too." Now, that's big stuff.

2011-12-30T23:02:09+00:00

Nothing to add. But I wish it wasn't so.

Supertrinko · 2011-12-31T06:32:23+00:00

Marriage is extremely important for societal stability and survival.

Not sure that I agree, I think society would survive and adapt without marriage.

Title	"It is unconscionable to recommend marriage to any man under a legal regime in which he has no protection under the law and can be forced out of his own home by a single false charge."
Author	EvilPundit
Upvotes	192
Comments	41
Date	December 30, 2011 8:24 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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