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Look at the amount of effort r/shitredditsays put into bashing r/mensrights and the whole MRA movement! They really have nothing better to do I guess.

mellowgreen

September 6, 2011

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Title	Look at the amount of effort r/shitredditsays put into bashing r/mensrights and the whole MRA movement! They really have nothing better to do I guess.
Author	mellowgreen
Upvotes	0
Comments	51
Date	September 6, 2011 6:33 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/k6nx6/look_at_the_amount_of_effort_rshitredditsays_put/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/look-at-the-amount-of-effort-rshitredditsays-put.1034969 https://theredarchive.com/post/1034969

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lucky for us, if you aren't completely blinded by ideology

You're like the christian who calls atheism a "religion" and thinks they've made a valid point.

The MRM is issues-based, not ideology based. I realize this may be difficult for a feminist to understand, so I'll lay it out for you nice and simple:

A feminist must hold certain beliefs in order to actually be a "feminist". Fundamentally they must believe that A) men are elevated above women in our society, B) gender-equality is something we, as a society, should seek, and C) said equality can not be achieved until women are raised up to the level of men.

An MRA does not need to believe anything to be an MRA. The only condition which must be satisfied is that they must advocate for the rights of men. That's all. They can range from egalitarians to supremacists...they can strive for a progressive and equal society, or they could try to recreate the 1950's with women in the kitchen...because the MRM lacks an overriding ideology.

Sub-groups within feminism may necessitate additional beliefs, but in order for them to truly be "feminist" they must hold the 3 beliefs I've outlined above. One may call themselves "feminist" without holding those beliefs, but that's much like the issue one sees with "anarcho"-capitalists and anarchism (i.e. they're not actually feminists, but something else).

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You, like many others in MR, seem to have a persecution complex. On the front page of SRS there are 25 submissions. In the top 10, there are only two linking to r/mensrights posts plus the top post which is a compilation containing some links to r/mensrights, but not MR exclusively. As for the rest of the page, there are only six more links to MR, one of which is not a post about anything related to men's rights, but rather a misogynistic and homophobic personal attack of another user. MR is far from "the center of attention" in SRS, but it is one of the most consistent subreddits when it comes to bigotry and unintentional humor.

And by the "same problems" I mean bitter, misogynistic nerds who use MR as a platform for their bigotry and perpetually miss the point. The people who rage about FEMINAZISM without even a rudimentary understanding of feminism's history, theory, or literature.

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I don't mind being a member on a male-dominated website, and I've frequented other male-dominated websites that just didn't harbor this kind of resentment towards women. This isn't a male problem; it's a reddit problem.

How so? Are you talking about r/mensrights or the fact that people talk about females in a sexual manner so causally? It happens. Every time I turn on the TV it's nothing but male-bashing. It happens, right? It's just a joke right?

Try being a guy that doesn't look as hot as Brad Pitt and talk to a girl in a bar. You'll be treated like absolute shit.

Well, I hear people mocking or complaining about feminism reasonably often, so I can't really agree.

Where, might I ask, are you hearing this anti-feminist slant? Work? I highly doubt it, really. You could put a stop to it by going to your boss and saying you were offended at this hostile work environment. How, as a woman, you feel uncomfortable. At a lunch, I had to listen to this female coworker make some stupid sexist joke about men. I noticed that the guys in the table had that awkward courtesy laugh. This is the shit I put up with all the time.

Your husband (if you have one)? Just divorce his ass and tell the courts he emotionally abused you. Don't worry about evidence. If you don't come up with this idea, your lawyer will remind you.

Should you hear mocking from elsewhere, what are they saying? Women need to get back in the kitchen and make me a sammich or are they talking about feminist hypocrisy and double-standards. Because one of them is pretty fucking rare to me (as a guy you think I'd hear it more than you as a woman) and the other is what we've been putting up with for at least a decade.

There are plenty of good places for feminists to help. Saudi Arabia desperately could use some education on how to treat women.

Sitting on your laptop whining about oppression on a website that's open to everyone really makes you look silly.

[–]HarrietPotter 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

How so? Are you talking about r/mensrights or the fact that people talk about females in a sexual manner so causally? It happens.

No, I'm not talking about either of those things. As I said to abk0100, I'm talking about highly-upvoted posts on popular subreddits characterizing all or most women as vengeful/irrational/entitled/crazy/shallow/manipulative/paranoid/gold-digging/sexless/predatory/spoilt, etc.

Every time I turn on the TV it's nothing but male-bashing. It happens, right? It's just a joke right?

I know what you mean and it makes me uncomfortable as well, but it's a little different to what I'm talking about here. Most of the writers of those shows are themselves male, so it's a lot more acceptable for them to mock their own sex than it is for them to mock the opposite sex. Most of the posters on reddit are male, and it would be polite for them to avoid saying things that might make the minority feel more uncomfortable than we already do by virtue of being a minority. Reddit does the precise opposite of that.

Try being a guy that doesn't look as hot as Brad Pitt and talk to a girl in a bar. You'll be treated like absolute shit.

These are exactly the kind of comments I was talking about. I'm sorry if some girl was mean to you at a bar; but don't assume that she was mean to you because you're ugly and she's a woman.

Where, might I ask, are you hearing this anti-feminist slant?

Um, in general conversation, really.

Work? I highly doubt it, really. You could put a stop to it by going to your boss and saying you were offended at this hostile work environment. How, as a woman, you feel uncomfortable.

I really don't think I could complain to my boss about comments that offend me politically.

At a lunch, I had to listen to this female coworker make some stupid sexist joke about men. I noticed that the guys in the table had that awkward courtesy laugh. This is the shit I put up with all the time.

Well, that's not really acceptable and it sounds like the kind of thing you could have talked to your boss about.

Your husband (if you have one)? Just divorce his ass and tell the courts he emotionally abused you. Don't worry about evidence. If you don't come up with this idea, your lawyer will remind you.

Again, I just don't believe that this is true.

Should you hear mocking from elsewhere, what are they saying? Women need to get back in the kitchen and make me a sammich or are they talking about feminist hypocrisy and double-standards. Because one of them is pretty fucking rare to me (as a guy you think I'd hear it more than you as a woman) and the other is what we've been putting up with for at least a decade.

Neither of those things. Mainly casual comments ("feminists, eh?") that suggest the speaker thinks everybody shares his or her views on the subject.

There are plenty of good places for feminists to help. Saudi Arabia desperately could use some education on how to treat women.

Indeed; and there are feminist groups which specifically target women in oppressed nations.

Sitting on your laptop whining about oppression on a website that's open to everyone really makes you look silly.

I never described what I experience here as "oppression". I think "bullying" would be a better name for it.

[–]ThePigman 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If the second link's first five is anything to go by, they are complaining about a lot of statements that are more or less correct...

In my opinion every feminist is a abuser or a abuser apologist or a shield for other abusers. feminist mothers and schools are the creators of gen x slackers and gen y manchildren. The US and the UK are feminized states. ... If you think men 'fare quite well', then you are

either ignorant to the facts, or you are a feminist.

Gendered abuse is a feminist lie that protects female abusers and oppresses their victims. Feminists are often fraught with an unhealthy amount of self-importance.