Have Boys Become the Second Sex? -- New York Magazine

kanuk876 · 2011-08-20T09:18:49+00:00

Empirical evidence continues to mount that boys no longer have what it takes to succeed in school.

This language fucking pisses me off. They make it sound like the boys are responsible.

Empirical evidence continues to mount that institutionalized misandry supported by a legion of anti-male boy-hating feminist teachers is starting to have measurable effects.

FTFY.

LaPetiteM0rt · 2011-08-20T00:58:15+00:00

"To be fair, boys do tend to catch up to their female peers on both math and verbal test scores by high school. New York’s eight gifted high schools—Stuyvesant, Brooklyn Tech, etc.—have more boys enrolled than girls."

Indog · 2011-08-20T15:18:15+00:00

I was in a "gifted" class from grade 3. At age 7, they tested us for language, logic, math, puzzle solving, etc.

Our class was about 75% male. They made a particular effort to inform us that this was not because boys were smarter than girls. It was because, although equal numbers of boys and girls passed, boys were far more likely to accept an invitation than girls, who were more likely to not want to leave their friends behind at their old school.

This makes me wonder a few things: In the 60% female gifted classes in the article, are efforts made to reassure the boys that they aren't part of the dumber gender? Or is it acceptable if the boys happen to get this idea? Also, wtf, boys have friends too, and we're definitely IMO just as likely to not want to go. Is part of the reason that even 7 year old boys are expected to "man up", take some pain in order to have a greater chance at success in the future? In the form of parental insistence that they accept an offer to a gifted class?

It also makes me wonder if the purpose of gifted testing at age 4, before kindergarten, would be motivated by eliminating the social factors that supposedly make girls less likely to attend gifted schools. Without regard to whether testing at that age is actually fair to both genders.

Zorbius · 2011-08-20T02:15:52+00:00

After reading that, read this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/heidi-grant-halvorson-phd/girls-confidence_b_828418.html

And see how they come together.

disposable_human · 2011-08-20T00:17:59+00:00

We were always the expendable sex. EDIT: Enjoy this quote from the comments "They should take it one step further. Making it impossible for boys to reach any goals in life. They will feel so miserable that finally woman will step in and help. Help them and let them do cleaning jobs like cleaning our houses and all other manual labor jobs. Men would do all dirty work while woman rule. Men would serve and obay woman. As it always should have been. At least thats what my girlfriend tells me. I dont think it will work though. Although i mostly follow her orders around the house already. "

aaomalley · 2011-08-20T06:34:23+00:00

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2011-08-20T06:51:25+00:00

I hate articles like this. Its just a way for a previous generation who faced less discrimination to laugh at their own children's disadvantage, while calling them weak.

2011-08-20T12:47:03+00:00

This has been the case for years as we have been saying, the article is just the mainstream catching up.

ThePigman · 2011-08-20T01:48:59+00:00

Yes.

Balthazare · 2011-08-20T13:26:30+00:00

It's an issue that what gets tested for at a very early age is something girls have a natural advantage of but those roles as the sexes mature:

as one commentator below says: I think it's due to the shift in high school away from verbal skills towards a greater emphasis on spatial awareness and problem solving skills.

The question then is there a way we can shift the tests that are conducted to allow for a more equitable distribution of the sexes attending selective schools?

unkyunk · 2011-08-20T23:45:13+00:00

"To apply for a gifted program, children as young as 4 are required to sit through hour-long verbal exams. The patience and communication skills required all play to the strengths of girls."

You know what isn't helping the USA? A bunch of people with highly tuned verbal skills. I mean,we need them, its just that there are too many of them. We need more people with expertise in math and science. We have a shortage of that over here.

Title	Have Boys Become the Second Sex? -- New York Magazine
Author	darkamir
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Date	August 20, 2011 12:17 AM UTC (14 years ago)
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