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Caning is used as a punishment for both criminals and students in Singapore, but only males are caned, including school boys.

Vista_Seagrape

May 27, 2021
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Title Caning is used as a punishment for both criminals and students in Singapore, but only males are caned, including school boys.
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Vista_Seagrape

Upvotes 191
Comments 29
Date May 27, 2021 4:56 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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[–]lightning_palmleft-wing male advocate 22 points23 points24 points 5 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

Extremely gruesome statement of a Singaporean caning officer (below). I don't know if it's true, got it from Quora.

Edit: Checking the linked Wikipedia article, this seems to be very plausible.

Source: https://qr.ae/pGKJQj

I was Caning officer of Changi prison in Singapore for almost 12 long years. I have caned more 1150 inmates during these 12 years. Earlier there used to be large number of mens being caned, but now in recent years the number has decreased. Now maximum men recieve only 2 or 3 strokes of cane. Rarely a man gets 24 strokes of cane.Some get 5–6 strokes. Earlier, the number of strokes for each man was quite high.

We as a caning officer, have to apply all our weights to cane a man. We are given special training for caning. I had won several medals in martials arts and javelin throw. A caning officer should have a very good arm. We give strokes to all males at an interval of 30 seconds.

We cane all males to make cuts across their whole buttocks.All men cry like babies. There is profuse bleeding from buttocks and cuts that we gave it to inmates. We try to distribute the pain in all area of the butt of the inmates.We can’t give a stroke twice to a man, if it misses, then the chance is gone. As everyone knows, the complete body of man is naked, except a tiny cloth across his penis.

A man has to bend in 90 degrees and show his buttocks. We also have mandatory distance between legs of a man. If the legs of inmate are apart, then it inflicts more pain to buttocks of a man and more bleeding. It is like chopping the buttocks of a man, the flesh of buttocks may fly away in air also.

A caning officer can give only 6 strokes at one time to a male inmate, the reason being, thr caning officer gets tired. All strokes should have equal force and pain to the buttocks of a man. We are not allowed to show mercy to them. All men struggle in the Caning stand, they are not able to move, but all men move with a force like that of animals. They try to shake their buttocks and save them from strokes, but all are unsucessful and struggle a lot during whole process.

We show a little mercy to a man who poops, pee and other discharge from body while caning. We wait until a man passes his urine and feaces and then cane him. If a man vomits, faints, etc or not able to take his punishment, then we stop after doctor’s signal.

Most wealthy men, having political connections, etc give us bribes sometimes, so that we miss out a stroke or give him the strokes lightly. I have seen many officers taking bribes from prisoners. Caning and imprisonment is mandatory.

After caning a man he cripples and is not able to walk. He is taken to a bed, after that his buttocks are applied medicines and ointments. It takes 1 or 2 months time to heal, but black stripes across buttocks are permanent for a man caned.All men are in terrible pain after caning, some prison officials also provide them weed and other stuff to relieve pain if given money.

But, All men are not able to poop, urinate after their caning. Some men find it difficult to pass normal stools everyday after caning. This causes a serious problems for many men. They are required to be hospitalized, if required. Some men develop intestine disorders after their canings and can lose their lives also after the process.

All men have watery discharge from their buttocks for some days. They are advised not to wear clothes for some days. But some men wear clothes and their wounds don’t heal.

According to me, caning should be on back side, just above spinal cord. The caning should be such that, It should not take lives of inmates.Ass, buttocks is a vital part for anyone, even animals. So anyone can die after hard and long canings, if he is not able to poop and pee.

Note: More questions in comments will not be answered. Please frame other questions, I will answer them seperately. I am not bound to diclose my name as per rules. Canings take place in closed compound only. Sometimes, other officials may witness the punishment. Please don’t believe any fake rumours. In prison, the inmates themselves spread rumours.Even the toughest man is in fear and gets terrible feeling because of which he talks insane. We don’t allow others to witness the humiliation of a man. We alone make a man humiliate, cane him hard in closed premise and make to stay him naked for a few days.

[–]lordfrank18 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Barbarians. Period.

[–]PricklyGoober 15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I bet a feminist had an orgasm reading that.

But seriously that is f’d up, even if many of the men receiving those punishment did very horrible things. If they were born a different way, they would be a “protected species”, regardless of how many horrible deeds they did.

[–]lightning_palmleft-wing male advocate 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

If you read the Wikipedia article, it's enough to overstay by more than 90 days (as a foreigner). The caning is mandatory in that case. So no, it's absolutely not necessary to do "something horrible".

[–]PricklyGoober -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

While that is true, in practice I dont think it is really applied for such cases. As a Singaporean, most of the cases of men getting caned in Singapore prisons were convicted for serious offences such as rape. Usually murder = death penalty. There was a recent case about an evil woman who abused her maid to death, which I reckon if the abuser was a man, would warrant the caning as well (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/gaiyathiri-murugayan-admits-killing-maid-piang-ngaih-don-14263088).

But for sure, just like how the stupid but seldom enforced local laws of being illegal to be gay (but not lesbian). I think examples like yours shouldnt be written in law at all.

[–]lightning_palmleft-wing male advocate 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If the Wikipedia article is right, then it must be applied in such a case.

Also, if you read the article, you'll find cases like:

  • vandalising an MRT train by spraypainting it
  • another case of vandalization
  • drug consumption
  • illegally employing workers
  • molesting a drunk woman (however, I don't know the extent of the 'molesting')
  • participating in a riot

All of these had caning as consequences.

The fact it can leave permanent scars and permanent internal organ damage is most horrifying. It's extremely sexist that this treatment is only applied to men.

[–]PricklyGoober 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes but the vast majority are sexual assault/rapes. Hence I used “many of the men”, not all. I also did not say it wasnt sexist. I have witnessed the public caning of a schoolboy when I was 8. He was being disruptive in class, like most 10 year olds tend to be. Extremely humiliating, and I wouldnt wish it on anyone.

I as a Singaporean would know how sexist and how normalised it is to be sexist towards men. Some of my own relatives (younger women particularly) have the same “woke” culture that hate on men.

[–]lightning_palmleft-wing male advocate 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Some of my own relatives (younger women particularly) have the same “woke” culture that hate on men.

Quite ironic how anyone can be like that in a country with caning for men only and conscription for 2 years for every male citizen.

I can't imagine what school life must be like for a male with a mental disorder such as ADD, tourette's or autism.

You have my deepest sympathies.

[–]PricklyGoober 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh there is a stigma against mental illness here. Plus we are infamous for having horrible work-life balance. I guess everything is dandy if you are well to do enough, which applies to most places anyways.

And another particularly sexist incident in school was when I was 11, this female teacher would enter the room everyday and ask all the boys to stand up immediately. For being disruptive. Even if some of the disruption were from the girls. And not all the boys were being disruptive.

Plus growing up in the internet era, you’ll get exposed to lots of feminist rhetoric. I know for sure I grew up with low self-esteem, even asking myself if I was the problem at times. I am now much more confident, mainly because I may be close to perfecting the art of not giving a fuck. But i know alot of boys and young men don’t really get over that hump, so I do try my best to ask my male friends how they are doing from time to time. It’s also why I stopped chatting with those relatives of mine, as I have more self-respect than tk listen to them implying I’m part of the problem for existing.

[–]skellious 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I really hope the average feminist can't approve of this.

[–]TheLWMA 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the average feminist means well, but unfortunately they're brainwashed with feminist propaganda. They still want to help men, but only from a "feminist" perspective, as they believe that men solving their own issues will "continue the status quo".

Radical feminists (or as they should be called: "female supremacists"), on the other hand..... Oh, yes. I sure they enjoyed reading that answer from Quora.

[–]problem_redditorright-wing guest 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You underestimate what terrible people most feminists are.

[–]Threwaway42 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s sad how all the other discussions of this mention caning is used but none mentioned the systemic sexism with it

[–]Vista_Seagrape[S] 45 points46 points47 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Direct and blatant disparity of legal rights, an extra punishment is reversed for males, even children. It is a violent punishment that causes physical damage and trauma.

[–]Solid-Perspective98 31 points32 points33 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget military caning for conscripts, who are all male as well.

[–]Banake 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This reminded me, my father said that when he went to do his military enlistment, in Brazil during the 70s, during the medical exam, they made everyone there form a line and strip naked. Fortunately, this particular practice was not used anymore when I went to enlist. I actually asked the doctor who made my exam about it and he just said that "It isn't done anymore."

[–]Solid-Perspective98 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My enlistment examination was conducted in private.

[–]Banake 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The Revolt of the Lash, in Brazil, was about this.

[–]Solid-Perspective98 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting. I did not know this.

[–]random13980 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s awful

[–]MapleSyrup612left-wing male advocate 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Singaporean here. So true

[–]Tmomp 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

/r/BlatantSexism

/r/blatantmisandry2

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/r/everydaymisandry is the one we use

[–]hehimCA 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. Sad but not surprising. Thanks for posting.

[–]hendrixski 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In general, isn't corporal punishment a "men's issue"?

[–]Banake 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

David Benatar has a great discussion about this in his The Second Sexism.

[–]Skinnyguy202 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think they should do that... but that’s just me

[–]OirishM 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting, I hadn't heard of this. Thanks for posting

[–]MapleSyrup612left-wing male advocate 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There was this thread on r/Singapore a few months ago that talked about men’s rights

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