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China bans 'sissy men' from TV and demands masculine role models as President Xi expands war on fame

furchfur

September 2, 2021
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951089/China-bans-sissy-men-TV-new-crackdown.html
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Title China bans 'sissy men' from TV and demands masculine role models as President Xi expands war on fame
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furchfur

Upvotes 121
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Date September 2, 2021 7:49 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–]Dogrose22 37 points38 points39 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s actually terrifying, dictating that only the ‘right’ type of people are worthy and allowed to do certain things has echoes of horrific historic eras that caused suffering and anguish to many, many people.

The fact that such suppression and enforced social conditioning appears to be happening in several countries and that it seems to be largely ignored makes me afraid.

I don’t particularly like social media, many new films or series, most modern music or fashion but I’m able to choose not to participate/ watch/ wear... etc. while also acknowledging and appreciating other people’s rights to do and watch what they choose - and that’s the crucial point, we have a choice - I fear greatly for those whose choices, voices and lives are being eroded and taken from them.

[–]naytreox 35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link

Well then, America is fucked and I'm probably going to be among the dead in a few years because of this up and coming war we are going to face.

[–]ourllcool 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link

How? Looking masculine now equates to being masculine? I’m tired of all the men saying we’re gonna lose and die to China. Yeah with that attitude we might. Inclusion is a strong suit of ours. Intolerance leads to great inefficiency.

God am I sick of all the we’re doomed against China people. Fear mongers.

[–]naytreox 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Masculinity isn't just about "looking masculine" though it can help a man's self esteem. Its about the masculine attitude and ideals that China is doing.

Meanwhile the US is busy shaming and demonizing masculinity as something toxic and trying to say emotionally weak and non-masculine traits are the new masculinity.

Did you forget about the new army advertising that focuses less on how powerful and dangerous the US army is and more on how emotional and inclusive is it?

We are indeed fucked.

[–]ourllcool -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Looking masculine or looking powerful? Confident? Put together? We certainly encourage people to become powerful. Maybe masculinity is a tired out old concept that has you grasping at straws trying to figure out what makes a country strong. An authoritarian, intolerant regime is not the answer. It never has been. Not sure what country you’re living in but it’s chocked full of different types of people. Strong, weak, in between. We’ve learned a lot of lessons over the years on what to do and what not to do.

You know women are also in the army. Feminine women are in the army. Did women make Stalin’s army worse? They fought like hell.

Real question have you ever been in the army ?

You apparently pick and choose what you see because there are plenty of Call of Duty style marine ads. So stop with the selective fear mongering.

This all strikes me as you not having confidence in American Military Might. The most technologically advanced army in the world. Because muh China is more masculine and muh they have more soldiers enlisted. Because that’s what win wars. Not technology or strategy or anything like that.

[–]Shaymin281287 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

And how is being inclusive dangerous to the army exactly ?

[–]naytreox 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

See that's a trap, instead of focusing on how dangerous the army is it focuses on being soft the army is which our enemies can see, they will see weakness on focusing on "every soldier is a person with feelings"

The army should not have this as their outward perception, instead it should just be about patriotism and how deadly out military is. The "inclusivity" shouldn't be front and center but a given, take any citizen willing to fight and die for their country.

Nothing good comes from virtue signaling, it's both hollow, shallow and pointless.

[–]Shaymin281287 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Except that by putting more focus on the dangerous aspect, not nearly as many people will join the army, because no one really wants to die

[–]naytreox 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I meant how dangerous the military is, not the dangers of military service, those are two different things.

[–]Shaymin281287 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Most people aren't super enthusiastic at the thought of killing and harming others either....

[–]someone_butnoone 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

If they arent prepared to do what is nessasary to protect themselves and others, they should really not be alive bcos their life contribution is limited to global warming then

[–]Shaymin281287 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

People aren't tools that need to contribute to something ? If you think that your worth is related to your contribution, go in some 3rd world country to "contribute" and die

[–]someone_butnoone 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Then no one is worth living by that logic

[–]Shaymin281287 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There's no required worth to be able to live, life isn't a competition, if you're alive, you're "worth* living

[–]someone_butnoone 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Then why are we being hypocrites by punishing criminals and murderes, giving them death sentences. They are alive, dont contribute, but u said they are worth living if they are alive. Are u a hypocrite?

[–]Shaymin281287 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

First of all, they don't get the death penalty because they don't contribute, they get it cause they contribute negatively

Second of all, I don't remembered saying I support the death penalty ?

[–]ourllcool -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I think you’re gravely mistaken if you think people wouldn’t fight tooth and nail and come together to defend this nation. War unites us more than anything unfortunately, but true. Just like it did after Pear Harbor. Just like it did after 9/11. Our army has low enlistment because we have no real enemies. We haven’t had any true enemies in a long while. Do you think Vietnam was a just war ? It wasn’t. There’s presently no major threat to the U.S. it’s just a lot of fear mongers like you complaining about how we’re fucked yet not actually doing anything about it.

Join the army if you really believe China is gonna fuck us. Oh what? It’s easier to bitch online? Oh ok.

[–]naytreox 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't survive boot camp.

[–]ourllcool 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feel Better. I think a common thing with fear mongers like you is they don’t really have a clue what each military is really fielding. You know some broad things like China has more soldiers. Nothing about our military spending or technological advantages.

[–]someone_butnoone 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

U think people to who like to whine and cry about others not accepting them will help in the army?

[–]someone_butnoone 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ouh yes, i am gonna join the army, no shit. But the army dont need pathetic softies that act as a burden. Like what the majority of the US is. We need to guide our young boys

[–]Flight1326 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Well if you are speaking in terms of military might America is probably screwed not only because Chinas military is bigger but they will have lots of really strong allies. Biggest pain they will have is india but pakistan would probably strike a deal with china and that would dampen indias military might.

Plus they would have russian and North korea and likely also a fair few middle eastern countries.

Idk maybe I'm wrong. Like NATO is an extremly valuble asset in war on china. But idk.

[–]ourllcool 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Right more soldiers equals better army right? You didn’t mention that China spends considerably less training their soldiers and that their soldiers don’t wear body armor.

[–]Shitbagsoldier 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats wrong because china has been modernizing. China also doesn't appear to be as concerned with worldwide force projection https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-modernizing-military

[–]Flight1326 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It worked for the soviets in WW2 against the germans. Why would it not work against the Americans.

[–]ourllcool 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would argue Germany lost in part due to the failed operation Barbarossa. This devastated his army in a way the Germans would not recover. It would be as if we sent an entire army into China gun ho. I don’t think we would do that if our military leadership knows anything about war.

[–]Nobodyinc1 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And you know three others counties armies too for Hitler to fight

[–]ourllcool -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It initially didn’t work until Hitler took the reigns and attacked Stalingrad. We would have to make a similar mistake of I don’t know destroying an entire army on a battle we should have never initiated. The American public would hold leadership accountable for loss of lives and that wouldn’t have been acceptable. It was hardly acceptable for the US in WWII.

[–]ourllcool 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

America is not only what because of what? You don’t finish the sentence. Got it.

[–]ourllcool -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think a war would be stupid completely unnecessary unless China initiated first. We shouldn’t attack only defend. We don’t have a large active military because morale is an an all time low. We don’t want to be the world police anymore. Our soldiers aren’t dumb. They are exposed to all types of information just like we are.

[–]Flight1326 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh absolutely a defensive tactic I believe would be in everyone's best interest anyway. War tends to just cause more war.

[–]ourllcool 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Especially in today’s age with all these incredibly tall buildings. The loss of capital would be immense on both sides. It would be economically devastating to both. I don’t know how anyone could calculate that a war especially when both countries have nukes would be in any way worth it.

[–]someone_butnoone 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, but staying still and whining about the world not changing instead of us like feminists is what WILL DEFINITELY lead to the destruction of the US. We need to embrace masculinity, teach and guide young boys to face the world. "Inclusion" here is pathetic cause a bunch of people wanting others to change instead of they themselves changing will have the reverse effect.

[–]PrenticeN 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Meanwhile in America, masculinity is deemed toxic and men are encouraged to cut off their balls and become "transwomen."

[–]leavittar 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sad

[–]_still_unsure_ 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, this subreddit criticizes FDS then goes on to be transphobic…

[–]ourllcool -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Meanwhile in the same America, Men kill each other everyday and are encouraged to keep killing each other. It’s almost like there’s a balance somewhere in the middle. But hey let’s applaud the authoritarian regime and fear monger. You’re sounding like the sissies you’re afraid of. Not confident in your countries abilities to wage war and defend?

[–]MercurysonofJupiter 40 points41 points42 points 4 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link

To the people applauding this...why are so many commenters in a men's rights sub so hateful toward other men--who don't happen to fit your stereotype of what a man has to be? Doesn't that hurt men in general, by putting expectations and burdens on them? Like, are we only for rights of certain kinds of men?

[–]hendrixski 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Exactly! Traditional gender roles have been the yoke that oppresses men for centuries. Now that that system of control being challenged, the ruling class can see their control slipping away. So they're like "oh no you don't. Back in your cage" and they ban media that depicts men liberating themselves from being soldier/provider/worker archetypes.

Nobody who supports men should support any government policing manhood.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

men liberating themselves from being soldier/provider/worker archetypes.

On the contrary - sissy boys are buying into the dominant paradigm that women are the dominant sex and pandering to that. Rather than liberating themselves - they are becoming slaves to the new paradigm.

Besides like it or not there are significant biological differences between the sexes - which is why these "archetypes" exist in the first place.

[–]ULFS_MAAAAAX 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude what? Being a feminine man, cross dressing, or etc. doesn't mean you believe woman are the dominant sex.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cross dressing and dressing like a woman implies you are subconciously accepting women as the dominant gender. Otherwise youd dress as a man and wouldnt be "feminine" lmao

[–]Nobodyinc1 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

So god forbid I can’t grow a beard or have a naturally slender build. Or even worse facial features I can’t change

Read the article it is a ban based on looks not actions.

Guess what not every person can be broad chest mic broad chest so we should deny them Career path or ignore talent based on looks?

It not a god dam 18 year old fault they look like an 18 year old. So that means they should be allowed on tv?

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ypu can have a slender build, but if you put on muscle you will look wider. Having wide shoulders is a function of muscle mass. And facial features is a function of body fat. Stop being skinny fat and put on some muscle.

[–]Shaymin281287 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You have issues dude, being feminine isn't believing women are superior

Just like plenty of butch women can advocate for feminism because they're still women, feminine men can advocate for men's rights

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is about womens supremacy. Its a female supremacy movement. Look at the laws they make (no fualt divorce, women winning custody 90% of the time, etc)

A feminine man is not a man and therefore cannot advocate for mens rights. The presence of a dick does not a man make. Where Eunuchs men even though they had dicks?

[–]Shaymin281287 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Women winning custody isn't a law, it's a byproduct of mmale judge being biased towards women and considering them victimes by default

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And you're right, having a dick doesn't make a man, identifying as a man does 🥰 So iof you wear makeup and skirts and have a vagina, if you have gender dysphoria and choose to identify as a man, you're one 😁

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Also, you don't need to be a man to advocate for men's rights, but whatevs

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Being a man is not about "how you identify" lmao. You can identify as a washing machine for all i care. Doesnt make you one lmao

[–]Shaymin281287 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So feeling like a man and living your life as male isn't enough to make you a man, but putting on a piece of cloth that's not cut in a way you approve of and wa tbh to look good is enough to make you not-a-man ?

I was gonna tell you to take a shower, but ironically, it's a whole ass washing machine we need to get that incel smell and these gross outdated views on masculinity out of you

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Masculinity is spiritual. Having a penis does not make "masculinity". And dressing like a woman, only makes you a eunuch, not a man.

[–]Shaymin281287 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Whoever declared that these clothes only belong to women ? A century ago women wearing pants was considered weird, are you shocked when you see a woman in jeans in the streets ? Does that make them a man ? Nah.

Why would the reverse be true

[–]colombomumbojumbo 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great observation. 100% agree. Men don't like other men. This is why the MRM fails so often. btw - ''Real man'' just means ''men who serve women''. Most men love their servitude

[–]SolarEngine89 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Does promoting unhealthy standarts hurts men in general? It does. Especially young ones, who still are developing.

Why should majority be hurt for minority being able to seek attention?

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Lmao you sound like a feminist. You sure you arent on the wrong sub?

There is no "stereotype" of what a man has to be - its biological - which is why sexual dimorphism between men and woman exists. Its not only physical but psychological as well.

[–]colombomumbojumbo 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

lol - so a feminist would be FOR protecting the rights of all men while you are against this. Wow, no wonder the MRM is shite

[–]Chaddeus_Rex -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I dont ask people to protect my rights. I protect them with my fists and brain

[–]colombomumbojumbo 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol - you are a loser

[–]Axleonder 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You sound like a feminist in the wrong sub.

It's feminists who want to keep men locked in rigid gender roles, as feminists only push to remove gender restrictions for women.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So you basically wanna be a woman but with a dick? Gotcha

[–]Axleonder 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Where did I suggest I want to become a woman?—Nowhere, nutcase.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You said you are a feminine man which is code for wanting to be a woman

[–]Axleonder 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I didn't even say that. Lunatics like you always perceive other men to be "feminine" in order to attack them.

I'm sure you're a scrawny "unmasculine" deselected man. Men who attack "feminine men" are always like this.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wanna compare physiques?

[–]Varmio_Pirat 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, he never said that, you're a pathological liar and also a feminist, get out of here.

[–]Nobodyinc1 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This ban is all about physical. If it’s all biological then all men look the same right? Unless biology makes people look different who would guessed.

[–]Shaymin281287 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm feminist and believe in men's rights ? Why would you be in the wrong sub if you're feminist

Both men and women have struggles, you don't have to support one or the other

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Thats contradictory - you cant be a feminist and for mens rights those are mutually exclusive psns

[–]Shaymin281287 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why ? If I advocate for women's rights, I'm going to want women to be treated good, how does that prevent men from also being treated good ? You can treat everyone nicely, there's not a limited amount of happiness in the world sweetie

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Women being treated well is simple politeness. Besides women have achieved equality with men. That means that feminism is not needed. The fact it exists only proves that its a supremacy movement

[–]Shaymin281287 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They haven't tho

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How not tho? More women are in post secondary education than men, win most court cases related to custody, get more scholarships and scholarship funds, more likely to get hired if they got big tits, make more money than men.

Seems like women are more equal then men. So feminism is about female supremacy.

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[–]LoveHotelCondom 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Troll somewhere else.

[–]gundamjazz 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So called macho masculine men are the slaves enforcers of women.

[–]YetAnotherCommenter 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck the Chinese government.

[–]lightning_palm 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link

It seems like they're preparing for a war with their ban on gamers, and now their ban on femboys. Sad times for femboys in China. 😟

This is also relevant: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

And to anyone here saying 'good': fuck you!

[–]RunCompetitive9683 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link

So is this a education for gay men or just feminine men because the second one makes sense a strong society needs masculinity men most western men are pathetic beta's the west has been attacking masculinity for decades

[–]lightning_palm 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

No, it's not good to attack masculinity either.

Everyone just wants to reshape men's psyche into what THEY want, to make them useful to society. Too masculine, too feminine, to who the fuck knows what is next. WHY CAN'T MEN JUST BE THEMSELVES?

I'm SICK of it. And people like you are also the problem, just like those feminists that talk about "toxic masculinity" and "the patriarchy" and push men into self flagellation.

Why can't a man just be the way he wants to be without facing backlash or even prohibitions and re-education? Everyone just wants to dictate how men should behave, and what their values should be. But that is none of your business who thinks that men need to be masculine to properly "serve" society, and none of those feminists' business, who think they can heroically help men become "human" by allowing them the ability to feel emotions. What kind of fuckery is that? Why do you even care? Just let me do what I want. I'm in the process of making my own startup, and I don't need to be told to be "useful" to society. And even if I wasn't, that is none of your business.

Yes, I know feminizing men is often used in a way to demasculinize them. Which is bad. Which is why I'm for just allowing people the way they want to be. Men shouldn't have to feel ashamed for being masculine, but neither should they feel ashamed for being feminine. Why can't men's gender expression be as fluid as it is for women? Just let us be, goddamn.

[–]Axleonder 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are getting jumped on by tradcon fake-MRAs who have no purpose to be on this subreddit. Don't let them get you down.

[–]Nobodyinc1 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Insert mister incredible meme here

“Men are MEN. “

No one has the right to tell anyone man what it means to be a man. Man hood is personal, it is self discovery and self defined.

Same thing for women.

Edit: gonna go even one further since this ban isn’t on things like writing characters in a show put purely about looks. So we are gonna bully fellow men over looks and lick them out of the club?

[–]RunCompetitive9683 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

The issue is that in the west we already have this and the male suicide rate is through the roof masculinity isn't fluid unless you're gay even then most of the time you're portraying something you're not 90% of the us male population is feminine in one way or another and it's a disaster if you're completely heterosexual and not attracted to men what reason is they're to be feminine that benefits you as a men

[–]Axleonder 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Make suicide is the way it is due to rigid gender roles where men are made to overwork and receive zero support—rigid masculine gender roles which feminists demand men confirm to BTW. So you are lying again.

[–]RunCompetitive9683 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Gender roles in the west aren't even respected no support I agree with that men aren't taught to control they're emotion's also why is it that in a society where a men is shamed for being a masculine man the suicide rate so high to me it's self explanatory.

[–]Axleonder 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

They are not respected because women have no reason to respect men, but can still demand and place gender roles onto men. It is as simple as that.

[–]RunCompetitive9683 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Most western men are literally submissive to they're women which is inherently beta women are disgusted by beta males bill gates if you saw pictures of him in his 20s and saw his personality was a beta male women are attracted to ambitious men because they know if he succeeds I'm set for life

[–]Axleonder 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Nope. All men are submissive to women, through all history, and all countries. There's no so-called "non-beta/alpha" men who are not submissive to women.

You're just a deranged anti-male lunatic, rambling debunked pseudo-scientific nonsense like "beta" and "alpha".

You don't belong in men's rights.

[–]RunCompetitive9683 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You're not speaking in reality you're being emotional and ignoring the fact that a men can't submit to a women and be alpha the literally definition of beta is submitting to a women and a women will never respect a man that submits to her authority also you can't debunk reality those are just you're personal beliefs. how about this do you think a women will love a man based solely off personality and nothing else or the men with a assertive personality with status and wealth

[–]lightning_palm -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

idk man, sounds like you're just insecure in your own masculinity

[–]RunCompetitive9683 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

U sound like a women usually when u say something that they disagree with they attack you're masculinity but these are my boundaries just like women don't date bums I don't date "party girls"

[–]Axleonder 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A tradcon loser like you most likely isn't getting any dates, and you'd accept the whif of a "party girl" at the first chance you are given. Your empty posturing reeks from a mile.

[–]Axleonder 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

You are in the wrong subreddit, tradcon. This sub is "mensrights" not "tradconcentral". Also you tradcons don't give a shit about society, you just want a woman who will accept you as their bitch. Save your excuses.

[–]RunCompetitive9683 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Interesting what exactly does being feminine as a heterosexual men help why are you advocating for shit we already have that isn't working and is only hurting straight dudes while it doesn't matter because most men are freaking brainwashed by feminism to act like women

[–]Axleonder 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Men are not brainwashed by feminists to act like women, as feminists are pushing men to be more rigidly masculine than ever. Stop lying.

[–]RunCompetitive9683 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Most men are beta males with no self respect when it comes to women if I tell my girl she can't have guy friends because it's disrespectful to me or she can't go to the club with her female friends unless I'm there I'm insecure and toxically masculine and controlling agreed?

[–]Axleonder 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You have no self-respect and you're hostile to other men, tradcon. Begone from the MRM with you.

Unlikely you have a girlfriend. Also you wouldn't order her not to have male friends or go to clubs without your permission. You'd be happy just to have a woman accept you to make into her bitch, where she can order you not to have female friends or to enjoy activities without her permission. You tradcons are all like this.

[–]RunCompetitive9683 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

If a women respect's u and you're a masculine men making 6 figures you can definitely do this you're literally describing a beta male with no options

[–]Axleonder 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol, if you're a provider slave with a massive earning, you can bribe her to stick around you for a while. This is all you are saying. You will never get her respect though. She can still divorce you and claim alimony from you, and get her pay check that way instead of being with you.

[–]RunCompetitive9683 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That shit doesn't work the richest men in the world wives divorced them women don't give a shit about your money they care about the lifestyle that it can bring which is why u need your women to respect you all I said was my boundaries to a serious relationship she can find someone else I'm not forcing her to stay ur acting like I'm an abusive asshole for having boundaries

[–]lightning_palm 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This sub is "mensrights" not "tradconcentral".

Thanks, I had a laugh. 👍

[–]Axleonder 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nope, the west hasn't been attacking masculinity. It's just the standard women expect of masculinity has gotten higher so most men including yourself can't reach it. You are telling another tradcon lie.

[–]RunCompetitive9683 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No it hasn't you're trying to change masculinity into something it's not most modern men aren't even masculine they're beta which is the opposite of masculine feminist literally created a bs term like toxic masculinity which is just the aspects of masculinity that they don't like.

[–]Shaymin281287 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On r/mensrights

Hate other men for being manly in the wrong way

[–]Nobodyinc1 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

It’s not to make men more manly. It’s to convince them it’s okay to die. Same shit we saw with Hitler youth.

Also ironically weak man is the sign of a dictator ship type government. The default to keep power for a ruling class is to keep the average man and woman weak. China complaints are the problems caused by a communist government come home.

Also side note the ussr fell apart roughly 70 years after it gained complete control of Russia.

The Prc is at 72 and showing cracks

[–]lightning_palm -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

True. To quote Dr. Warren Farrell:

"Regarding a boy as a hero is a social bribe that we created; a social bribe for that boy to be disposable. […] Love is blind enough for him to never acknowledge that a woman who falls in love with the officer and a gentleman is attaching her love in part to his potential disposability. […] For parents raising a daughter meant caring about her safety but raising a boy meant being caught between a parental rock and a hard place. We wanted our son to be safe, for sure, but we also wanted to feel proud that he served his country in time of war. So whether as a soldier, a firefighter or another first responder we give social bribes for young men to die; why? So that his potential for death might increase our potential for life."

[–]Nobodyinc1 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

China mentions time snd time again “Army Hero’s”. It’s a very different idea between sacrificing for those you care about aka firefighter or even first responders then it is BE a sacrifice.

China is pushing that you should be a sacrifice not that one should choose to sacrifice for others.

[–]lightning_palm -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The quote mentions "serving in times of war" and calling men "army's heroes" is exactly that, a social bribe.

[–]Nobodyinc1 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree my point was you can encourage things like the idea of protecting others or making sacrifice without the social bribe without glorifying the idea of being a sacrifice.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Found the femboy

[–]murtaza2805 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck off

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What? Manly men. Misogyny!

[–]flowingwisdom13 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They can just play with generations’ conditioning at will to match their political and financial goals. How long before it’s beneficial to revert to good old feminism? Just sickening.

[–]faafiel 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Their civilisation is 5000 years old lol. To them another 209 years is nothing. Question is whether the USA will be around in 200 years LOL

[–]GrimnirBjorn 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well he also banned Winnie the Pooh so

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

False. You can find winnie the pooh in any mall in china

[–]GrimnirBjorn -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well actually you can find Winnie the Pooh running the country

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And hes doing a better job of it than the americans are doing of their own LOL

[–]DecisionNext7385 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

where is Reddit uprage over this? surely this is worse than what's happening in Texas

[–]Nobodyinc1 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes and no? The difference being people in Texas can effect the law were as in China is Just government says so words are kinda meaningless unless you think it’s boycott or ww3 starting levels of wrong?

America is in theory a democracy so in theory debate by civilian is natural? China not so much. Beyond saying bad China it’s not like people can do much. And it’s not like solidarity matters because of the Chinese censors

[–]SolarEngine89 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

Well, maybe that's finally one right thing done by Winne the Xi.

I am not against effeminate guys as a type, to each its own, but problem is not with guys being effeminate. Problem is with whole culture,promoting vanity, consumerism, ignorance and all. I think, that is the point, why Chinese did what they did.

[–]Starmind0 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

No, they are disgusting misandrists who can't stand men doing what they like.

[–]SolarEngine89 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

It is not to many time/ability to do what you like,If you want to be in charge of society or have some weight in it.

I think we seen enough, what happens when this position is given to whoever shouts louder.

Variations may and should exist, but as variations. Not as a trend.

[–]Starmind0 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Irrelevant. Banning men from literally being free isn't eliminating "trends". That disgusting action is in no way humanely acceptable. Quit excusing it.

[–]SolarEngine89 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Freedom comes in many flavors.

You can cut your leg and say that you are "free from tyranny of shoes". But I think this type of freedom is silly.

Promoting behavior patterns, that lead to men being unable to be respected and succesfull in society is also a silly type of freedom.

Freedom is ability to construct what you want, not degrade yourself. Too many people see freedom as an excuse fot irresponsibility, chaos and manipulation of others.

Assuming how blindly people follow social trends, you for instance, I doubt most of them really need "freedom" or even know what to do with it.

[–]Starmind0 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

You are literally comparing feminine men to people cutting themselves and saying "it's my freedom" indicating that femininity is bad for men? They are not degrading themselves, you are just clearly hateful towards feminine men. Let me remind you, all men matter. Whether they are masculine or feminine, gay or straight, white or black. All men deserve equal respect and treatment.

[–]SolarEngine89 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

In current age and stage - if you see feminity as being weak and overty- sensitive - yes.

We have COVID, social passivity, upcoming economical problems, who knows what other shit?

It is definitely not a time to be soft. Or you are happy with feminists running the show?

I think not, why else you be on this sub?

Plus, men need role models to be men. And we have lack of modern adequate role models, that can teach guys to be responsible, strong, faithfull, respect themselfs, and be overall fit to live in modern world.

Instead society says "man are trash", and shuns natural traits of men saying, that they are no longer needed. In that situation I can say, that young guys do not need more effeminate role models.

They need more masculine role models. Those who like it other way will find them anyway. That is majority that concerns me. We give too much attention to minorities anyway, forgetting about others. That's just discrimination.

So. Tldr. Yes, feminity is bad for men (at majority) because men are men. Men are not women. Feminity is good for women. There is a reason, why humans have two sexes after all.

[–]leavittar 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with you, but the problem is that men don't get many masculine role models, because of all the actors and political people and athletes etc etc, if they were to be masculine and put their foot down, they would be canceled. So everybody has to follow the status quo and the status quo is to be more feminine. I am a female and I think men need to have way more rights, and that's why I'm on the sub. But I miss masculine men, I am lucky enough to have found one to be with forever, but then need to be men again

[–]SolarEngine89 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Status quo is to be femine, till there is something heavy to lift/fight war/"do something, you are a man!".

This have not changed, therefore "status quo" is not really status quo, but a fraud and fashion. Faction is really Fata Morgana.It changes easily.

Men need to have more rights, but that's a part of problem. As far as I see modern women are not to happy with feminism either. So the whole modern system needs to be revised and changed to accommodate needs of people, not backwards.

[–]Starmind0 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You are clearly mixing masculinity and femininity with feminism and misandry. They're not the same. Feminine man isn't a feminist man. Feminine men are men who don't like the masculine personality, it's that simple. Merely personalities. But you're trying to make it complicated to justify your hate towards feminine men. And who said feminine men can't be tough? They can because again, femininity is merely a personality, not a lifestyle of weakness. Men need male role models in general, not necessarily masculine ones. All men are needed. We are not feminists or tradcons, MRM clearly DOESN'T attack masculinity. We definitely support masculine men here just as much as any other type of men. That's not defending the disgusting "men are trash" bullshit. Personally I prefer men are angels♡

[–]SolarEngine89 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Nah. I don't.

I am just saying, that vanity culture that promotes among other things, feminine men is a good ground for promoting feminism, dissolving social order and getting feminists or any extremists on top under the aegis of "freedom" and "equality".

All men are needed. But. Basic traits of men are basic traits of men. Young men should be able to have models of this basics. Always. And other options as alternative, if they so choose.

We should ensure basics before allowing variety. Because otherwise, it is like offering person money, when person need oxygen. Remember the Maslow pyramid.

Men are not angels. Nor devils. Men are men, women are women. We are all humans.

[–]Starmind0 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"Basic traits of men are basic traits of men" No honey, men are not naturally masculine. If femininity is so bad to you then how come I don't see you saying it's bad for women too? You are clearly discriminatory against feminine men. Specially by aligning them with dumb irrelevant bad things. Here's my advice, leave this sub. If you don't support all men, you don't support any man.

[–]RunCompetitive9683 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminity in men is definitely a weakness feminism is the only reason why that shit exist

[–]Starmind0 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No it isn't. You're a troll.

[–]RunCompetitive9683 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Unless these men are gay there's no excuse to be feminine at all western men are brain washed into thinking that shits fine. masculinity literally built our society and most men are willing to throw it all away over illogical emotions

[–]Starmind0 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"There's no excuse"? Why do they need an excuse to do what they fucking want? To fit your standards? It IS fine and it's their choice, it has nothing to do with brain washing. Oafs like you literally align feminine men with feminism, but no honey, they're not the same. I hope you realize that we don't support tradcons here.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Like it or not there is biology - wilfully going against biology often causes psychological problems - the only way to not suffer psychological issues is to accept ones own biology - that means rejecting feminine behaviors if you arent a woman or a eunuch

[–]Starmind0 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Men and masculinity have no biological relations at all, nothing connects them other than society's own perception of it. Then comes misandristic tradcons like you telling men how they should be and how they should act. Fuck off, misandrist.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Men and masculinity definitely do have biological relations - which is why testosterone increases aggression, increases bone mass, muscle mass and warlike behavior - this is scientific fact.

[–]Starmind0 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No, they don't. And never did. We humans aligned masculinity with men and forced it on them. And testosterone doesn't make one more aggressive, that's a misconception.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So youre saying that there is no sexual dimorphism and there isnt a weight ans size difference between men and women? And that men dont have higher bone density and strength thanks to testosterone? And testosterone does indeed increase aggression and competitiveness.

[–]Starmind0 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Humans are literally at the bottom of the list of sexual dimorphism. Weight and size isn't a guarantee, MILLIONS of men are light and small. Do men have a higher chance of developing more muscles, harder bones and being taller? Sure, but it's not a gender feature, it's all about DNA which is VERY different from human to human.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

No, they are disgusting misandrists who can't stand men doing what they like.

Lol you live in society - you already cant do what you like. Go live in a forest as a hermit - then you'll only be constrained by the amount of food you can gather and the animals you can beat. Beyond that you can do what you like.

[–]Starmind0 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Instead of changing society for the better for men? No thanks.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

A society that would be better for men would be the one where men are respected. Fighting for "mens rights" is just gay because it implicitly implies men have to ask permission from someone. Men dont ask permission - they take without asking

[–]Starmind0 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Oh shut the fuck up with the misandry and homophobia. It's not "gay", nor is being gay a wrong thing. And we don't "ask" for rights, we demanded it and acted upon it. Do yourself a favor and get out of this sub.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Demand it? To who? And who is listening? Instead of demanding, you should rise up and take it through revolution. Nobody is going to listen to men as they arent women and have no inherint biolgoical value.

[–]Starmind0 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You're underestimating what the MRM have done, we have already challenged governments and protested. The movement is bigger than ever. But hey, you're a disgusting misandrist who thinks women are biologically valuable and men aren't despite the male sex being the very reason why humanity overcomes biological flaws that female-only species can't overcome and died from. Do your research, misandrist.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Bahaha you've "protested"? As if the government cares about protests. Wanna know when they care? When theres riots on the streets like last summer regarding George Floyd. THATS when they care. Lmao

Where did i say woman > men. In fact ima bigger supporter of men than you. Why? Because i categorically reject the notion that men should become like women (aka explore "other avenues of masculinity") lmao that sounds like a massive cope.

[–]Starmind0 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I meant the movement in general. Their protests aren't merely "asking", oaf, look it up. I will do the same too once I finally am able to. And you DID call women superior by claiming they are biologically more valuable than men which is completely false and based on nothing but your own kinks. You don't support men, cunt, you're a women-worshipping misandristic tradcon. Out you go.

[–]63daddy 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Glad they are addressing unhealthy feminist agenda, but I’m not so keen on censorship and government control over media.

[–]khaineisthar 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It would Not work at all if Xi cannot reverses the empowerment of chinese women and disenfranchise of Chinese men.

Chinese men are seen by their women as emasculated and so, unbearable because they don't have real political power.

[–]YesAmAThrowaway 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The CCP deserves to be raped anally by the most fem of sissies out there!

[–]dzkrf 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Who is President Xi?

[–]naytreox 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Chinese dictator who looks like whine the pooh

[–]silvrado 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this makes me want to not live in China, but invest in China.

[–]alclarkey -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I don't particularly care for effeminate men myself. However, as a rule I'm against banning anything that doesn't actually directly harm another person.

[–]wwwsgwd -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So it can harm indirectly

[–]alclarkey 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I just moved my remote 6 inches. It caused a puff of wind which made something else happen, and yadda yadda yadda, it caused a boulder to fall and kill someone's kid somewhere across the world....

Yeah, I'm ok with indirectly.

[–]leavittar 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes the butterfly effect, I am a huge believer in this. I believe that decision or action, no matter how small changes the course of your entire life. And it will change the course of other people's lives. Sorry that was off topic but I just love the butterfly effect

[–]ourllcool 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So can the Catholic Church. Did they ban it ?

[–]wwwsgwd -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's like I don't mind AIDS , as long as it doesn't kill me directly

[–]alclarkey 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure purposefully infecting you with aids HARMS you, which is what I said. So yeah, that can be banned.

[–]Nobodyinc1 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. A person having aids doesn’t mean they need to be sent to a leper colony.

A person intentionally spreading aids should go to jail.

[–]Awan-Zada 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

China is gearing towards possible conflict with the US/NATO. US has left Afghanistan and is starting to ignore Middle East and concentrating on containing China as China is likely to be the new public enemy number 1 in US, I reckon the whole Muslims are terrorists thing in Hollywood will mostly be replaced by Chinese are the evil incarnate. However my bet is on China to triumph over the West for many reasons.

You need strong men, men who are able to lead, resist, create and have goals if you want your civilisation to succeed. Technology can only do so much, you still need some sort of unity, pride and patriotism to defend your civilisation. Looking at world history, societies which create weak men get destroyed and replaced by other. If they get weaker they too get replaced by more aggressive cultures.

I don't think there will be 3rd world war but China is likely to be provoked into attacking one of its East Asian neighbours and then drawn into a long war by the US. China and Russia on the other hand will continue to try and divide the West through misinformation warfare which I think is going well. Russia has been testing NATO for a while now, the Russian invasion of Crimean region was a test by Putin to see just how far he can get away with challenging the West.

[+]Standard_Owl_2808 -13 points-12 points-11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Good

[–]TheEzypzy 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't care about men's rights.

[–]MercurysonofJupiter 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah; So the government gets to decide how to be in the world? You're fuckin scary.

[+]Alarming_Draw -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dang-can you get McDonalds in China? (Grabs passport).

[–]Mavgrim 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought the accepted or even "desired" stereotype now was being somewhat feminine. The truth is that trying to define what's masculine by a few is a disaster.

[–]Jacke766565 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine TikTok, Instagram, YouTube celebrities like Jake Pauls and Addison Raes being banned. What a wonderful world...

[–]someone_butnoone 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Masculine role models, things are looking good for young boys there

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