Why it is not just cruel, but outright dangerous to humiliate imbalanced men.

RockmanXX · 2021-09-22T04:20:23+00:00

Like other users have pointed out, Elliot Rodger was not your typical awkward guy, he was a Narcissist. It's almost impossible to empathize with narcissists(which is what i believe most rad fems are), they are so devoid of empathy for others that it's hard for me to spare them any.

And speaking of Elliot Rodger, he killed more men than women. It's very telling how elliot killing men isn't even acknowledged, people look at Elliot's killings as if he exclusively targetted women.

What strikes me in this article is that it's not just cruel to mock and humiliate imbalanced and unsuccessful men, but outright dangerous.

I hear you, but that's the self fulfilling prophecy of Feminism, when met with criticism, they double down and respond with more aggression&hostility. Feminists operate in what i'd call a "scorched earth" mindset, they will preemptively attack what they consider their enemies. Which ironically, creates more anti-feminists, redpillers and incels.

BloomingBrains · 2021-09-21T18:58:38+00:00

I would be careful to avoid any kind of association to Elliot Roger or people like him. I'm not accusing you of condoning his crimes, because I know you don't mean that. You're trying to focus on the aspect of being isolated and rejected. But even there, I don't feel that is a good comparison.

Have you watched a documentary about the guy's life? He was a creep from the very beginning with severe narcissism/entitlement issues from a young age. All of his rejection was due to his shit personality; his predicament was very much one of his own creation. So even if you want to feel sorry for people who became bitter misogynists through maltreatment (which I even think is debatable), he isn't one of those.

Thus, I don't think he represents the average frustrated lonely man in that regard. (Incels, maybe, if by "incels" you specifically mean "self-identifying incels that are part of the subculture" and not just "anyone who doesn't have intimacy". To imply that he somehow does would be to validate all the things that feminists and everyone else we complain about that paint all lonely men as socially awkward creeps/"nice guys".

However, I do agree with your point when it comes to criticizing how people obsess over the extremely rare cases like Elliot Roger. That kind of alarmism creates a false impression in people's minds that people like him are way more common than they really are. Not every guy who is mocked for being lonely, whether he deserved it or not, is going to become a killer. But even if its only a 1% chance, I still think its worth not antagonizing those people. Especially when doing so is also harming the good ones who won't end up like him.

It's the same thing as telling girls not to dress slutty, get sloppy drunk, and wander home alone down a dark alley. Yes, in a perfect world, they should be able to do that and feel safe. But this is not a perfect world. However, if you point that out, its victim blaming. I guess its no surprise then that the dominant narrative is young women should metaphorically wander down that dark alley by attacking perceived "incels".

throwra_coolname209 · 2021-09-21T16:47:35+00:00

This is just frankly a really rough topic to discuss.

I encourage you to take a look at r/FemaleDatingStrategy and come back after four or five minutes.

Now, be honest - how much empathy do you feel for those people over sheer anger and frustration? If I'm honest, if I scroll through there I don't feel much.

That's the kind of thing women are feeling when they are faced with incels. It's just really difficult to empathize with someone who hates you, regardless of how much hurt has gone into their lives that may have pushed them onto this path.

My worldview in general is that we should be looking at incels and FDS-cels as symptoms of underlying social problems. Plenty of people are happy to stop one step short of that and say that these people are the problem (not that I think they can't be problematic - personal responsibility is still required), and ignore that they don't come to be out of thin air.

Carkudo · 2021-09-22T04:08:13+00:00

Except, no one bullied or humiliated Elliott Rodger.

ultraleft68 · 2021-11-22T15:58:50+00:00

You should read Gilles Dauvé’s ”A World Without a Moral Order” and ”Crime as Representation and Reality”. Great marxist articles that talk about things like this, that there are no ”monsters” in society, just humiliated human beings created by capitalist society.

tigerga1 · 2021-10-27T05:37:49+00:00

The common denominator for these men seems to be narcissism, which would cause them to be disproportionately affected by humiliation.

However, humiliation is a universal experience and sexual trauma usually doesn’t motivate mass violence. To be raped is the ultimate sexual humiliation.

If humiliation alone were enough to create killers, Every rape victim out there would be a domestic terrorist.

SuperStateSamBamCam · 2021-09-22T03:11:54+00:00

That article was a tough read but a very good one. It's one that's going to be worth reading two or three times.

It's hard to talk about this stuff but men like us are everywhere. When people ridicule us, they try to make us feel alone and shameful; I've dealt with some of my worst feelings of pain, rejection and shame from people online. However, there are so many of us "rejects" and "losers" that I sometimes wonder if we don't outnumber the "good" people. Part of my bid to stay alive in the face of near-universal rejection is reclaiming my voice, my identity, my ability to make my own value judgments and not just acquiesce to the ignorance and mercilessness of self-styled winners (they are almost always much more impressed with themselves than I am with them). If ten million loser men decide that two million cool men and women don't have a fucking clue what they're talking about -- and let's be honest, they don't, not about very much at all -- if we all really understood that point, who could stop us? Nobody. We would be in control and the formerly "cool" kids would just be the same clueless, judgmental dopes they've always been, only now they'd be along for the ride and no longer able to hurt the ten million they'd been hoodwinking for so long. I take comfort in this no matter how improbable it is that basically a social revolution of this kind would ever take place. There is something radical, to me, in retaining the right to assert my value in opposition to everyone who would deny it. Life itself is an act of defiance. It's the refusal to just give up and succumb to the void. Entropy will win, yes, but not until it does -- until then, fuck the abyss and fuck all of you, too, because in the face of the abyss we are all equals. I will go down my own best friend. It's sad and it hurts but I will not have my pride taken from me ever again. I will never again just agree lamely to be your bitch. No. You haven't earned that from me. Not by many thousands of miles, you small-minded, conceited POS (not you, OP).

And yes, when it comes to men in danger of losing faith in themselves, others and the world in general, some females are absolutely criminal. I mean that. Some girls and, disturbingly, even adult women just think it's so much fun to see what will happen if they kick down the last pillar holding up an innocent man's life. Smart people really should fight as long and hard as it takes to make that kind of behavior both socially reprobate and actually criminal. There should be a label for people who like to kill men with words, like there are labels for chomos, rapists and wife-beaters, and like chomos, rapists and wife-beaters, people who kill with words should go to jail for a long time and afterwards never return to the fold. It will never happen, but I firmly believe this is something a more enlightened society would do and it's just part of the contempt I personally feel for the status quo -- all those so-called normies and their empty-headed valorization of the primitive impulses of the human vagina. Ridiculous.

FrmrPresJamesTaylor · 2021-09-21T18:07:58+00:00

Therefore it's worrying that some women don't just see no problem in humiliating men like that, especially online, they make an outright hobby of it. And every time an act of violence happens, they see it as proof of patriarchy and toxic masculinity instead of looking at their own behavior.

I cannot believe I am typing this, but - a hate crime is not an act of dialogue. A mass killing is not an invitation for the targets to introspect.

Title	Why it is not just cruel, but outright dangerous to humiliate imbalanced men.
Author	Blauwpetje
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Comments	49
Date	September 21, 2021 4:25 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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