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Female Artist forced to share royalties and profit with her ex husband and people are up in arms. Hmmm…

benderXX

October 9, 2021
858 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.thebigidea.nz/stories/til-art-do-us-part-creative-copyright-in-divorce
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Title Female Artist forced to share royalties and profit with her ex husband and people are up in arms. Hmmm…
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benderXX

Upvotes 858
Comments 44
Date October 9, 2021 6:49 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/q4rfjp/female_artist_forced_to_share_royalties_and/
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Comments

[–]newyorkloser45 230 points231 points232 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Goddamn why is society full of mindless simps?

[–]YourPillsAintWorkin 97 points98 points99 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Legalize prostitution so these simps can get laid and start making better decisions.

[–]GNU_Yorker 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So much makes sense after reading this

[–]Desperate_Exchange73 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't read into it too much until I saw your comment GNU.

I've always wondered why prostitution is illegal (and I've heard all the excuses). Now it makes so much sense. Imagine if Men didn't feel the need to support a family or women because they could otherwise just pay for an hour here or there when ever they want and just go about their lives after instead (without the possibility going to jail for it)....

[–]leif-sinatra 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Second.

I mean look at Canada. I always say how you think they pay for free healthcare that works , legal weed and gigolos ( plus maybe higher taxes ,not sure )

[–]Criket 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Literally half of the salary go in diverse direct and indirect taxes and fuel at 5.45 the gallon.

[–]leif-sinatra 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dam that sucks.

[–]Insidious-Sid 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men can't get a "grip" on their thirst and pussy addiction.

Give me 60 days with an erection free world and feminism would be relegated to the pages of history.

[–]Tanman55555 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Chivalry

[–]Dr-Plague-Channel 149 points150 points151 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Society logic Men have to pay half of assets to ex Society: yes it’s the law Women have to pay half of assets to ex Society: unfair, sexist

[–]AnonNo9001 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

hey just a reminder

it's double space to format paragraphs here on reddit.

[–]Dr-Plague-Channel 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the tip 👍

[–]Terror-Error 133 points134 points135 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Same thing happened when Adele got divorced. It's also the same thing that's currently occurring with women being included in the draft. It'd be funny if it wasn't so predictable.

[–]Ryssaroori 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Finnish feminists want to put women under conscription too, but I think it's so it will be easier to argue abolishing it in the future which I oppose so I'm really not a fan of the idea

[–]Responsenotfound 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Various Feminist movements have different aims and take different forms according to culture. Those that rooted in Leftist thought tend to go towards flat Equality as far I have seen. Cultures where Capitalist thought is dominate take on a different character eventually such as Australia and US.

[–]bufedad 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Can you name one country with a flat equality feminist movement.

[–]reddut_gang -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Norway I guess

[–]bufedad 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The country that pioneered giving women boardroom positions because of their gender? Really?

[–]reddut_gang 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

good point

[–]Technical-Return-569 58 points59 points60 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Me Too"

[–]EgalitarianFacts 41 points42 points43 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Equality means that men are work mules for women. Don't you know that, cuck simp? /s

[–]WornBlueCarpet 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dr Dre paying $200k/month: She deserves it!

ANY woman paying ANYTHING: Outrageous!

[–]Human-Radio-8804 110 points111 points112 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

women are innocent victims who can do no wrong. if a man hits a woman its the mans fault and if the woman hits a man its the mans fault lol

just save time and throw all the men in jail right now lol

[–]Smithtrades 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Receive my updoot

[–]rabel111 38 points39 points40 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is not a new issue in family law in NZ, Australia and other countries. Income and property related to "special skills" or "special attributes" have been the subject of propoerty disputes in many jurisdictions before. What's new here is that a female is being treated without privilege, and forced to share their property with their ex-partners, like men have been forced to do for many years.

Equality.

[–]okfornothing 31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Give them the taste of their same medicine and maybe we can finally get this fixed.

[–]YourPillsAintWorkin 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Selective Service for women certainly got some feathers ruffled.

[–]okfornothing 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let me say too, that some will be really good. We need that balance, if you will, in all parts. I think it'd a good thing to be inclusive. They can't stay on the sidelines, the need to be in the game.

[–]okfornothing 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's just a no brainer. They'll get used to it.

[–]Responsenotfound 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Generally, I didn't see any of my feminist activist friends I know have no problem with it. They added we should abolish it but besides that not much more. I see a lot of virtue signaling bullshit from people I don't know on Twitter but that is a cesspool so why do we take these people seriously anyway?

[–]clear9999 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I find it difficult to believe there isn't already long standing precedents of what happens when a male artist divorces and what happens to his copyrights in regards to his now ex wife. The same rules should apply.

[–]dingoperson2 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If a law is unreasonable and keeps favoring women and screwing over men, equality-in-unreason MUST ALWAYS be step 1.

If it isn't, the situation will simply remain unchanged for 10-20-40+ years. People like us will keep making noises, saying how unreasonable it is, how things must change, but "somehow" change will never happen. "Somehow" all the proposals will just be dead on arrival, be met with polite nods then end up in the bin.

In the extremely rare situation that a proposal for equality goes up the political chain, it will simply be blocked or vetoed without much comment: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-gov-scott-vetoes-alimony-bill-20160415-story.html

The only chance at getting an insane law changed, is to have it actually and practically applied to women.

[–]killcat 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

TBF the main argument seemed to be that it was art as opposed to the sex of the "victim".

[–]bufedad 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Funny, that's never the argument when male artists divorce.

[–]killcat 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I can't say I've ever read one, although I wouldn't be surprised.

[–]mikesteane 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's frequently the case when rockstars get divorced and end up losing their artistic property.

[–]Bobbybill123 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is fucking dumb, shouldn't be happening to men or women

[–]bastiroid 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Guys, this is much bigger then divorce payments. This is splitting of intellectual property rights and trust me ifbI say, nobody should want this. If this becomes a standard men around the world will get fucked even harder. So this article should make nobody happy. Intellectual property was the one thing could take out of divorce pretty much unscaved until now. Think about if George Lukas would have lost the Star Wars IP to his first wife in the divorce, or Stan Lee the rights to Spiderman. This is not good

[–]dingoperson2 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The sources I can find say pretty clearly that copyright created during marriage will be split:

https://www.altdivorcesolutions.com/blog/2021/january/protecting-your-intellectual-property-in-divorce/

Created and protected after marriage: The copyright or patent is likely community property.

https://judyburger.com/who-gets-the-intellectual-property-during-a-divorce/

Because the books were considered community property in the divorce, “such copyrights and related tangible benefits must be considered community property.” (See 1 Nimmer on Copyright (1987) §6.13[B], p. 6-37).

Hence I'd say the decision is very good - because countless men would have lost their assets to this already.

Getting an unreasonable law change always must start with the unreason being applied to women. Countless men can be hurt by a law, but only when women as well start getting hurt by the same law, will there be any prospects whatsoever of changing the law.

The article already references prenuptial agreements:

“Of course,” says McNaught, “as fame beckons, many artists take steps to protect their assets by prenuptial settlements and other devices so this case may largely represent a failure to implement a timely defence.

“This is probably the biggest ‘take away’ for New Zealand artists and their dealers. Many law firm’s websites include enticing claims they can solve this problem.”

One of the likely benefits of this is an increased attention placed on prenuptials, and court starting to recognize prenuptial agreements more - because suddenly, courts are aware that dismantling prenuptials could start hurting women.

[–]LoGun_ -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Your title and the actual article are two completely different things.

This isn't an issue because she's a woman, this is an issue because it's never been raised in NZ court before.

The article specifically states that: "Justice Isac’s recently released decision stated that the Copyright Act and the Property (Relationships) Act 1976 interacted in an unusual way not previously seen in New Zealand law, forcing the Family Court Judge into new territory."

I'm all about working to heal some of the challenges and issues that men face, but when you make up issues just to justify being mad, people start taking real issues FAR less seriously.

[–]raytaylor -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunatley a common theme in this subreddit. Im all for mens rights and equality - especially in divorce law, but when any news to do with divorce is posted here, many comments seem to advocate an unequal response.

[–]raytaylor -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Im from New Zealand. I agree that women historically have been treated very badly in divorce proceedings and thankfully there is much progress made here regarding equal divisions of assets. Thankfully alimony isnt really a thing here either.
But i have to agree with the court on this one. The copyright is an asset created during the partnership and therefore needs to be divided equally.

I think they need to look at the ruling a different way.
As part of the separation agreement, they could they could divide the copyrights or ownership of each individual painting rather than splitting future revenues.
Copyright for painting A B and C goes to the husband and then D E and F goes to the wife. If one of those paintings earns money in the future then thats good for that person.
This is a way she could emotionally disconnect herself with the paintings and move on with her life, rather than squabbling over future revenues of all paintings.
Since this appears to be an emotional issue for her rather than a financial one.

[–]oggyb -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's no hmmm in this article, it's good journalism unveiling an important aspect of a nation's property and copyright law that's coming to light. It just so happens the artist is a woman. I'm certain the article would be the same if the genders were reversed.

No double standard here Imho.

[–]MadPooter -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm confused--where in this article does it state that anyone is "up in arms"?

This seems like a pretty straight forward news story about a New Zealand court handling a novel issue in family court dealing with copyright.

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