Do feminists want to suppress men?

Inbefore121 · 2021-10-08T18:57:57+00:00

Same old lip service they've been giving for years. Decades. And yet they do nothing meaningful to actually improve men's situation and instead invest that time and resources into suppressing the discussion surrounding men's issues. It's about maintaining the dominant place in the narrative.

Broadside_Beers · 2021-10-08T20:01:03+00:00

Just gonna post the obligatory response from Karen Straughan to people who think “they’re the real feminist”. Feminist gaslighting is low effort and really tiresome.

So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands of members all of whom call themselves feminists... they are not "real feminists".

That's not just "no true Scotsman". That's delusional self deception.

Listen, if you want to call yourself a feminist, I don't care. I've been investigating feminism for more than 9 years now, and people like you used to piss me off, because to my mind all you were doing was providing cover and ballast for the powerful political and academic feminists you claim are just jerks. And believe me, they ARE jerks. If you knew half of what I know about the things they've done under the banner of feminism, maybe you'd stop calling yourself one.

But I want you to know. You don't matter. You're not the director of the Feminist Majority Foundation and editor of Ms. Magazine, Katherine Spillar, who said of domestic violence: "Well, that's just a clean-up word for wife-beating," and went on to add that regarding male victims of dating violence, "we know it's not girls beating up boys, it's boys beating up girls."

You're not Jan Reimer, former mayor of Edmonton and long-time head of Alberta's Network of Women's Shelters, who just a few years ago refused to appear on a TV program discussing male victims of domestic violence, because for her to even show up and discuss it would lend legitimacy to the idea that they exist.

You're not Mary P Koss, who describes male victims of female rapists in her academic papers as being not rape victims because they were "ambivalent about their sexual desires" (if you don't know what that means, it's that they actually wanted it), and then went on to define them out of the definition of rape in the CDC's research because it's inappropriate to consider what happened to them rape.

You're not the National Organization for Women, and its associated legal foundations, who lobbied to replace the gender neutral federal Family Violence Prevention and Services Act of 1984 with the obscenely gendered Violence Against Women Act of 1994. The passing of that law cut male victims out of support services and legal assistance in more than 60 passages, just because they were male.

You're not the Florida chapter of the NOW, who successfully lobbied to have Governor Rick Scott veto not one, but two alimony reform bills in the last ten years, bills that had passed both houses with overwhelming bipartisan support, and were supported by more than 70% of the electorate.

You're not the feminist group in Maryland who convinced every female member of the House on both sides of the aisle to walk off the floor when a shared parenting bill came up for a vote, meaning the quorum could not be met and the bill died then and there.

You're not the feminists in Canada agitating to remove sexual assault from the normal criminal courts, into quasi-criminal courts of equity where the burden of proof would be lowered, the defendant could be compelled to testify, discovery would go both ways, and defendants would not be entitled to a public defender.

You're not Professor Elizabeth Sheehy, who wrote a book advocating that women not only have the right to murder their husbands without fear of prosecution if they make a claim of abuse, but that they have the moral responsibility to murder their husbands.

You're not the feminist legal scholars and advocates who successfully changed rape laws such that a woman's history of making multiple false allegations of rape can be excluded from evidence at trial because it's "part of her sexual history."

You're not the feminists who splattered the media with the false claim that putting your penis in a passed-out woman's mouth is "not a crime" in Oklahoma, because the prosecutor was incompetent and charged the defendant under an inappropriate statute (forcible sodomy) and the higher court refused to expand the definition of that statute beyond its intended scope when there was already a perfectly good one (sexual battery) already there. You're not the idiot feminists lying to the public and potentially putting women in Oklahoma at risk by telling potential offenders there's a "legal" way to rape them.

And you're none of the hundreds or thousands of feminist scholars, writers, thinkers, researchers, teachers and philosophers who constructed and propagate the body of bunkum theories upon which all of these atrocities are based.

You're the true feminist. Some random person on the internet.

DavidByron2 · 2021-10-08T20:32:31+00:00

Show me a feminist who says they don't hate men.

I'll show you a feminist who hates men.

This guy is trying to write an article about how feminism helps men an he can't think of a single thing. One of the things he claims "helps men" is the "wage gap" hate speech. That's like saying "Jews run Hollywood" is way to help fight racism. The article is a string of lies so obvious that nobody could say it with sincerity so what's the real game here?

Defending the hate movement.

WingsofSky · 2021-10-08T19:56:11+00:00

Seems like some women these days want to "Destroy and kill all men".

Dark-Hatter · 2021-10-08T19:23:41+00:00

I’m sorry. But I call bullsh*t…

Yoramus · 2021-10-08T21:44:29+00:00

There is no serious research behind the article. You are taking talking points from feminists and presenting them without checking if they correspond to what feminists in fact advocate for.

"Toxic masculinity affects women as well as men" - what's your definition of toxic masculinity? You are making it like feminism is working to shatter common expectations from men. Yet it is clear the opposite is happening. Everything in feminist rhetoric is about "educating men", and about the toxic masculinity thing, why are feminist trying to prevent female conscription? Isn't it a gender role they are quite happy to leave to men and to them alone?

"Body positivity has popularized the dad bod" - source?

"Feminism works to improve education for all" - that is laughable. I never heard "education for all" even as a talking point. It has always been about scholarships and programs for women in STEM in management etc.. Name me a female dominated field where feminism is acting to include men

"Men need birth control too" - of course. I am not sure it was feminists who spread birth control but even if it was them it was a force for good. Now everybody knows birth control and feminists actively oppose any law that could give men more control when birth control fails. A man cannot free himself from child support even when he has been raped or his semen has been stolen. A woman can abort or give her child for adoption at her will. What's equal here?

"Judges now give fairer consideration in divorces and child custody hearings" - hearsay, what's the source? And what's really happening is feminists push for having claims by women believed and acted upon, in the name of "protecting women". The oldest trick of the book is for women to falsely claim violence to remove custody from the father. And feminists push for special courts that will believe women even with no proof, oppose punishing women caught lying, and in Israel they even oppose making illegal for women to rape men. Do you know what's the feminist argument? That men could then falsely accuse women of rape. Ah, the irony...

"Feminists want to abolish the wage gap" here you are making me laugh. Whether or not people believe it "it exists". Please educate yourself about that. Spoiler alert: it doesn't exist when you account for the fact that women work less.

"They’ve taught consent for people of all genders" here you might have had a point except for the fact that still feminists oppose criminalizing women's rapes on men, rendering your point moot.

Punder_man · 2021-10-08T22:39:21+00:00

3) Feminism works to improve education for all.You hear that feminists want to improve sex-education in schools, ormake stem courses more welcoming to girls, but these things help boys aswell. Preparing boys to practice safe and enjoyable sex is obviouslybeneficial to them, and opening stem to women provides men with moreperspectives, giving them a more rounded education.

Except for you know.. the fact that FEMINISTS pushed for Title IX and the fact that Education at all levels is geared towards optimal female learningOh and the fact that female teachers are more likely to mark down work submitted by boys / men or up mark work done by girls / women.Lets not also forget that the majority of scholarships out there are for WOMEN only.. and any time someone decides to try and setup a boys / men only scholarship they get called a bigot, sexist etc..

5) Judges now give fairer consideration in divorces and child custody hearings.It was common for men to get the short end of the stick in these cases,having to give large sums of alimony and child support when it wasn’talways necessary. Not only that, men are getting more considerationwhile obtaining full custody of their children, rather than judgesalways siding with the mother.

I call bullshit on this claim.. mainly because all it takes these days is for a woman to make an accusation of violence or sexual misconduct in divorce proceedings and the judges seem quite happy to bend over backwards to make sure the women and children are looked after.

Not only that but they seem happy to force men to pay child support without also giving them proper visitation rights. So yeah.. i'm gonna need to see evidence to back up this claim.

6) Feminists want to abolish the wage gap. Whetheror not you “believe” that it exists — it does — I will not go into thatin this article. By giving women fair wages compared to men who do thesame jobs, women will have higher morale, productivity, and overallhappiness in life. If I have to explain how this helps men, I worryabout the future of humanity.

Firstly, who are you to tell me "It exists" if I disagree with it? secondly no, they don't.. they simply want the same outcome e.g being paid what men get paid. Without also having to put in the same effort: Working longer hours, harder jobs, more physically demanding jobs, dangerous jobs etc..

There is no WAGE gap.. there is an EARNINGS gap which is completely different..The biggest problem about the wage gap is their analysis is flawed.. especially when they don't compare like for like..For example i've seen 'wage gap studies' where they compare the wage of female nurses vs male surgeons.. which is stupid because those are two completely different jobs with different skill sets / requirements.

Or they will look at the average earnings of men employed full time and compare it to the average earnings of women employed full time and will jump to the conclusion that there must be a wage gap!The problem is there are many variables in play some of them being:

The fact that men on average work longer hours than women
The fact that men on average work in more dangerous professions
The fact that more men on average are employed in full time jobs than women
etc

And they always claim "We have controlled for all factors" but they never seem to be able to explain their methodology on exactly HOW they controlled for any of the above factors..So if they don't explain how they managed to do that how can we check and make sure their conclusions are correct?

7) They’ve taught consent for people of all genders.Men don’t want sex all the time, and they don’t want it with anyoneeither. Feminists have increased the discussion surrounding consent andhow to obtain it for all parties present.

Really? because all i've seen about this is "Teach boys not to rape" or "If a man and a woman are both drunk and have sex the man has still raped her"Or even "If a woman wakes up and regrets having sex with someone then it does not matter if she consented at the time.. her regret means that it was rape"

Yeah.. once again all i'm seeing here is benefits towards women and nothing towards men...

And of course you end your article on:So-called "Feminists" who hate men

We don’t claim them. They aren’t reallyfeminists. They’re misandrists. They’re a loud, small population ofpeople that only call themselves feminists, while they actually goagainst the very definition of feminism — equality between all genders.Click the above link for more information about how Merriam-Websterdefines feminism.

Go look up the "No True Scottsman Fallacy" Now i'm not going to say that "ALL" feminists hate men.. but you can not seriously sit there and claim it to be "A small population of people who only call themselves feminists"Clementine Ford is a well noted FEMINIST who has demonstrated time and time again that she hates men and is very vocal about her views regarding men. Whom is in charge of regulating who can and can not identify as feminist these days?Also if it were true that the feminists who hate men are "A small minority" then surely it should be quite simple for the MAJORITY of "True" feminists to put them in their place right?

So why do we not see more and more "True" feminists calling out these false feminists for their misandry then?The answer is either:

There are way less "True" feminists than you seem to think there are
The "True" feminists don't want to risk the wrath of the false feminists by speaking up against them

Finally, Definitions change over time..
For example if you check google: "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of equality of the sexes"

Note the bolded part of that definition.. ergo it means that feminism only cares about WOMEN'S rights and does not care at all about men.
Feminism is NOT a movement for equality because if it was then it would be called egalitarianism instead.. and would actually care about issues that affect men.. and would not treat men at the cause of every problem in society today.

TL;DR: Your article is bad and you should feel bad.. 3/10 not worth expending the effort I have put in already...

63daddy · 2021-10-08T19:49:26+00:00

The article is pure B.S.

Here’s the bottom line: Feminism fights to advantage women. That inherently means disadvantaging men. Feminism isn’t for men, it’s against men.

Clemicus · 2021-10-08T21:58:33+00:00

"It's a bad day to stop sniffing glue."

Maybe the first part of point 7 is right, but that's about it.

You missed shared responsibility when it comes to birth control. Two people are involved when it comes to sex. Pregnancy doesn't just fall out of the sky and the pregnancy fairy doesn't exist.

Sing it with me women, if you have unprotected heterosexual sex use Plan B the morning after

The bit about dad bod doesn't translate well into finding a partner and it's just a meme. When it comes to, you used this word, heavier women, the focus for body positivity is always on one side and women who are either thin, petite or, muscular, are shamed

To accept all body sizes then all sizes must be fine -- and thin, petite and, muscular body types have to be accepted too. That doesn't seem to be the case

And its great you believe feminism helped you. In reality, it was other gay men. Who were shamed, made homeless, disowned, reported to the police, arrested and, put in prison, etc

If your end goal was to reach across the aisle, as you stated in another reply, it probably would have been better to write a short post explaining who you are, what you believe then state your reasons for posting this (I'd like to get other peoples' opinions about x, y and z) then go off from that

To be blunt, your article is uninformed on so many aspects and it seems to be professionally written. It wouldn't go a miss if it was published by a major NGO or newspaper

Edit: I just looked at your other post. There's something amiss about it, there's some replies missing going through your comment history. May update post

red_philosopher · 2021-10-09T05:30:23+00:00

I'm going to give you a fair shake, since, well, everyone deserves one. And I want you to think long and hard about the answers. I don't want claptrap or rubbish, or feelings being used as fact. Because, well, there are reasons for lots of things, and conspiracy theories are not acceptable.

Toxic masculinity affects women as well as men. As a gay man, there are many times that I’ve had to face stereotypes like “men shouldn’t be feminine,” “men can’t wear makeup,” “men can’t cry.”

Now, I'm going to go out on a limb here and ask you why you think this is "toxic." My experience is similar, but as a heterosexual, I must exhibit these qualities in order to attract women. The more feminine I appear to be, the more makeup I wear, the more emotional I am, the less women I attract. I have tested this, and so have many other men.

If women are the reason men must behave that way (sexual selective pressure is probably the highest pressure there is) then why is it toxic masculinity when it's the result of feminine choice?

Now, for you, it may be different, but you aren't interested in attracting women. You're interested in attracting other gay dudes. Now, it may be "toxic" from your perspective, but when the vast majority of women have sexual preferences (that are well studied and well documented) for masculine, not feminine, men, your argument is nothing but feel-good nonsense.

While it may seem that feminists only care about women, in reality they spend lots of time working to make men’s lives better too.

Prove it. Where's the documented proof of feminists advocating for men's rights in a direct fashion and not claiming "trickle down economics" like the GOP? I've seen more feminists shut down and protest against men's rights than I have ever seen actually advocate with them. I'd be happy to be wrong.

Show me.

Body positivity has popularized the dad bod.

Sorry, but this is a blatant lie. The dad bod is NOT "popular." It's actually a huge turn off in comparison to fitness.

On social media it is more common to hear about how feminists want to make it more acceptable to have bodies of all types for women, but they’ve done the same for men.

No, they haven't. And fitness IS more attractive than unfitness. If anything, it's an excuse to not bear social/sexual consequences for bad life choices.

Feminism works to improve education for all.

Still waiting on those male-only scholarships since men are lagging behind women 3-2 in college education rates. What? Oh no, feminists protest the repeal of sexist female-only scholarships. They don't actually fight to have those sexist scholarships banned.

opening stem to women provides men with more perspectives, giving them a more rounded education.

Okay, I'll bite. But HOW do they go about doing it? With sexist policies that eliminate equally qualified men. In fact, just being a man puts you at a 10% disadvantage. We get a full letter grade less than women do for THE SAME WORK.

Men need birth control too. By helping spread access to birth control — for men as well as women — it helps men too. If they don’t want to have children at that point in their lives, birth control or abstinence is essential.

Agreed. But a lot of feminists are against male forms of birth control. Why?

Judges now give fairer consideration in divorces and child custody hearings. It was common for men to get the short end of the stick in these cases, having to give large sums of alimony and child support when it wasn’t always necessary. Not only that, men are getting more consideration while obtaining full custody of their children, rather than judges always siding with the mother.

That was a hard-won battle. And not because of feminists. Feminists lobby against fairer child support, custody, and alimony laws. No wonder, because they stand to gain from it.

Feminists want to abolish the wage gap. Whether or not you “believe” that it exists — it does —

Now you've lost ALL credibility. The wage gap has been debunked for nearly a decade. Even sex-blind algorithms like UBER's proves that ANY pay gap that exists boils down to CHOICE. Men work longer hours and work in riskier jobs.

They’ve taught consent for people of all genders. Men don’t want sex all the time, and they don’t want it with anyone either. Feminists have increased the discussion surrounding consent and how to obtain it for all parties present.

Is that why feminist lobby against gender-neutral rape laws? Because they teach consent to girls too? Is that why there are no male shelters for male sexual assault victims? Is that why, even though women commit 70% of all DV in relationships with a single perpetrator, feminists lobby against DV shelters for men but say it's okay for women?

As a DV survivor myself, I can tell you that I faced significant backlash simply because I was assumed to be the perpetrator. Even though I had all the physical evidence to back it up.

No, feminists DO NOT fight for men's rights.

So-Called “Feminists” who Hate Men We don’t claim them. They aren’t really feminists. They’re misandrists. They’re a loud, small population of people that only call themselves feminists, while they actually go against the very definition of feminism — equality between all genders.

No true Scotsman.

Bye.

PorkyTheChop · 2021-10-09T00:16:55+00:00

The world was built for men.

This is a blinkered view of history, and it suggests that you have swallowed too much ideology rather than attaining a considered sociological perspective. I'm speaking as someone who is not particularly anti-feminist, and as someone who is, like you, a gay man.

The legacy system of gender roles and expectations that feminists attempt to describe as part of their concept of patriarchy did not arise from a world "built for men". It's more accurate to say that men and women were both assigned types of roles and types of value within the system. Just as women were often locked out of certain kinds of power (political, financial), men were locked out of certain kinds of wellbeing and value.

LondonDude123 · 2021-10-09T06:06:59+00:00

Feminism Exists for Women AND Men. It’s true. While most of the popular media surrounding feminism mainly focuses on women’s experiences and how to reduce women’s inequities in society, there are many ways that feminists work to make life better for men as well.

This should be good. Lets hear them then!

1) Toxic masculinity affects women as well as men. As a gay man, there are many times that I’ve had to face stereotypes like “men shouldn’t be feminine,” “men can’t wear makeup,” “men can’t cry.” While it may seem that feminists only care about women, in reality they spend lots of time working to make men’s lives better too.

So its been scientifically studied and confirmed that women DONT want a "weak" partner, and part of that perceived "weakness" would be crying in front of them. Not to mention the COUNTLESS anecdotal evidence which guys have of them opening up their partners, only to have that weakness exploited and thrown back at them.

IF not crying is "Toxic Masculinity", then WOMEN are the cause of it. Checkmate Feminists?

2) Body positivity has popularized the dad bod. On social media it is more common to hear about how feminists want to make it more acceptable to have bodies of all types for women, but they’ve done the same for men. Are you telling me you’ve never heard how popular the “dad bod” is these days?

Okay, so the dad bod is NOT popular. Its a lie that women say. Simple as that. "Actions speak louder than words" mate.

Secondly, and more importantly, "body positivity" only exists for women, not men. Men are shamed for being less than 6' tall, not having a 6 pack, having a small dick. Sounds very body positive huh?

Theres no defence of this, and YOU saying its right doesnt make it right...

3) Feminism works to improve education for all. You hear that feminists want to improve sex-education in schools, or make stem courses more welcoming to girls, but these things help boys as well. Preparing boys to practice safe and enjoyable sex is obviously beneficial to them, and opening stem to women provides men with more perspectives, giving them a more rounded education.

No. 60% of students in Uni are women, and that number is going up. STEM fields are CONSTANTLY running women only courses and drives and whatever, which throws good smart men out. Sounds very improved to me. Sounds VERY helpful to men to me!

Oh you're talking SEX Education huh? Because the main Feminist points of SE to males are "Dont rape women", and "Always get consent but if shes drunk she cant consent but if you're both drunk you're a rapist and she isnt. Oh and if she regrets it in the morning you're still a rapist". Nothing about safe and enjoyable sex. Not a single thing. Not one.

4) Men need birth control too. By helping spread access to birth control — for men as well as women — it helps men too. If they don’t want to have children at that point in their lives, birth control or abstinence is essential.

Let me just say that Men HAVE birth control. Men have ALWAYS had birth control. Condoms used to be made out of animals intestines (im not kidding, look it up). What Men NEED is Body Autonomy, which they DO NOT HAVE. If I have sex, jizz into a condom, throw it away, she fishes it out of the bin and uses it to get pregnant, then I'm still on the hook for child support. They're literally telling future NFL players at US Colleges to take the used Condoms with them so that this doesnt happen.

Men NEED this, and I dont see Feminism saying a goddamn thing about it.

5) Judges now give fairer consideration in divorces and child custody hearings. It was common for men to get the short end of the stick in these cases, having to give large sums of alimony and child support when it wasn’t always necessary. Not only that, men are getting more consideration while obtaining full custody of their children, rather than judges always siding with the mother.

No. No no no no no no. You're either intentionally stupid or just in denial. How many cases would it take for you to change your mind? Give me a number, and i'll go and find that many for you!

If by "fairer consideration" you mean that they now wait 4 minutes before siding with the mother, sure...

6) Feminists want to abolish the wage gap. Whether or not you “believe” that it exists — it does — I will not go into that in this article. By giving women fair wages compared to men who do the same jobs, women will have higher morale, productivity, and overall happiness in life. If I have to explain how this helps men, I worry about the future of humanity.

It doesnt exist. Get it out of your head that it doesnt exist. Its been disproven many times over. IT! DOES! NOT! EXIST!

Overall happyness in life huh? Listen, im not advocating either way here, but a Womans job literally used to be "Stay at home, clean up a bit, make dinner". Fuck, ID take that over 40-50hrs a week of bullshit! Happier? Nah mate.

7) They’ve taught consent for people of all genders. Men don’t want sex all the time, and they don’t want it with anyone either. Feminists have increased the discussion surrounding consent and how to obtain it for all parties present.

No. They havent. They've screeched and moaned, but no discussion has taken place. See my point earlier.

Also its VERY convenient how you say Men dont want sex all the time, yet women have literally defended female rapists by saying "He had an erection, he wanted it".

8) And more. It is clear that non-feminists’ worries that “feminists will take away men’s rights” are unfounded.

Feminists HAVE taken away Mens rights, or are (the very least) stopping Men getting equal rights. Body Autonomy as I said earlier is one example of this.

Dismantling the Patriarchy. The world was built for men. And although not as many people actively work to suppress women now as in the past, those inequalities still shine through today.

Name them. What legal rights in the West do women NOT have that men DO have? Seriously, answer that question for me, and we'll have a serious discussion going.

For society to have any progress, it is vital that we take action to reduce the gap between the genders, socially, economically, and politically.

I absolutely agree. We can start by bring Men up from the pseudo 2nd class citizen status that we've been given.

So-Called “Feminists” who Hate Men. We don’t claim them. They aren’t really feminists. They’re misandrists. They’re a loud, small population of people that only call themselves feminists, while they actually go against the very definition of feminism — equality between all genders.

I see that everyone else has linked you with Karen Straughan's Responce to this, and also to the idea of the No True Scotsman Fallacy. I SERIOUSLY suggest you read these two bits of information thoroughly before responding to this comment, because you cant reasonable continue to defend the idea that the crazy ones dont count.

Click the above link for more information about how Merriam-Webster defines feminism.

What was it I said earlier? Actions speak louder than words! I couldnt give a fuck what the dictionary says about Feminism, I care about what Feminists are doing here in the REAL world. What they're doing is suppressing Men! Thats it. End of discussion. You cannot argue this. If you TRY to, it shows that you're either deluded, brainwashed, stupid, ignorant, or a combination of all 4.

No offence, and I fully realize that this is both an Ad Hominem and Argument To Authority (you can look those up if you want), but you're a high school student. There are people here that have been fighting FOR Mens Rights, and others Against Feminism for Decades! Literally Decades. There are people who WERE Feminists, who now openly speak out against what they've become. At any point did it not occur to you that those people might have had a point?

I sincerely urge you to think about everything you've been told by these people. You've been indoctrinated into an ideology which has no problem lying to you. You might be gay, but you're still a man. You are the enemy to these people, just remember that.

Jakes1967 · 2021-10-09T07:06:55+00:00

Do feminists want to suppress men?

Oh definitely YES, next question?

FewDegree108 · 2021-10-09T10:34:38+00:00

Feminist like you are more dangerous than those big mouthed misandrist feminist.

Pretending to help but stabbing from back. Purposefully staying ignorant about men's problem.And then taking credits of men-rights achievement as feminist achievement.

Creating sexist laws against men , and then claiming it is done by patriarchy.

c4944e830acd · 2021-10-08T19:06:00+00:00

Yes they do

tenchineuro · 2021-10-09T00:27:46+00:00

Dismantling the Patriarchy
The world was built for men. And although not as many people actively work to suppress women now as in the past, those inequalities still shine through today. For society to have any progress, it is vital that we take action to reduce the gap between the genders, socially, economically, and politically.

I think this says everything that needs to be said.

Ok_Research219 · 2021-10-09T03:45:25+00:00

The article can be summed up in a sentence for those that don’t want to read it.

This is the TLDR: Everything is either men’s fault or men’s responsibility.

EmirikolWoker · 2021-10-09T19:23:29+00:00

The foundational principles of all flavours of feminism (class warfare between men and women with men winning, shorthanded as "Patriarchy") are inherrently anti-male when you examine what needs to be true for it to accurately describe reality. Feminists can claim that it's "just about equality", but it's equality based on bigotted assumptions, presuming psychopathy on the part of men as a class.

Egalitarian values, and mens' rights advocacy in particular, is innately anti-feminist.

Ok-Refrigerator1129 · 2021-10-08T20:26:01+00:00

I'd like to say that both feminism and mens rights are causes that are both good and bad, like many things in life they both have very strong points that are worth fighting for but also hold negative values and even though I don't associate with either I do respect some aspects and points of both movements and believe that we as a species should focus on being positive and helping each other out.

Perspective of a young hetro dude.

PorkyTheChop · 2021-10-08T20:57:59+00:00

Just something I would like to say here, as well as in other communities I've posted this article in (including feminist ones), please know that I meant what I said and said what I meant. Anything that I didn't say, I didn't mean. And anything that I didn't mean, I didn't say. Please don't put words into my mouth!

reddut_gang · 2021-10-09T15:05:18+00:00

most likely

Title	Do feminists want to suppress men?
Author	PorkyTheChop
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Date	October 8, 2021 6:46 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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