"Feminism" vs "The Patriarchy" is troubling as it's inherently gendered language for a supposedly universal problem

JazzPhobic · 2021-11-04T00:17:24+00:00

This assumes feminism cares about equality. They do not, so they don't qualify for a neutral rebrand as egalitarian.

YesYesYesVeryGood · 2021-11-04T02:59:48+00:00

Well, whenever I see the whole "versus the patriarchy" theme, I think of it as misandry. Critics are trying to come out with reasoning and excuses for slandering men.

Yes, I get the idea of fighting your oppressors or the cruel powerful, but we see an adaptation of the ideology of "yes all men." When you target all men, that is straight up misandry. Not all men are powerful and oppressing the masses.

There are a handful of Al Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, ISIS terrorists in various countries. Labelling all Muslims as terrorists for the few is an analogy of what Misandrists do to men.

Criket · 2021-11-04T00:28:44+00:00

Feminists look the top 1% of men above them and complaint how hard they have it to the rest under them.

Basketballjuice · 2021-11-04T04:30:53+00:00

Yes please. Shit is unnecessarily gendered nowadays.

Disciple_Of_Cheesus · 2021-11-03T22:55:41+00:00

Takers vs. Makers

InterestingWave0 · 2021-11-04T05:10:10+00:00

don't call those fucking energy leeches "elite". They are the wealthy parasite class, that feeds off the labor of their hosts. Your words have power, learn how to use it.

Iceman_Hottie · 2021-11-04T07:03:53+00:00

Neither had a factual basis to begin with.

Feminism was always a system of judging a society based solely on the benefit it brings women, note that equality or men being treated as human beings was never part of the equation. A critical point was the "declaration of sentiment" document of the 1848 Seneca Falls Convention states without evidence that throughout history men have oppressed women. What modern feminists provide as evidence, was never done in malice or to oppress women in any way, therefore qualifies as evidence against feminism.

The "patriarchy" is just Simone de Beauvoir's way of normalising abusive relationships and projecting it to be normal, so that she wouldn't feel as bad about her own choices such as staying in a horrible relationship with Sartre for fame and justify her abusing others (and being a pedophile).

The only way both are used is to gain political power and abuse others, with a majority of feminism supporting those who want to commit genocide of men (e.g Andrea Dworkin).

Futureman999 · 2021-11-04T08:07:52+00:00

Equality vs sexism, but they're terrified of the draft, equal sentences for equal crimes, true gender-blind hiring and promtions, paying an equal amount of taxes, equality in child custody and divorce settlements, equal reproductive freedom, equal funding of male and female medical research, ban female and male genital mutiliation, being treated like a random adult person instead of a protected category in an emergency, etc.

So you're never going to see feminists pushing for actual gender equality. They will do this then call it "equality":

A. Hold onto the gender privileges of the 1950s

-while-

B. Demanding additional rights and privileges in the present

Reddit1984Censorship · 2021-11-03T22:53:07+00:00

100%

liebestod0130 · 2021-11-03T22:49:29+00:00

I for one am against the way feminists throw around the word, "patriarchy." I don't really see it as a bad thing, the way they define it.

sultan_2020 · 2021-11-03T22:44:23+00:00

There is no problem just fuch feminist and everything is fine

WorldController · 2021-11-04T01:09:24+00:00

I feel it should be something like:

Egalitarianism vs The Elite.

This is the essence of left-wing political philosphy. Yet, most posters here are right-wingers, for some reason.

delocalelectron · 2021-11-04T05:56:18+00:00

Back in the 1990s, Rich Zubaty said that women are Corporate whores. He also described those running the major Corporations as 'manholes'. All we are seeing is a synergy of interests against those who are genuinely creative and empathetic, ie men. These qualities were mistakenly assigned as 'feminine' in the 90s by psychologists. Instead of forced equality, men seek equity - you get out what you put in.

goodfoobar · 2021-11-04T15:15:42+00:00

Feminism is supported by the "elite" to generate the myth of patriarchy and divert attention away from them.

-WPWW- · 2021-11-04T09:19:41+00:00

It's always the world vs straight white men. That's how it will always be until we get somebody in office who has the balls to do something about it.

Starmind0 · 2021-11-04T12:04:17+00:00

It has always been women vs men to feminist. Just like overgrown misandristic children.

skellious · 2021-11-03T23:10:15+00:00

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reddut_gang · 2021-11-05T00:01:24+00:00

egalitarianism vs feminism depending on where you live

egalitarianism vs tradition elsewhere

as far as I'm concerned, it's not only the elites upholding sexism

ne14611braska · 2021-11-06T00:34:37+00:00

I've got a political socialist leaning, so it might help, in that it might unite the disadvantaged against the privileged of both sexes and wipe feminism away. However I have a conservative social leaning, so I still think there'd emerge a physiological difference of men doing the heavy, dangerous jobs and women doing the caring, birthing, nurturing jobs with lower societal rewards (I generalise). Then would we be back to a gentler form of social disquiet called 'gender politics'?

TL;DR It could be a good thing, never tried except at gunpoint.

Title	"Feminism" vs "The Patriarchy" is troubling as it's inherently gendered language for a supposedly universal problem
Author	skellious
Upvotes	326
Comments	41
Date	November 3, 2021 10:42 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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