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"Father ‘shattered’ after court rules wife can keep children in Poland Irish courts allowed wife to bring children on holiday but she kept them there"

wntk

October 26, 2021
573 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/father-shattered-after-court-rules-wife-can-keep-children-in-poland-1.4710077
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Title "Father ‘shattered’ after court rules wife can keep children in Poland Irish courts allowed wife to bring children on holiday but she kept them there"
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wntk

Upvotes 573
Comments 44
Date October 26, 2021 5:20 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/qgbc68/father_shattered_after_court_rules_wife_can_keep/
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Comments

[–]Raychao 84 points85 points86 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Wow what a coincidence!

How come as soon as there is some dispute suddenly 'he was violent'.. Standard trump card..

Poland needs to adhere to the Hague Convention as this behaviour by the wife is exactly the kind of behaviour it was designed to stop..

[–]goinsouth85 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Not the first time. https://www.international-divorce.com/Poland-International-Child-Abduction.htm

Hopefully this case will cause the courts in other countries to recognize that Poland does not follow its Hague Convention responsibilities. That way they’ll stop allowing Polish parents to take the children to Poland. Harsh to Polish parents who don’t abduct their children, but that’s on the Polish government.

[+]keine7892 points 4 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

First western countries should follow the Hague convention as well, they do not do , so Poland shouldn't either.

[–]goinsouth85 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Ok fine. Don’t follow the treaties Poland signs. Just don’t complain when Polish citizens in the US are never allowed to take their children to see family in Poland. Last I checked, there are way more Poles in the United States than Americans in Poland.

[+]keine7891 points 4 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Doesnt matter the principle is way more important, and since there is no benefit following Hague convention if western countries doesn't follow them

In one case o Hungarian fled to U.K. during divorce procedings and U.K. courts determined they have the jurisdiction .Both Mother Father were Hungarian citizen and she just went to U.K. and they said they have jurisdiction, because domestic violence so in these circumstances its pointless to follow that convention.

[–]goinsouth85 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

BTW - the US returns 90% of children in Hague convention cases. https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1187&context=cjil (see page 248).

[+]keine7891 points 4 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Western European countries are way worse, but the standard trick is to claim domestic violence, and then someway the Hague convention doesnt apply

[–]goinsouth85 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah - I think there is a catch all defense about risk of harm (including psychological) to the child if returned - which, if applied broadly, can be used to prevent any return.

It would be interesting (and probably depressing!) to see statistics on the outcome of Hague Convention cases, broken down by whether the applicant is mother or father.

[–]oldtiredfaggot 73 points74 points75 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's just no fucking decency or humanity, anymore, is there?

[–]awsdlefthandbutton 169 points170 points171 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Standard divorce tactic he was accused of 'sexual and physical assualt'. No evidence doesn't look like it was a complaint to the cops just standard divorce playbook.

Another reason to never marry/cohabitate or have kids tbh.

[–]oldtiredfaggot 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

There are great men who are deserving of fatherhood; they're responsible, able, and willing. When women turn children against their fathers, that's the sign of a decaying society. Just be as thorough as one can, it's all any of us can do.

Further, when the good men stop having children, what happens to good men? Don't they go extinct eventually?

[–]lasciate 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just be as thorough as one can, it's all any of us can do.

Or you can

never marry/cohabitate or have kids

[–]contraterrene 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes, exactly.

Women do prefer bad boys around ovulation, focusing on height, musculature, strong jaw and dark triad traits.

With old style monogomy where women were married young and expected to remain faithful this was managed but now you have irresponsible single mothers funded by men because as a class men put more into the system than they take out.

[–]bee_ghoul -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

“Women prefer bad boys around ovulation” link or it didn’t happen lol. I don’t understand how women don’t even seem to know when we’re ovulating so how would you know that we collectively change our “type”? When I’m ovulating I’m not thinking “mmmm leather boot wearing motorcycle guys with shaved heads” I’m thinking the exact same as I normally do.

[–]boringusername7 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

For women in general this is a well documented phenomenon that their sexual preference changes with their ovulation cycle. A quick Google search will give plenty of articles and papers. https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/what-do-women-want-depends-on-249813

You personally might be different who knows.

[–]bee_ghoul -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It says that women want men with “a masculine body type and facial features, dominant behavior and certain scents” that’s very different to saying that women want “bad boys when they ovulate”. Yeah some women might be hornier whilst ovulating because it’s when they’re most fertile, so they would have more of a desire to have sex and if they find particular characteristics attractive than they’ll likely be looking to have sex with someone who has those characteristics. If you’re attracted to men, then you’re going to be attracted to attributes of male-ness and when you’re most horny you’re going to want to fuck people who possess masculine characteristics more than ever. That does not mean the same thing as women want bad boys when they ovulate.

[–]contraterrene 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913012245

[–]bee_ghoul 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This one doesn’t mention ovulation at all

[–]awsdlefthandbutton 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Maybe they do maybe they don't. My thoughts not disagreeing with you.

You don't need to be a 'good man' to have kids, all you need is the egg, sperm and somewhere to host and grow it (womb).

I've always preferred (as a general viewpoint there are exceptions) the cyclic theory of history, what is current will change. So long as my kids are ok I'm not worried. Societies change and new societies are born, change is inevitable.

For guys, I wouldn't recommend marriage nowadays, just careful and enjoy the singles.

If that's too much work, hell I worked out and spent several years as a member of a gangbang grp. Lots of sex, zero commitment and no costs of dating. Stopped it due to Covid, will probably start it again.

To guys in their 20's go milf hunting, let them buy you stuff and then move onto the next one.

Just remember 'wrap it before you pack it' 😃

[–]oldtiredfaggot 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just remember 'wrap it before you pack it'

Wise words

[–]Decent_Negotiation62 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

not good advice. this aint any different from what they say on r/ femaledatingstrats

[–]gundamjazz -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Another "just like the feminist" loser.

[–]itchyotcthy -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men: stop donating sperm and if you cannot, make sure you get good money for it... damned good money...

[–]gundamjazz -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Take your fake advice elsewhere

[–]gundamjazz -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Trad from nutter alert

[–]Mother-Key582 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But every other day I hear about ANOTHER engagement/wedding 🤦‍♂️. Some couples are great together. But most are just seriously … What the hell does he see in her?

[–]H31N5T 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Simps be simpin'.

[–]amazinglyaloneracist -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's sad that a good or better attorney can argue away those false allegations

[–]EpicHajsownik 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The dude in the newspaper picture is Zbigniew Ziobro, he is the highest "judge" in the entire country that even has a power to change the law to some degree. That says a lot about who is in charge of mens rights.

[–]xTheVyrusx 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Marriage isn’t what it used to be the nuclear family is no more, claims of help and couples therapy benefits the women more and also the money is drained from the man’s wallet not mutually.

[+]GNU_Yorker12 points 4 years ago* [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Real question - why doesn't he accuse her of the exact same thing?

If they're using imaginary weapons why not just cancel it all out?

[–]ThePiachu 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Probably because some people have morals.

[+]GNU_Yorker13 points 4 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I've got morals but they're out the window if someone kidnaps my kid. This is beyond just your usual shitty unfair court order..

[–]gundamjazz 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because no one cares if males are abused

[–]goinsouth85 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly - this is a situation where I really would consider hiring a gangster. Probably cheaper than a lawyer.

[–]scyth3s 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nobody would care and he knows it

[–]GltyUntlPrvnInncnt 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are men still getting married? It's a lose-lose situation.

[–]FriendlyTennis 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Poor Irish bloke.

Poland has some of the most sexist courts in all of the world. A woman can be a drunk, drug addict, prostitute, etc. and she will still win custody over her child every single time.

[–]Vidar34 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, if a woman wants to kidnap her children from their father, she can just take them to Poland.

[–]PhilistinesNeedToDie 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Childfree, all the way.

You'd probably be doing a future human being a favor by preventing them from being born.

Ultimately, it creates a bunch of badly hurt children, who are ripe for lefticle indoctrination.

It may hurt the male parent a bit, but that can be handled once the child becomes a major and cuts out the toxic mother.

[–]alexmijowastaken -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you want children but not a wife, just become a single father

[–]PhilistinesNeedToDie 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At what point did I say I wanted to be a dad?

I am not built to be one, so I got the snip over a year ago and have never looked back.

[–]sleepyJoeBidet 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lesson don't let them leave with your kids.

[+]TracyMorganFreeman -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The court is just interpreting if the law was followed or not.

The problem is the law as it is written.

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