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Mom thanks Starbucks worker for looking out for her daughter. If it was a woman who talked to her, it wouldn't be the same.

smoshylumb8

February 23, 2022
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/r/MensRights
https://www.today.com/food/trends/starbucks-cup-note-teen-girl-rcna17057
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Title Mom thanks Starbucks worker for looking out for her daughter. If it was a woman who talked to her, it wouldn't be the same.
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smoshylumb8

Upvotes 74
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Date February 23, 2022 9:39 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
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[–]npcomp42 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The usual anti-male bigotry.

[–]Kindly-Town 62 points63 points64 points 4 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

This entire situation is too much exaggerated and almost staged by a overparanoid woman employee of Starbucks. She was concern about a girl at day time inside the restaurant full of customers while talking to that man who was most probably ugly (which is the only visible factor she used to profile him as a criminal). Really? Is this average restaurant situation even qualify as suspicious?

If only the race of that man was mentioned, they don't afraid to be sexist, but she would be fired for racially profiling a black man.

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[–]smoshylumb8 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the lesson they're trying to teach men is to never talk to women again because this is what happens. Notice in the article they automatically got defensive just cause it's a man.

[–]OctaviaPinfold 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not even just the race but also the age. They're omitting a lot and it tells a lot. Also that girl was 18, they only write about her as if she was 13. A man going up to a woman in a coffee shop is a totally normal situation, sometimes marriages start like that. Or at least they used to before being a victim became a goal among feminists.

[+]smoshylumb8 -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I get that men are stronger and can be more of a threat and from past experiences, majority are men that commit the crimes and seen as potentially dangeroues, but just the fact that she went out of her way to make the drink with the message on it shows a complete lack of trust of people, especially men in our society and how dangerous it could become. She may not have been completely wrong for what she did and just looking out for a young vulnerable woman, but at the same time, it's messed up that she even had to go that far just based on the person's gender and what we know about today's society and there's not an apparent solution to this issue.

[–]Zappaa1142 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s just kind of showing how pathetic we think young women are. Could you imagine an older woman hitting on an 18 year old boy in a public coffee shop in the middle of the day and thinking you needed to intervene and make sure he’s ok? I get that there is a difference in vulnerability in a setting where she’s alone, but if you can’t tell a guy to leave you alone or that you’re not interested in a god damn Starbucks in the middle of the day you shouldn’t go outside.

[–]npcomp42 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Here's the elephant in the room: Men commit violent crime at 4 times the per capita rate as women. Blacks commit violent crime at 4 times the per capita rate as whites. We understand that the latter statistic is not justification for assuming someone has malicious intent just because they're black, but in our misandric society it's OK to assume someone has malicious intent just because they're male.

[–]sneedchuckfuck 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bingo

[–]Ok_Life8947 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, even black men aren't safe from this. In fact we have it worse. Are you familiar with the Halo Effect? It's a psychological phenomenon where a person is perceived as good or evil based on their looks. Since most black men are described as rugged and imposing, imagine how bad that would be if a brother was caught talking to the young and innocent white girl. I have a white goddaughter, and when I go out I always must consider the possibility that people will get the wrong idea. I love her as if she were my own kin, and i would kill for her.

[–]HaiseKuzuno -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How did you determine this man was at all ugly?

If I saw a random person sit down and engage with a young teenager who may not seem comfortable, I'll find a way to approach them and make sure everything's okay.

[–]Kindly-Town 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In your case, you find that the teenager was not comfortable. In this story, she said she wanted to know if she was uncomfortable. That means she had no idea about that man or the girl and yet she still profiled that man as a criminal based on his looks. So either that man was ugly or he was black for which she should be fired for racial profiling.

[–]Ok_Life8947 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, this is Starbucks after all. The same place where 2 black men were arrested for waiting on someone. They turned out to be real estate agents waiting for a client. Anything that isn't a white or white passing college girl is not allowed there.

[–]OctaviaPinfold 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

So, a man of undisclosed age, not even a hint of him being older so most likely a teen himself or at least not an old guy, tried to talk to a woman in a coffee shop, one of the places where people can do that, and it's suddenly something unimaginable and they talk about the 18-year-old as if she was 13. What the fuck is wrong with these women!? How far can they reach before breaking their backs?

[–]smoshylumb8 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it's fucked up man, I never thought society would come to this. I've literally read articles on good places to meet women now a days, and it suggested to meet them at coffee shops, well then...

[–]Connect_Stay_137 47 points48 points49 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Also women: "why don't men ask us out anymore?"

[–]smoshylumb8 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it's really messed up. I hate how people assume men are just bad people with bad intentions. I don't talk to women anymore, not because I'm shy, but fear of being accused of harassment if I even ask out a girl or just simply talk to them.

[–]Connect_Stay_137 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, I work at a hotel and have to ask people for their phone number [in case they leave things behind in the room]

I don't even bother asking lone female travelers anymore.

[–]HaiseKuzuno -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So you're gonna go sit down with some random teenage girl? Nothing wrong with staff making sure she's okay

[–]TheRabid 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Give people what they want.

[+]aceishereforart -13 points-12 points-11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Women exist for more than just romantic companion ship

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[+]aceishereforart -13 points-12 points-11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

just because you don't agree doesn't mean their decisions shouldn't be respected :)

[–]visicircle 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Reminds me of when I (31 year old male) would take the subway home from work with my co-worker, a 20 year old blonde co-ed. Fucking white knight interrupted our conversation to make sure she was okay.

Funny thing is, I went home on the same train with my 18 year old Hispanic coworker (I was a college TA), we sat next to each other with our arms on each other's shoulders. Not a peep from anyone.

Most white knights are just listening to their dicks (or uteruses). They could really care less what happens to women in general.

[–]TheRabid 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You should have said "She's still not fucking you".

[–]visicircle 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't need to say anything to them. My friends knew who I was.

[–]SapperChimo 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyone who insulted me by doing something like that would be carried off the train and taken to the hospital. White knight will get a lesson from a gray knight.

[–]LuckyNumber-Bot 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

All the numbers in your comment added up to 69. Congrats!

 31 + 20 + 18 = 69 

[–]nice___bot 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Nice!

[–]visicircle 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

[–]Schadrach 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Best part is, he didn't. He made them define what they meant by "sexual relations" before answering that question, and by the definition they used a blowjob didn't count.

[–]CaveMcMahon33 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

There was a story last year in Florida about a waitress looking after someone too. The kid was with his parents at a restaurant. He was skinny and had bruises all over his body. The waitress wrote, "Do you need help? Ok." They thought it was JUST the stepfather hurting him. Turns out, his bio mom would watch and beat him too. Women can be just as abusive.

[–]erik-the-first 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Once again women as a group collectively making life difficult for a man that just wanted to talk to girl while she was studying. Men are treated as bad as any group in history and yet its still seen as okay for women to treat them this way. Average men are leaving the dating world in droves and women will realize the golden ticket they think they have between their legs isn't worth what they think it is.

[–]VanillaPancakes46 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Average men are leaving the dating world in droves and women will realize the golden ticket they think they have between their legs isn't worth what they think it is.

Sadly there's lots of guys these days who have no self-esteem and would be fine dating and marrying women who don't have anything worthwhile to offer.

I see too many young adults mentioning relationship dilemmas and issues that my generation (barely older) would never have put up with for even a second.

"My girlfriend wants an open relationship, it hurts me but I want to make her happy, what do I do?"

"My girlfriend is a camgirl, I'm trying to make it work"

And listening to their problems in more detail it often seems like they're facing these dilemmas because they're trying to do the right thing for the girl. Is this what young men are being taught? That they should cater to the happiness of women to the point of sacrificing their own?

Small compromises are fine, but driving yourself into misery to make someone else happy is going too far. I'm appalled to see young men so indoctrinated they seem to think they'd be bad guys for telling their girlfriend "If you want to have sex with other people, we're done".

[–]Mother-Key582 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really Starbucks or studying related but a friend of mine that I’ve known since we were literally babies (our moms have been bffs since grade school) went on a date over the summer and he’s not the most handsome looking guy ever. But he was confident enough to ask this girl out, which she did agree but then he was just trying to be a gentleman and walk her to the car afterwards. And she rudely asked “why?” And he never heard from her again. Fucking bitch, he was just being nice. I bet if he was better looking, she would’ve yanked him into her car and started making out with him. I felt really bad for him too.

[–]DriftyFlea 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women "why don't men try to flirt or do anything romantic" Also women:

[–]ManofGod1000 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We first have to believe that they are even telling us the true story, let alone the whole story. Therefore, it is most likely a fake story or at least not entirely accurate what they are saying. Also, I can see it now, this 18 year old woman will complain when she cannot find any good man, because she will not talk to anyone. :D Wish I could be a fly on a wall when that happens.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We should just give women Hypergamy alarms. It could be a Bluetooth hairclip or activated like siri. These connect to White Knights who immediately get paged to the scene to defend m'ladys honour. That way if a woman's hypergamous filter identifies a man as disgusting DNA then she can dismiss him in real life as easily as on tinder.

Additionally, she should be able to track all men's histories and social media without restrictions so she can retroactively me too them. If she has some post hoc emotional impulse to do so.

[–]AndyBrown65 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

“Women are wonderful” Social expectations are that only women can be at risk, not men

[–]TheRabid 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like to go with the motto "people are terrible".

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[–]RandomHuman2354 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly, some women are trash, and are fuuelled by feminist. Most women I've met are not trash but yeah, recently more women are being trash thanks to feminism.

[–]Ok_Life8947 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why i never try to date western white women. Their eagerness to milk their victimhood is a bad combination with a big black guy like myself.

[–]Shammy-Adultman -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I have been involved similar situations before, it's just part of being part of a community looking out for those around you.

Notice how diplomatic the Starbucks staff were, just offering the young woman a discrete way to get assistance if she felt unsafe. If the approach was welcomed, then no harm, no foul.

I have also let female co-workers when they have been on the end of sexist jokes or potentially unwanted advances that I have their back if it's unwanted. On 2 occasions I was told it was all good, they don't mind, on one occasion I was told that it did make them feel uncomfortable and victimised but they just wanted to ignore it. On all occasions, I respected their wishes and that was the end of it.

Are people on this sub really going to pretend they've never seen a creepy dude impose himself upon a disinterested and uncomfortable female?

[–]SpookeyClown 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Dudes don't know if the girl would be interested and uncomfortable until they're uninterested and uncomfortable. That's the nature of social interaction. Rejection happens all the dam time in a multitude of scenarios most of which are not romantic propositions. Just because a tiny percentage of rejections end in danger does not justify sexism.

[–]Shammy-Adultman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

"the adult man lingered for a while and talked “fairly loudly.” “It sounded like he was quite animated. I believe this is what alerted the employees. He had also not come in with my daughter, so they knew she probably did not know him,” she explained."

Sexism is a form of prejudice (literally meaning making a judgement prior to having the information to make an informed judgement).

In this instance they know they didn't come in together, it is likely the girls body language expressed discomfort and the man was behaving in an atypical manner.

This isn't prejudice.

If they cam in together holding hands, we're talking pleasantly to each other and the assumption was that the girl was in danger because men are inherently violent, then yes that would be sexism and objectively wrong.

At what point is it OK to intervene in these circumstances? Do you wait for the girl to scream for help? Do you wait for him to become physical?

There is nothing in this story that a reasonable person could take offence to. We are only hearing one side of the story, it is possible that the reality was very different, however any story can be a further example of misandry if you choose to believe all the information is fake and the reality was whatever you need it to be to justify your position.

[–]SpookeyClown 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The only way this wouldn't be sexist is if she did this for anyone who has an uncomfortable social interaction with a loud person they didn't know. Maybe she does, who knows.

[–]Shammy-Adultman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

So your logic is:

  • this staff member helped somebody they thought might need assistance from an unknown male
  • if they do this regardless of their sex, it would not be sexist.
  • we don't know whether they have or would do this in other situations

Conclusion: they're sexist

Do you see where your argument is internally invalid, your conclusion is not supported your premises.

Sometimes when you're unsure of your internal biases, it can be good to see if it works with thought experiments. For example:

PREMISE 1: a staff member went to see if a cat needed assistance after seeing it approached by a rat PREMISE 2: this staff member may or may not do this for all animals CONCLUSION: This staff member hates rats

It also isn't fair to say that the approach has to be the complete same based on gender. Sometimes you may have to offer assistance disproportionately.

For example, I despise violence, I find family violence particularly disgusting.

Were I to see a woman slapping her partner it is unlikely I would intervene, as typically the guy is going to be larger (I know this isn't always the case).

However, were I to see somebody assaulting a child there would be no difference whether it was a little boy or little girl, I would speak up.

This demonstrates that my likeliness to intervene is driven by my perception of how vulnerable they are. There is an argument that we are programmed to see men as completely invulnerable to harm at a woman's hands, however from an ideological perspective it comes down to a cost benefit analysis considering how likely the victim is to get hurt and how realistic it is I could offer assistance.

[–]SpookeyClown 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Probably for the best. I don't recommend intervening with a violent woman anyways. Last time I tried pulling the woman off the guy she was repeatingly bashing with a shoe to the face, she pepper sprayed me then kicked me in the balls. The cops arrested me for assault. I've gotten my ass beat from violent doods too in a similar situation but at least I didn't go to jail. Not worth it. Unless you're a ninja or something.

Kids are different. I wouldn't mind taking a beating for a kid to get away.

[–]Shammy-Adultman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And then everybody clapped.

And spookeyclowns real name? It was Albert Einstein.

[–]SpookeyClown 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That'd be so fucked up if everyone clapped.

[–]Shammy-Adultman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It would be so fucked up if any of it was real to be honest.

[–]Key_Chef_3314 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I completely agree. Users on this sub love to go on about “biological differences” between men and women, and how men are inherently “stronger”. So by their logic it’s quite obvious why decent members of society would offer an out to women being approached by unfamiliar men. It’s not so much about antagonizing the man as it is a concern for the girl’s safety. It was discreet and not insulting to the man in any publicly perceivable way. It’s interesting that women’s safety is less important to these men than a man’s ego.

[–]SpookeyClown 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

So long as girls are benefiting, sexism against men is fine? This sounds familiar...

The idea of safety has rationalized discrimination forever. If you're a black man who is in a white neighborhood, cops get called on us all the dam time because we're making white people feel unsafe and uncomfortable. I might be a burglar or rapist or w/e. Then we're told it's no big deal to be profiled and hassled all the time so long as the white people in the neighborhood feels safer. Thankfully that's just now starting to change. I guess you think it's all about our egos.

In this story a woman is literally getting applauded for her sexism.

[–]Key_Chef_3314 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She didn’t call the cops did she? She simply left it up to the girl to decide if she needs help or not. The man was not hurt, slighted, or even publicly acknowledged in any manner. It’s laughable that you consider this discrimination when women around the globe are disproportionately denied rights, killed, raped, and sold as property by (selective, not ALL) men who face no consequences for decades if it at all. Discrimination plagues SEVERAL marginalized groups, it is not a gendered issue. I empathize with men whose intentions were perceived the wrong way by the public, and I am always ready to listen to those who’ve felt victimized. However, I also emphasize with the 137 women who are killed ever day by their own family members. When violence against women is a global issue, it’s never wrong to be extra careful in any circumstance where you’re not adversely affecting a potentially innocent party. Just like the barista did.

[+]MisterBowTies -18 points-17 points-16 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The amount of coverage this is getting here is why mensrights isn't taken seriously. None of us know the situation or what was actually happening, and it is a very easy target for people to point at this and say "see they are complaining because a woman was looking out for someone else" was she overreacting? Probably, but this method has saved people before.

[–]Clemicus 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The amount of coverage this is getting here is why mensrights isn't taken seriously

Are you seriously policing? Anything can and does gets used against men's rights

None of us know the situation or what was actually happening, and it is a very easy target for people to point at this and say "see they are complaining because a woman was looking out for someone else"

The sex of the barista is unknown. That's borderline insidious and please don't claim oh, it's them. Those people who are against mens rights on some conceptual level. You wrote it

The problem is how someone, a barista in this case, reacted towards a man who was talking to a woman. The sex of that individual, the one that tried to intervene, doesn't enter in to it. It's their behaviour

was she overreacting? Probably, but this method has saved people before.

You couldn't even go a full paragraph without contradicting yourself. No one here knows the full situation, right? You wrote something similar in the second sentence. Why did you feel you had to end it with that?

[+]aceishereforart -15 points-14 points-13 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Something people aren’t noting in the comments is that the only reason the barista did anything was because the man was talking loudly and the girl looked uncomfortable. She did not go after the man or publically embarrass him. She was very non-confrontational and the girl ended up being ok and not uncomfortable. An employee saw possible early warning signs of discomfort and just wanted to make sure everything was alright

[–]TextDependent6779 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

she felt safe

that's all you need from the article. if she felt safe, she wouldn't have been looking uncomfortable. someone talking loudly is not an excuse to treat someone like a danger.

we obviously know it was a stranger, but what if it had been a friend who just randomly encountered the girl? i would have been offended they treated my friend in such a way.

[+]aceishereforart -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Actually it is an excuse. If someone is talking loud to a person who looks uncomfortable, anyone would be safe to assume something. I’m not going to go into what if’s cause that’s not the situation. The barista did not get up and shout at the guy or degrade him. I don’t get why making sure someone is comfortable is looked down upon

[–]TextDependent6779 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

except she felt safe. she wouldn't have been looking uncomfortable. if you're really gonna sit there and argue with me that talking loudly is an excuse, go ahead, ill be sure to treat the next loud woman i see the same way.

choose not to go into what ifs if you want, but the point remains that without eavesdropping, the employee had no way to know whether the pair knew each other.

[–]aceishereforart -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Tbh you’re looking for a fight. Again, I said talking loudly paired with someone looking uncomfortable is an obvious social que. she literally just made sure the girl wasn’t getting harassed or made to feel weird. Is that wrong? I s2g y’all want women to be beaten and crying before someone should intervene.

[–]TextDependent6779 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I s2g y’all want women to be beaten and crying before someone should intervene.

no, i want them to actually look uncomfortable. you keep trying to argue the girl looked uncomfortable and at no point does the article state that. it states the opposite.

beaten

i don't need assault. watch what happens if ANYONE my girlfriend doesn't know, male or female, lays a finger on her.

Tbh you’re looking for a fight

no, im just astounded by the lengths some people are willing to reach to make a valid point.

[–]aceishereforart -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It actually does. Use your eyes and fucking find it. It’s not hard. God fucking forbid someone looks out for another person. Maybe try with your girlfriend sometime, I can guarantee she and any other woman in your life can tell you of multiple experiences of feeling comfortable in a public setting and wishing someone had stepped. My point is extremely valid, because I’m thinking outside of my own experience as a man and thinking of others. Try it sometime.

[–]SpookeyClown 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As a black man dating white women, I can't tell you how many times people have asked her in private if I was bothering her. My girlfriend has gone off on people who ask her that. That never happens when I date a black woman. Looking out for people may be admirable, but not if it's birthed out of discrimination.

[–]rabel111 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The hearing impaired talk loudly. Are you always treating people with disabilities like criminals and weirdos? Or are you just trolling.

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