has it got better for us? will it only get better from now on?

BloomingBrains · 2022-03-14T06:25:52+00:00

That's a tough question. People used to be more cavalier about traditional male gender roles. They were more difficult to escape. Even though they're still being used now, its less overt. For example, in 1900's it was very much openly expected that you should get married young, work your fingers to the bone, and provide for a wife who didn't work. But the cost of living was also a lot lower back then, and at least you were pretty much guaranteed to find a wife and a home if you weren't a jobless deadbeat.

So I suppose it really comes down to whether you view "playing the game" as worth it or not.

TheLWMA · 2022-03-14T03:07:30+00:00

I have seen male issues being discussed more. I've also seen more criticism of feminism in regard to the movement's flippant attitude towards male issues.

One of my fears is that male issues will get co-opted by conservative groups.

LaserowaPani · 2022-03-14T09:14:11+00:00

Maybe society see that shaming men into the so called plantation isnt working anymore so they want to throw some bones for men to get them back and give them hope for stable family. I dont really think that society cares about men i think it cares more about keeping society stable.

RockmanXX · 2022-03-14T14:24:41+00:00

allowing men to be vulnerable

Nope, Feminists are trying to dictate how Men SHOULD express their vulnerability. They refuse to recognize Male anger as an expression of male vulnerability, they treat male anger as an illegitimate Toxic Emotion that should just be "done away with" somehow.

Feminists are infamous for hounding men that shield their insecurity, they call it "Fragile Masculinity" or "Broflakes", its all the same. Feminists do not care about Men expressing vulnerability in a way they feel comfortable with(which is usually caked in lot of masculine bravado). Men are only allowed to express their vulnerability in a very self-deprecating,feminine&submissive way and any other form of male expression is deemed "Toxic Masculinity".

Toxic Masculinity is NOT about getting rid of barriers that block male self-expression, its about what ideas of masculinity make Women uncomfortable. Ergo, "Toxic Masculinity" is just misogyny policing with extra steps.

Nachtlicht_ · 2022-03-14T16:01:24+00:00

It's hard to assess that. There are many areas where it got better and it's not that weird to talk about male issues nowadays - when I feel like there's no hope I go on youtube watch for example TED talks, where people criticize feminism, stand for male rights, talk about boys problems. But still that's exception sadly and most mainstream media, political movements, policy makers, literally everyone who has whatever impact on the masses, all of them don't seem to acknowledge the abundance of issues men and boys face and honestly I feel like they still either don't care or don't know. There's a freaking war in Europe where men and only men are forbidden from leaving the country and nobody said shit about that. Amnesty International, UN, nothing. So yeah. I feel like it gets better but will take like 200/300 years at this pace when men will be treated like humans. I recently thought about age pyramids, new generations of boys - always more than girls, entering maturity, then at the old age there's significantly less of them than women, every generation fallowing the same path. That's very sad. I wish one day there will be a generation of boys born who will be sort of free. But I feel it will get better, this state in which our society is right now feels unstable.

MRA_TitleIX · 2022-03-17T14:26:41+00:00

When it comes to educational issues it will get a lot worse before it gets better.

We all know the stats about men dropping out or not going to college at alarming rates. Those rates are accelerating. It's getting worse faster.

Right now, the gender gap in college is 50% worse than it was when Title IX was passed. When women were underrepresented, legislation was passed to help them. Now that genders are flipped and the gap is worse, the government says nothing.

In a recent OCR document on the disparate impact of covid on segments of the student population, they provided literally zero discussion of impact on men. Men make up 40% of students in universities but were 78% of the drop in enrollment during covid. Somehow, OCR managed to reference academic papers that talk about disparate impact to men, but OCR only used racial data from those papers. I wonder why?

We aren't even at the point of discussing the issue in government and the problem is getting worse faster every year.

My bet is that it doesn't even become a point of discussion until men are less than 25% of students in universities, at which point we will have failed generations of men.

TheSnesLord · 2022-03-17T10:31:43+00:00

I feel like it is getting better

You have to be joking right?

mewacketergi2 · 2022-03-15T01:03:36+00:00

I think so, yes. A lot of these things are just civilization and cultural progress catching up to us.

Ausiwandilaz · 2022-03-16T10:15:23+00:00

I have optimism for the comming years, as the worker shortage happens, and society is desperate, and more men are just being independent again, that feminism will finally realize how much society needs men. We starved them out? Tech industry is 90% men, because in tech(programming, software engineerin, etc)(for the most part) these days, you don't need a degree...so let the women go to college, spend all that money, it's just another government/corporate get rich scheme, while men make bank in tech we learned in half a year.

So yeah I would like to see more women in the manual labor jobs I have done, or even in the food industry(back of house, cooking, dishwashing) but I don't. If they are they are mostly immigrants, and yes thoes women bust ass.

Title	has it got better for us? will it only get better from now on?
Author	rochesterslim
Upvotes	21
Comments	14
Date	March 14, 2022 2:54 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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