Bill Maher says we're becoming girly men that women bang. Thoughts?

jamesbwbevis · 2022-03-29T15:04:10+00:00

He’s absolutely right about women being disingenuous about what they want out of men. The people who cry about the “wage gap” are the same ones who demand that their boyfriend or husband makes more money than them.

AbysmalDescent · 2022-03-29T14:26:23+00:00

It's weird how he brings testosterone into this, even though it has really nothing to do with how men act in this sense. You can have high testosterone guys who are incels and low testosterone guys that do whatever he thinks men aren't doing. It's quite ignorant, hateful and manipulative.

And, what's worse, is that if it was a matter of testosterone and it was a systematic issue(possibly world wide), then wtf are men supposed to do about it? It's clearly an external factor outside of their control, so why wouldn't it just be up to women to adjust? It's like, if there was a chemical in the air that made every woman have small tits, it would be expected of men to just suck it up and accept that new reality.

silvrado · 2022-03-29T15:22:33+00:00

he's referring to wokesters.

jamesbwbevis · 2022-03-29T10:54:48+00:00

*that women won't bang

Morden013 · 2022-03-29T19:04:44+00:00

He is 100% right.

What he points really well is the psychological programming that is in effect:

Be more sensitive and adjust to the feminist program, losing your identity.
Be rejected for being adjusted and no longer interesting, while at the same time having completely lost your identity.

Yoramus · 2022-03-29T17:19:27+00:00

Here I see his take is controversial. Some disagree with him since he tell men what they should do, the others agree since he calls bullshit on feminism.

I think that what I can take is that

Traditional masculinity shouldn't be shunned. It's a perfectly good framework to live in should you choose to
Traditional masculinity is attractive to women

The problem is that traditional masculinity can also be dangerous for men because it may make them disposable.

You can still reject those parts and live your life behaving like a traditional man except for the part where you worship women. In fact for a lot of men this is a very natural and healthy way to live. For the ones that don't fit in traditional masculinity they should be encouraged to live in a way they feel good with themselves (but it's a fact that some women will be less attracted if they don't behave in a traditional way).

So I see just a positive message from Bill

tasfa10 · 2022-03-30T00:47:50+00:00

He's wrong.

- "You can go on about how masculinity itself is toxic or you can be horny for Volodymyr Zelensky but you can't do both." To begin with, "toxic masculinity" doesn't mean masculinity itself is toxic, that's a misunderstanding of the term and you'd be hard pressed to find someone using that term in that sense other than someone who's triggered by the expression and is trying to strawman it. Go ahead, downvote me as usual. It simply is not what it means. Second, "you can't do both" without showing any evidence that the people who do one thing are the same who do the other. You can see the same thing here in the comments. u/Euclidly says "The people who cry about the “wage gap” are the same ones who demand that their boyfriend or husband makes more money than them." Are they tho? Do you have examples to show or are you just saying because it makes you sound right and other people stupid?

- "It's not always a great advantage to be men and toxic though we may be we do sometimes come in handy". I agree. But then again, I think pretty much everyone agrees, that's not that controversial. (I know I know, some radical crazy feminist says otherwise and stupid slogans like "men are trash", if taken very seriously, seem to imply otherwise)

- "Maybe now would be a good time for relationship gurus to stop saying that women just want a man who'll listen" Well, fine, you want to take those twits literally and assume every woman who said they wanted to bang him is dead serious. Even then, the person you want to bang and the person you want to be in a relationship with isn't necessarily the same. To know how to listen is still a good skill to have in a relationship.

- And then the "fix her radiator", "go fight the robbers", "emulate John Wick" is a reinforcement of bad expectations society puts on men. Men don't need to know how to or to volunteer to fix things to be men. Men don't need to put their lives in danger and to be violent to be men. They certainly shouldn't aspire to the senseless violence of John Wick. His dog gets killed so he singlehandedly slaughters the entire mafia. It's stupid, it's gratuitous violence, it's a bad masculine ideal that promotes men harming others and endangering themselves, and that type of unpredictable violent behavior drives well adjusted women away.

- Adolescents not masturbating is to be taken as a serious psychological matter. This "you don't masturbate? Are you a pussy?" attitude is only more damaging. Something is going on when people in their fertility peak don't have a sex drive anymore and it's not because everyone's a pussy now...

- The same goes for people not having sex for more than a year. If I had to bet I'd say the internet probably has something to do with it. Being isolated in front of a computer doesn't promote human relations, much less those that involve physical contact. And then there's dating apps, that favor the better looking men and makes them available to many women, while before dating apps I guess women were more likely to settle with men that they knew. That "men are such pussies now that actual pussies want nothing to do with them" is a stupid analysis and it reinforces the expectation that men should be willing to go kill and die in stupid wars to be blessed with sex.

- "Even the act of asking a girl out is seen by many people as overly aggressive". Is it?! Where?!

- Men are trash is a stupid slogan and it's unacceptable. I agree.

- I didn't know about "pajamas boy" until now, but what's wrong with it? Do I have to use my military uniform to bed now in order not to be a pussy?? "Wear pajamas, drink hot chocolate, talk about getting health insurance". Sounds right to me. "Ask your doctor if chemical castration is right for you". Right, real men wear military uniforms to bed, drink gasoline and operate themselves if they ever need surgery. Why's Bill Maher acting like he's the epitome of traditional masculinity tho?? Has he looked at himself??

- "Poor incels, girls don't want to have sex with you unless you put in a little effort?" That's diminishing men's problems. Many men struggle with women and it's not just because they didn't put in a little effort.

That being said, I do think there may be a contradiction between what attracts women and what a modern ideal of masculinity is. It may just be a lag and it may catch up. After all teenage girls and even young adult women are all over very feminized Korean pop stars these days. Only time will tell.

I also think it's a bad idea to glorify Zelensky. Just because Putin is a villain it doesn't mean we need to make a hero out of Zelensky. There's plenty to criticize about him and in fact, western media wasn't that keen on Zelensky before the war, for good reason.

And finally yes, I understand this is comedy, he's not literally suggesting chemical castration and so on. But it seems like he does believe in the general picture of what he's saying and many people who watch him do as well.

RockmanXX · 2022-03-29T11:31:31+00:00

And so what if it did? Do Men exist for the sake of banging Women Or are they their own individuals with dreams&desires? Is there a Bechdel Test for men? It seems like Tradcon fuckwits like bill can't separate Men's reason to exist from the services Men provide to Women.

Deckardisdead · 2022-03-30T00:59:05+00:00

He is on target. The women in America seem to want the men to be servants to a female supremacy delusion. The sexes have differences in ability. Thats nature. Bill is pointing out that the more feminine men are the product of the current way women raise boys. Single mothers are the normal atmosphere for children (at least in the areas I live in) so if they are raising boys then the father should be around. but the legal system and government favor mothers and often just abuse fathers.

theoracleofosiris · 2022-03-30T05:39:52+00:00

People who take women seriously deserve what they get.

Want a smooth and peaceful life? No contracts of any kind with women. Keep their company but nothing serious. Take whatever they say with a pinch of salt. Always be able to thrive on your own.

peanutbutterjams · 2022-03-29T11:53:42+00:00

I think it's perpetuating traditional gender roles for men and acting as if they're the norm.

I no more agree with his description of "man" than I do a feminist's.

Saying that there's a drop in testosterone and sex since the 70's because "pussies don't attract pussy" is overly simplistic and just serves to rally his base, all of whom think they are the "real man".

nevermock · 2022-03-29T15:08:51+00:00

It's common for Boomers to say crap like this.

Mechanik_J · 2022-03-29T13:45:01+00:00

Every person has their own journey in life. No man should tell another man how to live his life, unless that man asks for opinions, help, or is in immediate danger.

KingWhoCared86 · 2022-03-29T11:12:07+00:00

He’s not wrong.

GulchDale · 2022-03-29T14:37:37+00:00

It's true in away. Men today have become emasculated from the womb. They're told they need to "show their feminine side". To top it off, most men these days are born to single moms.

Have you heard the phrase," Maybe he grew up around a lot of women," when talking about an effeminate man? Well...

International-Bet996 · 2022-03-30T05:34:18+00:00

It’s true. Look at the testosterone levels in men now compared to 50 years ago. Way lower. Plus women don’t like when men actually act like a man because it’s toxic masculinity apparently. So men have to act like pussies to get some pussy.

ChadWolf98 · 2022-03-30T13:02:01+00:00

He's right.

Boy bands, kpop, metrosexual style, any male fashion event etc. Full of nonmasculine men.

It is kinda made the ideal in media despite, imo, a vast majority of women like traditionally masculine men.

Amazing-Window-346 · 2022-03-30T00:40:39+00:00

But isn't that what women wanted?

Due-Slice-3685 · 2022-03-30T17:24:46+00:00

Hes actually wrong. Studies show people are having less sex theyre too busy.

NoBrick444 · 2022-03-31T05:45:03+00:00

He's not wrong.

Title	Bill Maher says we're becoming girly men that women bang. Thoughts?
Author	jamesbwbevis
Upvotes	45
Comments	55
Date	March 29, 2022 10:53 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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