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An honest wish of a Dad.

DapperWeather2891

August 23, 2022
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Title An honest wish of a Dad.
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DapperWeather2891

Upvotes 1108
Comments 90
Date August 23, 2022 2:02 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]wildKarenusedscREEch 170 points171 points172 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

STOP TURNING KIDS INTO KAREN'S

[–]mixing_saws 89 points90 points91 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Whats the context? Did woke google do some misandrist bs again?

[–]Hound_of_Hell 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I Upvoted you to 69 😎

[–]nice___bot 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice!

[+]Lylecindahouse -44 points-43 points-42 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I believe the context is “a 35 year old dude yells a non sequitur at a cloud. All his friends agree.”

[–]Balages 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Whats with the bot posts this week? This is like 5th of it

[–]Eval-conundrum 88 points89 points90 points 3 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Obviously Dad has never experienced misogyny and abuse and no one will listen?1!?eleven

You always go to HR, you always need an adult to make the mean noises stop. You know, like when a severely autistic kids freaks out from loud noises.

[–]Mother-Key582 40 points41 points42 points 3 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

Speaking of autism, (I am on the spectrum myself btw) I really can’t stand those stickers on the back of minivans about how they have a kid on the spectrum, so no loud beeping or road rage!!!! My kid is SPECIAL and everybody needs to know! Like I get it in a way, but do we really need those kinds of stickers? I would never put that on the back of my car, even if I was referring to myself and please nobody beep at me!!!! 😩

[–]jameson71 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If they would drive courteously there would be no need for the bumper sticker

[–]BulbasaurusThe7th 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you almost been hit on the pedestrian crossing by a mom driving a car with all those "OMG, I am a mom, I have a kid with me, be specially nice to me" stickers?
I have. It was funny. Like she doesn't even pay attention in the most basic ways, but everyone should pay special attention to HER.

[–]Throwawayingaccount 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know if this is true or not, but I have heard that those stickers are for (or at least were originally for) paramedics.

If there's a car crash, the paramedic would see the sticker, and know that the eight year old might just bite the paramedic's arm, or something similar.

[–]DoomRabbitDaBunny 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There's another way to keep from being honked and road raged at....

But that may require some self awareness and corrective action on their part, which we know.aint gonna fucking hapoen....so it's now my responsibility

[–]gafgone5 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's real fun following behind a car with a "baby on board" sign when they suddenly brake check you trying to nab insurance

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am also on the spectrum but I I saw someone with a sticker like that I'd beep to piss them off If I had a car

[–]SuspiciousMeat6696 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe it's for 1st responders to be aware during a rescue / vehicle extraction?

[–]JimBrown257 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Having a "Please don't honk at me" sticker on your car seems like a pretty sure fire way to get people honking at you.

How often do most people get honked at anyways? In the movies, the streets always have horns honking but in real life honks are pretty rare. I probably hear a few a year. And speaking of movie honks, in movie traffic jams, people are constantly honking. I real like I don't think I have ever heard a person honk during a traffic jam.

[–]Porpoise555 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Going to HR gets you fired.

[–]Eval-conundrum -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nonsense. HR is there to support you 100%

[–]phoenix335 34 points35 points36 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He's wrong, tho.

We do not like it, but at this state of affairs, playing the victim or gambling for luck with partnership is far far more lucrative than honest work.

[–]mixing_saws 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Until men refuse to play along. It takes two for this to work. This is why we need to educate men and boys about this bs.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your second sentence says that he was right.

[–]silentloler 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lowkey Google is kinda right… You can be the best at your job and no one will care or reward you. The little assholes that complain at HR get all the bonuses, raises and promotions. They end up with triple the salary of someone who doesn’t complain

[–]tlobj 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

My 19 yr-old sons attitude is refreshing. He says he wishes he lived in the 1980’s - “it seems like everyone was tougher back then!”

[–]Lecomodore 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He should try the 1700s or 1800s in the midwest. Thats tough and the simplicity gets you away from the shit that goes on today.

[–]CervantesX 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Also the cholera.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And having 8 children, out of which half die before they turn 2 years old. Very fun.

[–]4DoorsDownMe1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s 2022, most managers are women nowadays.

So women are at a CLEAR disadvantage when it comes to building a relationship with the boss.

All a woman has to do is convince the boss that they’re friends, and they get all sorts of advantages against everyone else.

[–]CervantesX 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope, not even close, sorry.

A 2020 analysis by Mercer of over 1,100 organizations across the world found ... :

Executives: 23%

Senior managers: 29%

Managers: 37%

Professionals: 42%

Support staff: 47%

https://www.catalyst.org/research/women-in-management/

We could quibble definitions, source, scope, etc, but there's really no honest argument in support of your position.

[–]Huffers1010 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

For what it's worth, I can anecdote about this all day. I work in a traditionally guy-heavy trade. My wife works in an extremely guy-heavy trade that was one of the last in the developed world to open up to women. Both of us are often approached by young people who want to do what we do, and both of us are keen to help.

Both of us have met young women who claim they'd like to do what we do, but are afraid to try because they've been told - well, indoctrinated into the idea - that the world is out to stop them getting into the career they want. Ask why and they'll almost invariably make vague, emotive, fact-free references to "the news" or "social media." Overwhelmingly, what's stopping these people is not me or anyone I've ever even heard of. I'm not telling people they can't succeed. I'm not telling them they can't have the job. I'm not telling anyone she can't have a good career and I've never once even heard of anyone else doing that. That view is coming from the forces of critical race and gender theory, fourth-wave and intersectional feminism, and related ideologies, who have learned that pushing that agenda gives them a lot of political power.

Edit re the comments in a reply below - what I'm talking about here is the modern popularised concept of critical theory, which is really not what critical theory was originally supposed to be about. For more information read about Max Horkheimer on Wikipedia, and be aware that what's currently described in terms such as "critical race theory" is a complete perversion of the original work, and really just exists as a convenient way to prove more or less anything about more or less anyone. Horkheimer, and his buddies, would have been horrified, though that's more or less what "critical race theory" means in modern discourse.

This stuff is shit for everyone.

[–]NutsLikeMelons 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You were doing fine until you mentioned critical race theory.

[–]Huffers1010 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Er, okay, what's your objection? My position is that all of those things have led to the creation of similar narratives that risk provoking people to self-select out of things they desperately want to do. I have met people to whom I very strongly suspect that has happened, and it is a tragedy.

That's not good, whether we're talking race, gender or anything else. What's the problem?

[–]NutsLikeMelons 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

CRT is a theoretical advanced college course that has nothing to do with the real world, feminism, job selection or restricting people’s choices. You’re talking about what some “news” outlets have said CRT is, not what it actually is.

[–]Huffers1010 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

OK, sure, in theory you're absolutely right. I've said this myself on a few occasions: what people call critical theory now is a shambling zombie of what it once was. I'm sure Max Horkheimer is probably rolling in his grave at what people have done with some of his ideas, and I believe that some prominent commentators in that field of philosophy have begged people to stop misusing critical theory in the way it's currently being misused. I'll go back and add clarification to that effect, no argument.

That said, in the context of what people often mean by critical theory, I think the point I made stands. It's just being used, or abused, as a way to justify more or less any political standpoint (in the formal philosophical sense of standpoint). We can discuss what you want to call that, but I think it's pretty clear it absolutely is being used to push a political point that makes victims out of people and tends to dissuade them from actually pursuing the things they want to do - a sort of learned helplessness. No, that's not what Horkheimer et al wanted, but it is what's being done in their name.

Does that clear it up?

[–]NutsLikeMelons 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah ok. All good.

[+]htiafon -25 points-24 points-23 points 3 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

Shit like this is why the "oh we're not misogynists we're just worried about men" line falls flat.

You go to HR when someone is behaving inappropriately in the workplace. That has nothing at all to do with the skills you have or the career you pursue. It has to do wuth a coworker's misbehavior.

[–]MBV-09-C 34 points35 points36 points 3 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

HR isn't made for the workers, it exists for the company's benefit. HR's job is to keep the company out of hot water, and they might do that by taking a genuine complaint seriously, they might also do that by not fact-checking the situation and just knee-jerk-reaction taking action on a false accusation. Hell, they could even just throw out the person that complained if they think it would be easier and more cost effective than solving the problem. The only thing they care about is making sure the company doesn't get sued, that's why it holds water.

When the company gets word that a female employee says a male employee sexually harassed/assaulted/etc. her, do you think HR is going to research that properly? Likely not, because it would cost the company more PR and money to launch a proper investigation and risk rumors spreading that they didn't immediately take action on it and must be defending/employing 'abusers', whereas throwing the accused guy out saves them that possibility with little repercussion because people will automatically have sympathy for the woman's claim, and lawyers typically are adverse to taking defamation cases of men falsely accused by women.

Tl;dr: HR is a problem because it's priority is company image, not employee safety/comfort. It's not 'misogyny' to be worried about potentiality for abuse of company resources just because it may benefit women.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In all hostile work environments, one should always without exception contact the EEOC first.
Ask them if you can bring a hidden recorder to work. In virtually all cases they will say yes, regardless of any company policy or 2 party consent laws.

[–]cjgager -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

i know no one will believe me - but this can also happen if a male employee also says that they were sexually harassed/assaulted/etc. in this day & age - mainly possibly because of sites like this - male assaults are also taken very seriously. just saying - it is not all one sided.

[–]EvilSapphire 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. No they aren't. Women passing off crude comments on men are barely taken seriously. I say this as a man whose dressing style has been crassly commented on by a woman superior to me in the workplace hierarchy, and when talking about it with other people she even described it as 'teasing' me and nobody bat an eye. The situation reversed wouldn't have been tolerated at all, or at the very least, would've made the male superior look very weird in front of people.

[+]CreeperAsh07 -9 points-8 points-7 points 3 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link

Sites like this probably hurt men's rights with the amount of misogyny here.

[–]pearl_harbour1941 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Are you 14? or 15. Doesn't matter. Your brain literally doesn't fully mature until you're around 28. We can't expect you to understand what misogyny really is, or how much is around.

[–]CreeperAsh07 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Nice condescension, unfortunately this sub’s misogyny is too obvious to anyone not affected by bias. People out here saying girls are sluts who don’t have it hard in life and how women are the oppressors and we should hate them. This isn’t even me assuming it. They are straight up saying it.

[–]pearl_harbour1941 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I thought you'd like the condescension, you're welcome. I'll stop.

Maybe you could tell me what your definition of misogyny is, as I have a feeling my definition is different. Then I can potentially agree with you about how much misogyny is expressed here, or whether it isn't actually misogyny at all. I won't know unless I know how you define it.

[–]CreeperAsh07 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Misogyny is the hate and discrimination of women based on their sex. If the examples I put in my previous comment didn’t look like misogyny to you, you are a lost cause.

[–]pearl_harbour1941 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Okay, okay. I said I'd stop the condescension and I have. I keep to my word. There is no need to poke the bear by suggesting that I'm a lost cause if I don't agree with you.

So, taking your definition, which I'm fine with, what specifically are your examples of hate and discrimination against women based solely on their sex?

[–]CreeperAsh07 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Here are some cliche ones that still exist today: women belong in the kitchen, women exist for sex, women should leave science to men, women are cheaters and not faithful, women are sluts, etc etc. These are typically said to be about all women.

[–]SunosUnix 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or orrrrr, "go to HR with a false report and then use it to sue the business and whoever you are scapegoating"

[+]NeoMarethyu -27 points-26 points-25 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This doesn't even relate to men's rights in any way whatsoever, all it is doing is saying "hurr Durr feminists dumb"

[–]DnDad 27 points28 points29 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How does pointing out that women are making false claims (against men) to HR in hopes of a payday not having to do with Men's Rights?

[+]NeoMarethyu -14 points-13 points-12 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

To imply that teaching a girl she can complain about inappropriate behaviour by her male coworkers will only result in false claims against innocent men is ludicrous.

The kind of person who would file a false complaint against someone else exclusively for their own benefit would have already worked to find out that sort of thing by themselves.

Meanwhile I would hazard a guess that most people who don't complain because they don't know they have that optiom so or they are taught that it is "rude" or "unprofessional" to do so have mostly legitimate reasons.

This line of thought of "feminism only empowers women with bad faith intentions to hurt innocent men" while it may have some minute grain of truth in that there exist some examples of this happening is extremely overblown and used as propaganda by right leaning groups to get moderates to agree with them and thus appear more reasonable than their opponents by default.

As a matter of fact women falsely accusing men predates modern feminism by quite a lot, such as the case of Emmett Till, however you won't see these "commentators" talk about that one because it doesn't quite fit their narrative that the good old days were better while also not wanting to talk about the matter because there is quite an overlap between the people who critically examine modern feminism grand failings and people who start quoting statistics when they talk about black people

[–]DnDad 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To imply that teaching a girl she can complain about inappropriate behaviour by her male coworkers will only result in false claims against innocent men is ludicrous.

Holy straw man batman.

That's not what's happening. What's happening is women are making false accusations at the drop of a hat hoping or a fat pay day (obligatory not all women).

We are teaching women that any time they are "uncomfortable" someone needs to be reported to HR. Hell, that's the whole concept of "microaggressions". Something that isn't offensive, but you really want to be offended by it.

[+]Bluest_waters -27 points-26 points-25 points 3 years ago* (17 children) | Copy Link

FYI this is the dipshit that convinced millions to take ivermectin instead of real medicine. He is a major grifter.

EDIT: apparently its his brother Brett that is the dipshit, sorry bout that.

[–]justpickaname 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That's his brother, Brett.

[–]Bluest_waters -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

oh is that it? I get the two confused, sorry

[–]justpickaname 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No worries - not sure why people are downvoting you here. =\ I used to follow them both a fair amount years ago, but have sure been disappointed with the Ivermectin and all the unnecessary death it almost certainly lead to.

[–]Bluest_waters 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

👍

[–]DnDad8 points 3 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

You mean the same ivermectin that had such strong evidence supporting it's use that it was given to the Queen of England by her doctors when she contracted Covid?

[–]Bluest_waters -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

who gives a fuck what she took? Studies have clearly shown it doesn't work.

Also given the queen herself is a massive parasite I'm surprised it didn't kill her.

[–]DnDad 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Studies have also shown an increase in Covid Survival in ICU patient by 300% of taking ivermectin.

I'm assuming you ALSO read those studies... right?

The whole reason ivermectin even came on the radar was that countries with heavy ivermectin usage in humans (it's also used in animals) did not have the mortality rate from covid as those where it was not used (or used to a much lesser degree).

Japan was the first country to start researching ivermectin use in Covid patients.

[–]Bluest_waters 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

the studies that showed benefits were all done in third world countries with high parasite laods, so not a mystery

The gold star, high standard tests all showed no benefits to IVM

[–]DnDad -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8236126/

Please tell me you aren't always this anti-science.

[–]Bluest_waters 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

low certainty of evidence

from your study. It literally describes itself as a low quality study because it is

this is a high quality study and it found no help with IVM

https://corporate.dukehealth.org/news/study-finds-no-benefit-taking-ivermectin-covid-19-symptoms

[–]Shitpostradamus 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Ivermectin is real medicine. How the fuck do people not understand this

[–]Bluest_waters 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

yes for parasites, not for covid, studies have clearly shown this

[–]run_mochila -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Has no side effects, seems to work regardless of original intent, super cheap, might as well try it.

[–]Diesel-66 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It has serious side effects. Not to mention most people weren't getting it prescribed so they were taking random doses through pet medicine

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/ivermectin-oral-route/side-effects/drg-20064397

[–]run_mochila 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Every drug has a similar list of side effects. The Prilosec a third of America takes daily has way worse side effects but everyone takes it because the benefits outweigh the risk. But for this, severe side effects are exceedingly rare, as seen via data on billions of worldwide doses administered since discovery. So very very minimal risk. You can make your own choices man. Covid is no fuckin joke so if something with basically no downside had been seen to marginally help, I would be remissed if I didnt use it and potentially prevent life alternating side effects of covid.

Yeah you can overdose on it like everything. A few crazies took the farm shit. TONS of people have real prescriptions and are taking correct dosage. Not random at all.

[+]run_mochila -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It works bro. Sorry to everyone who cant see that.

[–]Bluest_waters 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

oh okay

I guess all the scientists are wrong and "it works bro" is proof enough

alrighty then

[+]NeoMarethyu -24 points-23 points-22 points 3 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

There are people in this thread defending ivermectin as the true cure for COVID, if anyone wanted a clearer picture of how deeply poisoned the discourse about "men's rights" has become by far right pundits there you have it.

Most of the people here couldn't give less of a shit about actually improving men's standing in areas where they are actually disadvantaged, like not being allowed to express their emotions freely or being forced to fulfill traditionally masculine roles exclusively.

I would bet most of the people usually featured here would call those things "radical wokeism gone too far" and ridicule any who argued for those.

Any hope this subreddit ever had of having a positive impact is long gone, it is only a first step in the far right pipeline.

Beware all who enter here for before you lie only the ruins festering with vermin and parasites, run before they get to you like the rest of the gullible souls who wander this shell of a place

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

WTF does any if this have to do Corona virus? Are you drugs?

[–]NeoMarethyu 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I wish I were drugs, I would be incredibly popular.

Also this post has nothing to do with COVID, it is just that someone mentioned ivermectin in a comment and a bunch of people jumped to the defense of the wonder cure that "even the queen took"

[–]omegaphallic -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You can argue whether it works or not, I personally have no experience with it one way or another, but it's not far right, like does right & left mean anything any more? Know leftwinger who believe it and right-wingers that don't, it nkt a left right issue then debates over dark matter or the Quantum Mind, it's science issue.

[–]NeoMarethyu 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It had been proven that it does nothing and it is by far more related to the right than the left, hell the maga president advocated for it loud and proud that should be a red flag.

Also, unrelated question, what do you mean by the quantum mind, I haven't heard about it

[–]omegaphallic -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.popularmechanics.co.za/science/quantum-physics-could-finally-explain-consciousness-scientists-say/

Just a taste of this issue of the quantum mind.

My position on Ivermektin is it's yesterdays issue you folks can fight over it LMFAO. And I'm Canadian Trump isn't my President, he's not popular here.

[–]FruitierGnome -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Proven to do nothing by whom? The pharmaceutical companies who wouldn't profit if it did help?

[–]NeoMarethyu 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh hey a free example of what I was saying, how kind of you sir

[–]FruitierGnome -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Suppose we should just trust the science like the food pyramid and using leeches.

Remember when people were skeptical of pharmaceuticals making billions off the sick?

[–]CervantesX -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No, the scientists who would lose their jobs if they lied, and the federal safety officers who can end up in jail for fraudulent claims.

[–]FruitierGnome 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't lose your job for lying when you have a billions deep pharmaceutical company behind you.

[–]CervantesX 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

Your blade cuts two ways, eh?

Like, sure, let's go 100% in on your theory, let's say an evil company found all the evil scientists and is now ready to be evil.

There's more than one pharma company. And every other one of those big pharma companies would fucking loooove to see one of their competitors push out false data. Because they would immediately go public with it and ruin their competitor.

And yet for all of the internet experts who've said the data is false, not a single giant pharma company has torpedoed the claims. Not one has brought out data to refute it.

Sure it's easy to lie. But it's not possible to fake data and then have nobody on the entire world call you out (with real actual data) crush everything you've ever done.

[+]the_great_zyzogg -11 points-10 points-9 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, this shit happens to a lot of forums focused on men's issues. (Perhaps also on women's issues too, I couldn't answer that one). It's just easier to tear others down than to build ourselves up I guess.

If you or anyone else is interested, /r/menslib is a far less toxic community that I've come to really appreciate.

[–]sakura_drop 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

MensLib is basically a feminist sub masquerading as one for male advocacy. One of the moderators and frequent contributors once apologised to a female rapist for her experience, which is arguably the tip of the iceberg as you can see among the numerous examples here. They saw fit to do an AMA with Chuck Derry, co-founder of Gender Violence Institute and the Minnesota Men's Action Network, who basically believes men cannot be victims of domestic violence and follows the Duluth Model way of thinking to an extreme degree. If you look at MensLib's top posts of all time I'm not seeing the greatest examples of discussions of the most pressing issues men face among the top ten.

I think the subreddit overlap says it all, frankly...

[–]NibblyPig 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well put.

[–]the_great_zyzogg -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Being a feminist sub is only a bad thing if you have the knee-jerk reaction that "feminism = bad". Though feminism has become one of those terms that means 50 different things to 50 different people. So when you call something feminist, people are going to ascribe a ton of different traits to that something that has nothing to do with it. Frankly, I think it's ended up becoming a pretty unhelpful label at this point.

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You're first example here strikes me as a fairly disingenuous criticism. The context makes it clear that the female rapist recognized what she did was wrong, and that alcohol and poor sex-ed were contributing factors. Maybe apologizing for her experience is a bit tactless, but you're description of the apology tacitly paints it as "men can't be raped".

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You're description of the top posts is also inaccurate. I have their top posts in front of me right now. There's a few posts about Roe, but on the whole it's all about men Unless you don't count bi, gay, or tans men as real men, which, glancing through this sub reddit, seems to be the case.

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Unfortunately, I don't have time to go through every link you sent in detail, but from your post, they seem like cherry picked examples. On the whole, the subreddit is about discussing gender roles and how they impact men.

On the whole, I don't think this subreddit has a very healthy view of men and their relationship with women. People here seem to view it as adversarial in nature (like this post here). You may claim otherwise, but this subreddits top of all time speaks for itself I think.

You and I are not likely to agree on this at all, so I don't think I'll continue this further. I'm merely hoping to let anyone else who stumbled across this like I did that a different view exists.

[+]Balages -6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol man, this is literally a bot post and you throwing a tantrum. Like less than 1% people here thinks this is an okay post. Delete this it is so cringe

[–]NeoMarethyu 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It took me less than 10 seconds to find another post complaining about the woke left on here, and there are quite a lot of comments on this post that reek of the "anti-sjw" era of the internet paired with a touch of maga fever, if you want to be in denial of the company you keep then by all means do so.

Also I feel comfortable enough with myself to be proudly cringy every now and then, it is quite relaxing

[–]Balages -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I live in a far right shithole, my pm was a guest in cpac (Viktor Orbán) so I'm not really afraid of right wing trumpists. My country is literally full with them. So I just laugh when people try this guilt by association thing pushed on me (people also try it every time because of my nationality). Hope you learn to how to feel empathy for men somewhere else then, before you hurt someone

[+]Mayzenblue -6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck is this shit? Satire? It's failing.

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