What are the real men's rights issues that are important to you and why?

shit-zen-giggles · 2023-02-04T13:07:27+00:00

education (since it's so fundamental to everything else)
custody / family law (and by extension DV/IPV regulations and services)
inequalities in health care (esp mental health)
gender sentencing gap

Lightning77Plus · 2023-02-04T16:52:53+00:00

While not an MRA myself, these are the subjects that concern me as a man and that have me in this sub:

Fatherhood rights
Discrimination towards men in divorce cases
Male reproductive rights
Sexism in conscription law
The dangers of false rape and similar allegations made against men
The horrid practice of circumcision
Diversity quota hiring that's discriminatory to qualified men
The normalisation of misandry and danger to young boys being raised by misandrists.
The mass sterilization and mutilation of young, gay boys in Western society and the narrative that pushes it
The false narratives of the "wage gap", "toxic masculinity", and "the patriarchy".

I'm sure there's more, but that's what comes to mind immediately. I'd be willing to relent on some of these issues it we could all admit that men and women are intrinsically different, but still EQUAL. We need one another for the aspects we each excel at in order to build a functioning society. But since the narrative has become "Men and Women are the EXACT SAME THING", I'd like some intellectual honesty and equal treatment of both sexes.

RedditJock93 · 2023-02-04T08:55:40+00:00

Male parent rights

Educational_Bet_6606 · 2023-02-04T13:33:01+00:00

How females talk about guys, chase guys, can assault us yet we're the ones accused of such by the public.

Fightdevil · 2023-02-04T09:15:34+00:00

Divorce laws have made it impossible for men to marry. Even cohabitation without children is punished by law against men.

Chaos_Therum · 2023-02-04T15:21:17+00:00

You missed bodily integrity while circumcision has become more rare, it's something that should be out right illegal.

Family court is so heavily biased against men in the US it borders on a human rights violation.

I would argue no fault divorce is a big men's rights issue. Without fault divorce men are stuck in a situation where marriage means nothing but signing your life away to another person with very potentially zero return.

dependency_injector · 2023-02-04T15:03:41+00:00

Conscription. In most countries, specifically men are required by law to serve in the military for some time. It basically means you have to follow someone else's orders about 24/7 in an unhealthy and dangerous environment against your will, just for being male.
Genital mutilation, aka performing an unnecessary traumatic surgery on newborn's genitals that results in significant sensitivity loss. It's illegal if the newborn is female, but for males it is not only tolerated, but often encouraged.
Victim blaming. I've seen people justify the first two (and many others) by saying "men do that to themselves". Yet I haven't seen a newborn performing a complex surgery on his own penis.

pm_me_your_buttbulge · 2023-02-04T17:00:13+00:00

If you had asked me a decade ago I would have put 2 dead last because "who cares what other people think". Now I put it first. I'm seeing the trauma some men walk around with as they aren't allowed to be who they want to be while watching women be what they want to be.

Helpingwithhelp · 2023-02-04T11:52:02+00:00

Could we also say Mens opinion? I feel like our opinion's don’t mean much or nothing much anymore. I feel this especially as a white, straight male with ADHD.

vasjpan02 · 2023-02-04T09:07:09+00:00

equal protection precluded protected classes

GoodThingImNotABot · 2023-02-04T11:22:36+00:00

I think a lot of the other issues would be easier to solve by tackling point nr 2, except maybe discrimination of race. If men weren't ridiculed by portraying traits that are regarded as "feminine" atm, it would probably be easier for victims of violence to report crimes, for the overall population to aid the homeless (u know, because a "real man" shouldn't need help- stigma), and the laws wouldn't be based on the belief that men are less apt parents etc. I'm a feminist, but I really really want to stress that patriarchal norms and systems hit cishet men badly, especially in a mental health perspective, and I think it's awful.

Full-Bluebird385 · 2023-02-04T09:12:38+00:00

The entire family law sphere is an epicentre of discrimination against men. Alimony, child support, custody, domestic violence policing, it's all shockingly biased against men. And women know this which offers them.perverse incentives to game the system to their advantage. Women now initiate the vast majority of divorces because they have a massive financial.incentive to do so. And when they do, the family man is screwed in more ways than one.

ThrowAway___0000000 · 2023-02-04T13:40:39+00:00

Here is one... A TikTok women accused a man of making her uncomfortable and posted that video on TikTok, saying he was starting at her, it made her uncomfortable & her past trauma came back & she kept crying for hours, online.

Now understand the situation very seriously....

A woman can dress whatever she wants

She can excercise in almost underwear type cloths

She can even record him

But a guy needs her permission to see what he wants to see.

The truth is he wasn't stating at her but, let's say for the sake of argument he was starting at her, it's his fucking eyes, do we need permission from these B before we see something, no, it's our body our choice.

She talks about her past or whatever that's her problem, if you are damaged it's your problem, it's your responsibility to fix yourself or stay at home.

Now the bigger point, it's just looking and they are even trying to control thay, not speaking, not protesting, just looking should be approved by women, can you see at what level our problems have come that we can't even look the way we want but they can dance Naked in underwear.

Looking is a basic human activity & it's birthright of every man, if that's being challenged imagine how bad it is for other issues like marriage, dating, divorce, custody, alimony, false accusations and what not.

alamozorusrex · 2023-02-04T14:39:28+00:00

When it comes to men expecting something from a girl who you wish as your partner is sexist, like A women can wish her man to be rich, strong, cute

But when a man expect his partner to be cute, kind, and know how to cook, that is sexist? Kinda hypocrisy innit?

Oxoperplexed · 2023-02-05T00:43:11+00:00

Male genital mutilation

Nice-Neighborhood730 · 2023-02-04T13:50:46+00:00

Wow, have you guys seen this? American men are hotter, and Canadian men are cool.

https://www.quora.com/Whos-hotter-Canadian-guys-or-American-guys?top_ans=188760861

I'm sorry I got distracted.

StrongExplanation394 · 2023-02-04T15:27:12+00:00

Unfair and unequal sentences

Discrimination of gender

Harassment and privacy

Mens abuse & rape

Professional-Put-682 · 2023-02-04T21:04:54+00:00

The Deluth model is extremely dangerous. Many false accusations being believed without proof and only men suffering for it.

Alone_Tension4314 · 2023-02-05T05:52:40+00:00

How if a guy looks at a girl inappropriately (which I don't condone), it's okay to punch them. But when a girl is hitting you, won't back off, and is even telling you to fight back, and you end up hitting them in self defense, people will still find a way to blame you for it.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2023-02-05T06:42:53+00:00

My biggest issue is the treatment of gender-atypical males (those who don't fit the traditional gender role), primarily (but not limited to) those of the nerdy and 'spergy-neuroatypical variety.

My second big issue is simple Equality Under Law (which covers a huge swath of issues from anti-MGM activism to criticism of family courts and often divorce law).

northseaview · 2023-02-04T09:22:37+00:00

Number 3 appears to be convoluted. I would break it down into: Innocent until proven guilty Anonimity for both or neither victim and defendent if the crime is deemed sensitive. Equal sentencing and prosecution standards. Equal treatment and protection from violence and sexual abuse in prison. All laws to be written and applied gender neutral. Presumption of 50/50 parenting in family court.

6->1 criminalise genital cutting of minors.

7->2 a right to equality in education from nursery to university. Reduce exclusion of boys, make education more male supportive. End the bias against boys in marking, the curriculum and entry requirements.

8->5 equal parental rights for fathers as mothers. Maybe automatic paternity testing? The same right to reject parenthood, but same rights and obligations as the mother once parenthood is agreed.

Nice-Neighborhood730 · 2023-02-04T10:25:30+00:00

Could there be a law to protect a man or woman against revenge?

Wouldn't that be fair if either side is guilty. I don't want to sound silly here but I did see the most revengeful stuff pulled off by a woman who did get caught. I keep looking to find this video for you all because her behavior towards her ex-bf is despicable.

hotpotato138 · 2023-02-04T10:21:57+00:00

Same with me.

SwoleFeminist · 2023-02-04T10:24:29+00:00

This bullshit double standard:

https://np.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/10r0g4b/12_year_old_tiktok_prankster_throws_a_dead_snake/j6tsv3o/

Versus:

https://np.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/101ym2z/ufc_president_dana_white_and_his_wife_fighting_in/j2ro8ww/

Nice-Neighborhood730 · 2023-02-04T13:36:03+00:00

We should compare countries too.

https://www.quora.com/Which-is-the-better-place-to-live-Canada-or-the-USA

Where does Canada rank in gender equality?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gender-equality-by-country

Dapper_Platform_1222 · 2023-02-04T14:16:33+00:00

Parental Rights, Equal opportunities in the workplace, Equal punishment under the law.

Miserable_Ad5227 · 2023-02-04T14:37:04+00:00

Education
equal represantation in material and teaching personel
equal support for males in female dominated areas
equal requirements for male and female professorships

equal pay for younger generations of men with women of the same age
stopping the male predator image. I wanna be able to walk by a playground without fear of unfounded accusation.
support for male victims of domestic violence including persecution thereof
proper prosecution of malicious rape accusations

[deleted] · 2023-02-04T15:03:58+00:00

Tighter rules around divorce. So everyone is very clear about who gets what.

I almost feel this should be a condition before marriage.

JJnanajuana · 2023-02-05T00:38:32+00:00

dv/ipv
high suicide rates, and mental health generally
Recognizing rape All because I've had friends effected by these and felt unable to help them.
empathy gap Because it would go a long way towards addressing all the problems
Parental rights Because 1)parenting stuff is just a high prioraty for me generally and 2) totally selfishly because fixing men's parents rights would go a long way to fixing a lot of women's issues (that also applies to DV, more shelters means less murders.)

reddoghustle · 2023-02-05T14:36:14+00:00

Genital mutilation

cl1p5 · 2023-02-05T18:21:25+00:00

Equal rights for women most important issue.

Nice-Neighborhood730 · 2023-02-04T10:15:10+00:00

You guys know what you want, then what's stopping you? Of American men, start your Canadian Brothers will join in. I found out our country is very feminist.

If the walls came down in communist countries. Then you had better be ready to seize the day men.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/03/best-countries-women-s-rights-gender-gap/#:~:text=Iceland%20is%20the%20world's%20best,gaps%20in%20political%20empowerment%20globally.

Title	What are the real men's rights issues that are important to you and why?
Author	Nice-Neighborhood730
Upvotes	79
Comments	71
Date	February 4, 2023 8:52 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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