‘Men’s rights activists’ conspire to cripple college rape reporting system with false reports

2013-12-19T01:01:49+00:00

The anti-misogyny website Man Boobz noted

and with that I stopped reading it.

BioGenx2b · 2013-12-19T02:18:21+00:00

Just saw some Alex dude get completely deleted from the comments section after trying to defend his position for a good while. Straw man all over that place, I felt bad for him.

2013-12-19T17:05:37+00:00

As several Redditors observed, the title of the post was misleading

Nice misleading title, Didn't 4chan already at it when the thread was posted here?

‘Men’s rights activists’ conspire to cripple college rape reporting system with false reports

Nah the media never seeks to mislead people into activism. And sure several people noticed the title wasn't correct but lets sweep that any anything else aside from "MRA bad" under the rug. Did we merge into one person with a team of police like moderator supervising us 24/7, David Furtelle seems to be under the delusion of thinking so and possibly the article "writer" too with those quotes.

fuckeverything_panda · 2013-12-18T23:07:41+00:00

Gotta love how they totally ignore sillymod's removal of it and reasoning for removing it, not to mention the various comments that called people on the crappy behaviour. Wouldn't want facts getting in the way of a beat-up, would we?

funeralbater · 2013-12-19T06:07:56+00:00

So what exactly is the general consensus here? I'm a little confused by the comments on this thread.

Cedru · 2013-12-19T03:22:10+00:00

The anti-misogyny website Man Boobz noted...

This goes to show that there is some panic going on if they are using information found on a site with an insulting name as "Man boobz" to "discredit" men's movement. How could they miss the hypocrisy? This is entertaining.

PortalesoONR · 2013-12-19T02:23:21+00:00

It's as-fucking-tounding that a site with intelectual aspirations cites a site called "manboobz" as a supposedly reputable source.

PeterArching · 2013-12-19T16:04:03+00:00

"WAAAAH WAAAH They broke and abused our system they said was broken and could easily be abused"

darkgatherer · 2013-12-19T01:05:40+00:00

Is 4chan part part of the Men's rights movement now?

PierceHarlan · 2013-12-18T22:13:31+00:00

Gee, I run the leading blog dedicated to exposing false rape claims, I'm very active on this board, and my blog doesn't support that activity.

Anything to blacken the eye of this subreddit!

Here's what I think about the Occidental form: http://www.cotwa.info/2013/12/cotwa-cant-get-excited-about-occidental.html

AryaBarzan · 2013-12-19T02:21:59+00:00

Goddamn MRA's, always lying about rape stats! Feminists never over-exaggerate and/or regurgitate falsified rape statistics.

Ma99ie · 2013-12-18T23:41:52+00:00

It's not even an interesting article. Furthermore, it appears to be based entirely on David Futrelle garbage.

Maslo59 · 2013-12-19T06:15:10+00:00

Good. There is no place for such a Soviet style anonymous accusation system in a normal university, for any crime. Exposing its idiocy by doing what would eventually happen anyway (people spaming it with trolling and false claims) is a rational thing to do. Hasten its death so we minimize its harm.

I am shocked that MRAs here caved in to the SRS screeching and distanced themselves from this activity. I guess its still reddit... At least 4chan is still on the right side.

Eulabeia · 2013-12-19T14:34:51+00:00

It's cute. Feminists for once in their fucking lives pretend to act principled but end up failing completely.

They can't even understand why false accusations are bad. They just see that MRAs did it and use that as an excuse to go on the attack. They don't even want to acknowledge that no one's reputation was tarnished with them and that it was motivated by the intent stop it from ruining real peoples' lives. Ridiculous. Just shows that these assholes really have no moral compass and are tribilistic savages.

2013-12-19T01:15:23+00:00

The anti-misogyny website Man Boobz noted

Should have known SRS was involved in this

bsutansalt · 2013-12-19T12:13:33+00:00

Do. Not. Buckle.

Even with bad press it's still making waves and getting our message out about false accusations. In the future the mods may want to keep a tight leash on such postings, but the genie is out of the bottle on this one.

johntheother · 2013-12-18T22:53:38+00:00

"‘Men’s rights activists’ conspire to cripple college rape reporting system with false reports"

GOOD! Go forward, brothers, and fuck their shit up.

rape is a crime. If somebody has a report to file of being the victim of this crime - file that report with a POLICE ORGANIZATION, not with some jumped up kangaroo court or administrative star chamber. And when operating in an environment where the star-chamber rules - FTSU with the same fraudulent reports they've tuned their system to process against you.

2013-12-18T23:46:23+00:00

Wow, yet another plug for ManSlug! Seriously, how many nom-de-plumes does this guy have?

Ivan_Fackoff · 2013-12-19T01:20:27+00:00

What's the point of reading anything on TrollStory? It's pure misandry.

phySi0 · 2013-12-19T16:33:56+00:00

Let's calm down, take a step back and assess what's happened here!

When I first came across the post, I was upvoting both sides, the ones advocating flooding and the ones saying it's wrong. There are a ~~lot~~ bunch of criticisms of the attack that I'm gonna address.

This is the original post.

Criticism: Many are claiming that to make false accusations when it's the very thing we fight against is hypocritical (not to mention, ironic). Hold on a second.

Response: It's ironic, I'll give you that. However, hold on a second.

Many of the false reports used false names and some were blatantly false ("I was assaulted by Occidental College", "I was assaulted by Fatty McFatfat"?).
We fight against false accusations because they can ruin lives. The whole point of this exercise was to demonstrate just how easy it is for a system like this to be abused. If you're putting in real people, you're doing it wrong. That's like, as one poster somewhere put it (can't find it now), "lighting a chip shop on fire just because you can". Except…
The whole point was to be found out (not personal details, but the fact that it was orchestrated). This would have been useless otherwise.

Criticism: None of the accused were going to be convicted. They were simply going to have a talk with the dean.

Response: This is a joke, right? As mentioned elsewhere, what victim would report their rapist, knowing they get near-zero repercussions and might actually exact vengeance in response? Not to mention, this just invalidates the previous argument (not necessarily your argument, but the argument) that us falsely accusing people is hypocritical. If they aren't convicted and their names aren't published, then our false accusation has no effect. If they are, it would have been 400 bogus claims. Most people would cotton on that it's fake. As mentioned, that was the point. If they didn't know it was false reports, then how the hell have we demonstrated how this can be abused?

Criticism: This would have helped men, since a lot of men are scared of coming forward due to sexist societal attitudes. This anonymous tool could help.

Response: If that's true, by your logic, it would have helped actual raped women too. That's irrelevant. First of all, as mentioned, no, it just makes them open to revenge. If we assume it does help them, that doesn't matter. One of the things we fight against is anonymous reporting of rapes from women against men. It would be supremacy to stop fighting against anonymous reporting of rapes if it all of a sudden started helping men. We don't just fight for equality. Though that is our main goal, most of us here are against anonymous accusations towards men or women, coming from men or women. If you're going to put a name out there, yours should come out too.

NWOslave · 2013-12-19T01:23:19+00:00

I really don't see the problem with bombarding a fraudulent system with fraudulent accusations. It's going to get filled to the brim with false accusations anyway. Every feminist, woman with an axe to grind and militant LGBTer will be filing complaints on a daily basis.

These accusation are going to be used to compile data on prevalence of harassment, assaults and so forth. Anonymous accusations are a leftists best friend. Forget about the 1 in 4 fraudulent statistic, with this new way of gathering data, every woman will be getting raped 4 times apiece in college, and every special interest group will be raped and harassed every day. Welcome to the 1913 gulags.

2013-12-19T07:13:16+00:00

While I do not like the Orwellian denunciation system created by colleges, I truly believe that this was a blunder, that contributed to destroy the reputation of the sub and the MRM, that we achieved nothing and that we should issue some sort of apology+explanation.

EvilPundit · 2013-12-18T22:21:52+00:00

The good thing about this is that the comments on the linked article are open.

AlexReynard · 2013-12-19T04:47:25+00:00

I am one of the people who spammed their system with a fake report.

I'm also someone who supports rape victims and rape victims being able to safely report crimes. That is why I did what I did, because this system is deeply flawed and the college needed to see why.

In essence, the fact that I was able to do what I did is all the proof anyone needs that this system is broken. I'm not an Occidental student. I live thousands of miles away. Yet I had a URL, so I could make a report.

What if I had truly malicious intentions? I made my false report intentionally ridiculous (I implicated the Kool-Aid Man), but I could have just as easily looked up a real faculty member. Or a real student. Or I could have pretended to be several different people, all making different reports against a single student, making it seem as if they'd victimized multiple people. Beginning to see how this site could be problematic?

There's also the matter of the college saying that anyone who's implicated in a report would be "talked to" by the dean. This is fraught with problems too. For starters, if there's a fake accusation, what guarantee does anyone have that other students won't hear about one of their own being called before the dean, and what will the rumor mill do then? Even worse though, in the case of a real accusation, what if the dean gives a real rapist a "talking to" and then lets them go?

I abused this site for the same reason that bug testers break the video games they test: to prove the system can be abused. Occidental should be held accountable for that. At the very least, they could have had something, like a school password, that would have kept literally anyone from accessing the reporting form.

Hate me all you want, but don't let the college off the hook either. I should not have been able to do what I did. It's unacceptable that I was able to.

EDIT: This comment has nine downvotes and not a single reply. Cowards. If I'm wrong, show me where I'm wrong.

Ivan_Fackoff · 2013-12-19T03:48:02+00:00

Well this garbage got to haffypoop

2013-12-18T23:30:44+00:00

Gees ... looks like feministas cant stand their own tactics.

I'm referring to the recent theft of calendars from a mall stand for the 'crime' of promoting misogyny. Those feministas felt it necessary to steal (i.e. BREAK THE LAW) to get their point across ... so MRA's use the same tactic against them. Only MRA's aren't breaking the law ... unless of course False Rape Accusations are illegal for men to make; but legal for women to make.

Oops. Never Mind.

2013-12-19T20:06:23+00:00

I want to point out something.

When Earl Silverman died, I sent an email to every major press outlet, every day for a month. Not once did anyone bother to respond. Very few in the media noticed. There was virtual zero discussion about DV and how it impacts men, let alone how one-sided public funding is.

This has people talking. TYT does a show the next fucking day. It's everywhere. Excuse me if you think it is somehow wrong to stand up for civil rights in a peaceful and ultimately RESPECTFUL way.

What's happening is MRAs are being shamed by idea that rape is despicable. Fine. It is. But what is more despicable is a false allegation. It's better to have 1000 rapists go free than 1 innocent person be jailed- period, end stop. Fuck you.

2013-12-19T06:01:55+00:00

I know it's wrong but I lol'd so hard at the "surely someone has been raped by the dean of woman's studies" and "the president of the United States has raped me" and the other stuff.

Grover-Cleveland · 2013-12-19T03:37:17+00:00

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Title	‘Men’s rights activists’ conspire to cripple college rape reporting system with false reports
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Date	December 18, 2013 10:10 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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