OK. I still don't get it about this place and feminists.

2013-08-30T07:53:32+00:00

Painting the MRM as a misogynistic hate movement. Manboobz for example. But pretty much every feminist blog has an article against MRAs. Jezebel's "Fuck you, men's rights activists" comes to mind.
Opening a subreddit called "againstmensrights".
Perpetuating the wrong idea that men are privileged while women are not. Very successfully so.
Telling the world that false accusations of rape are "a non-issue"

whiskeyjack1 · 2013-08-30T08:38:45+00:00

feminists propagate the idea of a patriarchal society, naming it as the main reason for almost every problem there is. this is false, dumb and illogical. it shifts focus from the actual sources of the problems, makes their solution more unlikely and thus keeps mankind as whole back and society in an unfair, imbalanced state (plutocracy), because the actual perpetrators of oppression can not be identified properly, because the mainstream media is filled with "patriarchal oppression" bullshit. that's why feminism is idiotic and has to be battled.

Kate150 · 2013-08-30T08:54:33+00:00

Seriously?

How about when feminists protested and pulled the fire alarm when men dared to have the audacity to speak about their issues?
Or chanting "this is what men's rights looks like" whenever men try to peacefully listen to a speaker?
How about when they tell men to shut up because... well, because they're men?
How about how they try and paint all men as rapists with their "men can stop rape" campaigns?

Kate150 · 2013-08-30T08:45:10+00:00

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PierceHarlan · 2013-08-30T10:35:02+00:00

The "Dear Colleague" letter, of course: http://www.cotwa.info/2012/05/by-mandating-that-institutions-use-weak.html

http://www.cotwa.info/2012/07/chillingcolleges-ramp-up-to-find-more.html

http://www.cotwa.info/2013/06/the-tide-is-turning-serious-legal.html

http://www.cotwa.info/2012/05/barbaric-it-is-worth-risk-to-punish.html

http://www.cotwa.info/2012/09/univ-of-north-carolina-rides-roughshod.html

http://www.cotwa.info/2013/05/college-student-leader-requiring.html

http://www.cotwa.info/2013/03/self-proclaimed-liberals-cheer-rolling.html

http://www.cotwa.info/2012/11/prof-in-light-of-dear-colleague-letter.html

The effort has received strong feminist backing. It is among the only known instances of a group that self-identifies as "liberal" applauding the rolling back of due process rights.

The effort to make "sexual coercion" a punishable offense (and you need to read the article to understand what "sexual coercion" we are talking about -- it's not having sex by force):http://www.cotwa.info/2012/03/legal-infirmities-to-punishing-sexual.html

The knee jerk insistence that men merely accused of, and not charged with, rape should not be protected by anonymity: http://www.cotwa.info/2013/02/the-case-for-anonymity-for-men-and-boys.html

Nomenimion · 2013-08-30T08:16:08+00:00

This subreddit is loaded with examples. Look around some.

giegerwasright · 2013-08-30T11:03:42+00:00

I've linked this for you before. I'll do it again. This time, actually watch the video. This is a group of feminists protesting a lecture on men's issues.

This link includes the above video plus a bunch more from another lecture on a similar topic where feminists not only harrassed people trying to attend the lecture, but pulled a fire alarm to end it prematurely.

So. Issue #1; They won't even let us congregate to discuss ideas and issues. They actively silence us. They actively shut us down.

Do you even plan to read any of the articles or watch any of the videos posted in this thread or is it just going to be more of your regular "Tee hee, I dunno what you guys are so up in arms about? Da feminis don' do nuffing to youse guize. What are you soooooo upset about?"

You are prime fodder for their boot squad. Completely incapable of intellectual parsing or cognitive processing. It's mind blowing to see how deep that goes for you.

Mytecacc · 2013-08-30T12:42:51+00:00

Covering up abuse and misleading the public and follower feminists for 30 years.

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V71-Straus_Thirty-Years-Denying-Evidence-PV_10.pdf

If you believe the feminist position on domestic violence, you hate men on some level.

Kate150 · 2013-08-30T13:10:38+00:00

Your belief that feminist actions from the 1970s don't currently still affect men living today is ridiculous. VAWA was instituted by feminists in the 80s and is still causing terrible damage to innocent men.

avantvernacular · 2013-08-30T13:27:03+00:00

In addition to what's already been said:

Pushed for the passing of "Mandatory Arrest" and "primary Aggressor" laws which force police officers to arrest men in domestic calls, regardless of evidence or charges. Even men who are being abused are required by law to be arrested.

Successfully shot down the passing of default split custody laws, which would give mothers and fathers a fair standing in child custody cases. N.O.W. Has actually come out and made statements that they will resist any efforts made or proposed by any father's rights groups, regardless of content.

Pushed for the VAWA (successfully) which further shifts government spending on violent crime investigation to focus on women victims (despite 3 of 4 violent crime victims being men). This forces police agencies to redirect resources that would have been used for all violent crimes to focus only on women victims, leaving crimes with non-women victims underfunded.

Edit: I'm not sure why we keep giving you examples. After reading your comments, it's clear your perspective will never alter even a little, you're completely closed to any new information, and no amount of evidence will change that.

Ted8367 · 2013-08-30T11:18:43+00:00

The Agent Orange files originate well within the last ten years.

KRosen333 · 2013-08-30T14:10:15+00:00

Mary P Koss, redefinition of rape under CDC.

Infograph by me.

http://i.imgur.com/40ssAFW.jpg

edit: downvoted this question, OP is obviously badgering and trolling us.

Kate150 · 2013-08-30T08:09:31+00:00

So you don't want something from the 1970's, or 50 years ago, y'know... during the heyday of 2nd wave feminism, which is the feminism that was largely responsible for the radicalisation.... ??

That is an interesting corner you're trying to paint people into.

Kate150 · 2013-08-30T10:05:45+00:00

They have pushed laws that are against the "everybody is equal" thing that most countries have in their Constitutions. Sweden, Spain and Argentina got this kind of laws, where anything a man does to a woman is automatically more severe than if it was the other way around.

There are lots of "Government Advisers" who come from radical feminism branches. In the documentary "Könskriget", about Swedish Gender Wars, you can see all these advisers at work, including threatening the female reporter who is doing the documentary while they thought the mic was off. Link. These people are influential and it's scary.

cobysan · 2013-08-30T12:49:33+00:00

I'm 99.9999999% sure that kate150 made this same thread here about two weeks ago. We provided answers and sources to all of our info and she just said, "I'll look at that later" and never responded. If it wasn't kate150 it was kate something, that I know. I'm starting to think that kate150 is just a troll or a secret misandrist.

Eulabeia · 2013-08-30T18:11:51+00:00

From Mary Koss, an influential feminist writer and adviser for the CDC on rape stats:

We acknowledge the inappropriateness of female verbal coercion and the legitimacy of male perceptions that they have had unwanted sex. Although men may sometimes sexually penetrate women when ambivalent about their own desires, these acts fail to meet legal definitions of rape that are based on penetration of the body of the victim. Furthermore, the data indicate that men’s experiences of pressured sex are qualitatively different from women’s experiences of rape. Specifically, the acts experienced by men lacked the level of force and psychologically distressing impact that women reported. (Struckman-Johnson, 1988; Struckman-Johnson & Struckman-Johnson, 1994).

We worked diligently to develop item wording that captured men’s sense of pressure to have sex and draw their responses into an appropriate category of coercion instead of to rape items. The revised wording is discussed in more detail later in the article.

tl;dr "when men get raped, it's different and doesn't count"

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Pete614 · 2013-08-30T14:16:12+00:00

It's not what they do, it's what they don't do that's the problem. They claim to fight for equality but in reality they only speak up if it's women being discriminated against. Their silence in the opposite direction is deafening.

johnmarkley · 2013-08-31T02:47:30+00:00

Feminists in India successfully lobbied to prevent female-perpetrated rape from being recognized and prosecuted as rape under Indian law. That was less than a year ago.

Kate150 · 2013-08-30T15:03:45+00:00

So pleased to see you all have such commitment to freedom of speech!

Kate150 · 2013-08-30T08:08:44+00:00

Ok- I can find lots of anti woman blogs written by men. I don't think that's what all men think, or that they are representative of the men's movement. Your last two points. Could you give some specifics? Where feminists have done these things? Because it's difficult to address such generalised statements.

Title	OK. I still don't get it about this place and feminists.
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