Stealthing to be classified as rape. No word on lying about birth control or poking holes in condoms.

my_name_is_gato · 2017-10-09T20:38:36+00:00

Cool. Let them.

In their letter, Khanna and Maloney wrote that victims of stealthing can suffer from unplanned pregnancies, STDs and mental and emotional trauma.

With exception of the STD angle, the rest of those reasons apply equally to women who purposefully trick men into pregnancies. So let them pass this, then let the law be used to punish women who pull the same nonsense.

Plus, stealthing really is a shitty thing to do, so it's not as if classifying it as sexual assault impacts anyone doing the right thing to begin with.

TheDongerNeedsFood · 2017-10-10T14:20:30+00:00

Do I believe that stealthing should be classified as rape? Absolutely.

However, this brings us to two points:

If stealthing is rape, then as the OP states, so are lying about birth control and poking holes in condoms.
I guarantee you that women secretly going off their birth control or messing with condoms happen MUCH, MUCH more than men taking the condom off without telling the woman. Yet its stealthing that the media treats as the much bigger deal.

letsgetfunkymonkey · 2017-10-09T23:02:15+00:00

Don't get me wrong, if you do this you're a jackass and you deserve to get into trouble.

But how common is this? I've seen it discussed a lot online and women say, "If a guy ever did this to me, I'd kick his ass." No one ever says, "I had this happen to me, it was terrible."

I'm interested in the frequency because men are often taunted for being nervous about women lying about birth control despite the fact that it "never happens." People even call them paranoid for worrying about it.

It would be so easy to write this as a blanket "if you lie about sexual protection of any kind it's sexual assault or rape." Instead, they just go right to stealthing.

letsgetrandy · 2017-10-10T15:04:44+00:00

Stealthing is a dick move, but I think classifying it as rape is going a bit too far.

Should a person be added to a sex offender registry for such a thing? I don't think so. And what happens if the condom breaks but the woman accuses him of intentionally removing it?

dumpster_arsonist · 2017-10-10T17:18:09+00:00

The fist time I ever had unprotected sex with my then girlfriend, the difference was so noticeable she came within seconds. Same with my wife. I've only had unprotected sex with 4 people and the difference was so absolutely night and day for all of them that its difficult for me to imagine that this is as common of a practice as it is being made out to be.

As far as the law goes...I don't really see the issue here. Any guy that removes a condom after they have agreed to use one is not only risking his own safety and security...but putting his partner in jeopardy. I am actually ok with this law as long as they prove intent. Why the fuck would guys do this, though. Seems really rapey and shitty to do to someone you are going to be intimate with.

Rethgil · 2017-10-10T21:04:07+00:00

Urgh this op made such a good point that it makes me feel sickened. Im so fed up with the utter abuse of mens basic humans rights and the double standards where women are privelleged and men punished for the same thing.

2017-10-09T21:48:41+00:00

This is BS. What man is purposely risk 20 years of child support and STDs. Maybe a few nutty guys

What I think is the guy should have bought the medium size instead of the extra large.

That happened to me. I

2017-10-10T04:44:07+00:00

It's worse than that. Women are going to poke holes to claim rape now. Now they have "evidence" for more convictions. As rape kits only determine if sex happened, not rape and is not enough evidence. Did you hear about Maryland where you don't have to show proof of fighting back as evidence anymore? The goal is to take away agency for women.

anubassis · 2017-10-09T21:56:48+00:00

What is stealthing?

dewse · 2017-10-09T22:09:19+00:00

As much as I agree that those things need to be addressed, how would one know that someone poked a hole prior to sex? Sounds like a much harder thing to prove than clearly seeing a missing condom after ejaculation. Same about lying about birth control. I guess you could always require blood tests, not that this would be an easy thing to ask.

ishamesluts · 2017-10-09T23:31:12+00:00

Can anyone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most crimes traditionally prosecuted at the state level? Even rape? Why is this any different?

If you want to make it a law, give jurisdiction to agencies that are equipped to handle rape cases.

Imnotmrabut · 2017-10-10T10:00:13+00:00

Alexandra Brodsky, a recent Yale Law School graduate, coined the term in a paper that was published in the April issue of the Columbia Journal of Gender and Law in which she argued that stealthing “should be treated as a form of sexual assault.”

Milo has never been one to bother with research (After all he did rely upon Alum Bochari to do the heavy lifting and accuarcy stuff) - and his ignornace is shameful as a Pouf. The term "Stealthing" has been about since the 1980's and the claims of it being a recent invention linked to a dodgey sub reddit are pure invention from an incompetant academic seeking sensation.

TrueGrey · 2017-10-10T18:22:00+00:00

I don't understand how this could go through any litigation discussion without someone adding in the obvious: apply this to lying about birth control, too.

It's as close to the exact same thing as it's possible to get, STDs aside, and they're both shitty things to do that should ideally be illegal, but are near-impossible to prove.

n_surf · 2017-10-10T05:24:21+00:00

Reminder: fucking woman is too dangerous. Find something else to do.

Thesauruswrex · 2017-10-10T02:30:28+00:00

Linking to the nazi Milo Yiannopoulos? That's a great way to lose credibility. Couldn't find another source or just like spreading nazi crap around?

Title	Stealthing to be classified as rape. No word on lying about birth control or poking holes in condoms.
Author	PowerToAnnihilate
Upvotes	137
Comments	79
Date	October 9, 2017 8:33 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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