The Trolling Panic Exposed - The Net is Not a Hostile Place for Women

azazelcrowley · 2018-06-14T03:39:05+00:00

I don't doubt that there's a lot of sexist commentary women put up with, it's similar for men. I'm more than happy to talk about that and help them confront it, especially if they are someone who does it for us, but I just can't bring myself to pretend it's as important as institutional or legal discrimination.

The problem is that media presents it as disproportionately something women put up with, whereas the study shows, that's not the case and it's about equal. Are women prepared for this to be yet another issue where mens experience is erased and female supremacy is advanced, until some decades later when feminists will blame patriarchy for men not being covered?

SpareAnimalParts · 2018-06-14T14:32:28+00:00

Why do I get the feeling that a lot of the time when someone says they're a feminist online, any criticism, any discussion that doesn't automatically agree with their viewpoint, and any attempt to disprove their claims is called "trolling"?

GreyTortoise · 2018-06-14T02:21:28+00:00

The net is a hostile place. You can be buying fifty dildos one second and have your card info stolen to have a thousand dildos bought and shipped to your house the following month.

Joking aside, it has always been a place for hostilities to be encountered and dealt with as a norm. Anonymity is a dangerous thing to provide for an entire community and have it be the standard at all times. If you don't know who you're around, you don't know what's going around.

marcooni1 · 2018-06-14T09:47:51+00:00

"Jess Phillips called for social-media trolls to lose their anonymity online, and told of how she had received 600 rape threats on Twitter in one evening. " One thing always amazes me. When people say that they get hundreds of rape and death threats. How the hell they know that there are hubdreds of them or 600 like Phillips allegedly got? Did she counted them one by one or can you sort them all out by word or she just did 1,2,3,600.

thrway_1000 · 2018-06-14T00:32:31+00:00

They love to claim victimhood.

Archive -- https://archive.is/sZbSK

AloysiusC · 2018-06-14T21:28:10+00:00

My theory on the whole harassment racket is that women are used to being treated significantly better than men. It's been shown that people view treating women equally to men as sexist against women. And when that's all you know, then you don't register it as preferential (privilege blindness is another projection btw.)

But the internet (especially in the early years) is very anonymous. That makes it more egalitarian in a way. So women perceive the internet to be far more hostile than real life because it's equal or just slightly better treatment as opposed to outright preferential treatment. Then they wrongly conclude that it's sexist and hostile toward women.

tetsugakusei · 2018-06-14T03:32:19+00:00

Feminism is Puritanism, hence its easy overlaps with a conservative Prime Minister.

But I do think a lot of women anyway have a rather distorted view of the internet. They arrived late. And by the time they arrived they came for the highly sanitised surface internet of Snapchat and Facebook; Reddit is their scariest extreme experience, where they might have to hear a bad word.

This curated internet life parallels with real lives that are also often highly curated; it's not uncommon for a girl to say she just goes with the flow or to follow her boyfriend's hobbies. What they don't recognise is these party invites they receive all over the place or seemingly random suggestions to "come camping with us" are quite strategic seductions by men to get them in their lives. Life just feels like random fun things that just appear in front of them.

Life for many girls is like playing on Level Easy, so they expect the same for the internet.

William__F0ster · 2018-06-14T19:33:30+00:00

Science Festival

Jess Phillips

Two fucking things that should never, ever, appear in the same fucking sentence.

xNOM · 2018-06-14T19:15:45+00:00

Note to self: Emily Dinsmore. A journalist who actually reports some facts.

girlwriteswhat · 2018-06-15T13:10:57+00:00

Just an FYI to commenters here, the YouTube channel "the glass blind spot" has a BUNCH of in depth videos on this topic (focussing on the UK) that are very good.

Philip8000 · 2018-06-15T18:51:37+00:00

Oh, it's a hostile place for women. It's just that the internet is just as nasty for men, sometimes more so. The internet is just a hostile place, period. There are a lot of assholes and trolls out there, spewing insults and threats because they have nothing better to do with their lives.

hav1t · 2018-06-15T09:38:43+00:00

I would have agreed if the title said, "The Net is Not a Hostile Place".

benbrum · 2018-06-15T15:31:32+00:00

From that Pew study: "Overall, men and women differ modestly in the types of harassment they encounter online. Men are somewhat more likely to be called offensive names (30% vs. 23%) and to receive physical threats online (12% vs. 8%), although other behaviors – like embarrassment, stalking or sustained harassment – show no statistically significant differences by gender. Overall, men are slightly more likely to experience any form of online harassment (44% vs. 37% of women).

Still, sexual harassment is more common among women than among men and is a particular problem for young women. Among adults ages 18 to 29, women are more than twice as likely as men to report experiencing sexual harassment online (21% vs. 9%). And among the youngest adults – those ages 18 to 24 – women are more than three times as likely to be sexually harassed online (20% vs. 6% of men)."

Title	The Trolling Panic Exposed - The Net is Not a Hostile Place for Women
Author	Imnotmrabut
Upvotes	93
Comments	41
Date	June 13, 2018 10:34 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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