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Austrian 'anti-male' discrimination victim gets compensation | Turns out that promoting less-qualified candidates just because they are women is against the law in Austria. Good.

EricAllonde

March 21, 2018
2033 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5522983/Austrian-anti-male-discrimination-victim-gets-compensation.html
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Title Austrian 'anti-male' discrimination victim gets compensation | Turns out that promoting less-qualified candidates just because they are women is against the law in Austria. Good.
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EricAllonde

Upvotes 2033
Comments 52
Date March 21, 2018 2:34 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/85yr0i/austrian_antimale_discrimination_victim_gets/
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[–][deleted] 125 points126 points127 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

too bad this doesn't fly around here (sweden).

many schools have quotas that are nicknamed 'positive discrimination'. for example, in many technical field schools have X spots for whomever the people in charge feel at disadvantage.

it's not uncommon for example that a female student has a technical school as her 3rd or 4th option, so if she fails to get her primary options, she then takes a spot from someone who could have been there and really wanted to go to that school.

to that the people in power just say 'well, he should have studied more'. meanwhile they gave the spot to someone, who wasn't even that interested and may even drop out if they find something better.

[–]perplexedm 44 points45 points46 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Horrible. First I thought why men and women in Sweden tolerate so much bullshit. Then I remembered it will be the same everywhere, if there is no credible opposition.

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points53 points 8 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

the atmosphere here is very tense. for example, the #metoo campaign caused a suicide that's been on all newspapers around here. some theatre leading figure killed himself when he was singled in #metoo campaign.

did he sexually abuse anyone? no.

did he hate women? no.

did he fondle kids? no.

His crime was that he was super passionate director, who was difficult to live with. I bet everyone has heard similar things from Hollywood and about all 'artistic' visionary people.

So, when the #metoo campaign started, he was singled out because he was hated by some actors, who now announced publicly that he was an asshole because they were women and he was a woman hating guy. not true. he was just as demanding to everyone else.

Here's link to the original article, Google translate works pretty well on it. The guy killed himself after that.

https://www.svt.se/kultur/kulturhuset-stadsteatern-vd

What comes to people tolerating what's going on, it's virtually impossible to be against the #metoo campaign around here. it's a bit like saying publicly you oppose immigration. after that the hivemind considers you Hitler himself and there's no way to recover from that. any figure of power will do a political suicide if they say something against #metoo or even suggest men could be victims too.

[–]perplexedm 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Problem is, entire world looks at Sweden's model of women empowerment as a good thing and try to replicate it elsewhere. Even in third world country where they should focus on more important things, women use first world tactics for attention seeking and make it all about themselves.

Sweden changing their ways will be a great thing for men all over the world.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

it's sad to see they're trying to replicate a broken model. in many places the objective has moved on from 'being equal' to 'getting compensation for all those years of oppression'.

this again creates a new generation of men, who grew up being boy in a time where their whole being was assaulted and ridiculed for reasons beyond their control. I'm not surprised at all if we're growing a new generation of men who actively hate women, everything 'equality' etc. we're already seeing young guys posting really sad stories about gross discrimination based on their gender. I guarantee you that does not result in a stable and respectful adult. Respect goes both ways.

[–]perplexedm 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sad truth which any sane person will expect from that given situation. There are isolated tad-well-to-do pockets in poor countries like India where they are trying to pretty much imitate antics in developed western countries. And it is hoarding and wasting air time almost every day. Most men there have turned pansy to this, which is another sad fact.

[–]Shippoyasha 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They always bring up Sweden and never bring up all the social issues that it has brought. They openly practice gender discrimination and we are supposed to believe that is a model to look up to. No wonder all the negative news about it gets suppressed

[–]Raidicus 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Joe Rogan made an interesting observation about people who are SJWs and then find themselves outcast: they end up either dead or like the hunchback of notre dame, hanging around the church hoping to get acceptance from their own tormentors. If they get thrown out of the church, they start banging on the door "let me back in, please! I'll do better next time!"

[–]Havokk 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's unfortunate :-/

[–]EricAllonde[S] 155 points156 points157 points 8 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

The transport minister at the time of the appointment, Doris Bures of the Social Democrats (SPOe), defended the way it was handled and said all the relevant legal procedures had been followed.

The court ruled otherwise.

She said the eventual decision had been taken because of the 'massive under-representation of women'.

'I hope the current decision doesn't call into the question the principle of encouraging the promotion of women,' she said in a statement.

Feminists never learn because they're not acting rationally. They're essentially religious zealots.

[–]Tymalic 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean their perspective is equality of outcome. Most of their rhetoric and policy only address the symptom not the cause. I'd rather we output women onto fields they want and some of those fields like nursing and school teachers need a severe raise just like factory workers and day laborers need a severe raise. Did you guys know that on average factory workers make $9.45/hour? My grandpa made $17/hour in the 70s and 80s as a line worker. He belonged to a union though.

[–]themolestedsliver 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Really? Calling sexism after being caught using by definition sex based discrimination.

And yet she probably says she is for equal rights....

[–][deleted] 8 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

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[–]DagdaEIR 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Which really shows how mental places like /r/atheismplus are

[–]yoshi_win 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dunno who is downvoting you, but for those who don't know, Atheism+ is/was an attempt to force SJW ideology into the atheist community. Most atheists despise these idiots

[–]Cardplay3r 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Christianity brought down Rome? What? I don't even...

[–][deleted] 8 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

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[–]chomponthebit 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting observation. Thanks!

[–]Cardplay3r 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Never heard that before and I doubt it's true - got a reputable source?

Christianity had gotten big in the Eastern Roman Empire (the Byzantium) due to Emperor Constantine's adoption of it.

But in the Western Empire (Rome) it was political infighting, corruption and happenstance, to my admittedly limited knowledge.

Would be happy to be proven wrong though.

[–][deleted] 8 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Cardplay3r 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Bummer, was expecting some evidence offered...

[–][deleted] 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Cardplay3r 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OK but Rome fell in the 5th century, Christianity being but a footnote, nowhere near dominant for any period really.

Are you perhaps confusing it with the Byzantine (Eastern Roman) empire?

[–]reachout_throwaway 31 points32 points33 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Against the law, for now...

[–]ContrasexualWoman 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

An expert evaluation committee had looked at the three candidates, and had concluded that Franzmayr, who at the time was already the head of one of the two sections being merged, was the best candidate for the job.

However, the ministry still refused to accept the ruling and said they were obliged by equality laws to offer the post to a woman.

That's not equality, that's inequality. Equality means picking the best candidate for the position regardless of gender, skin color, sexual orientation, ethnicity, whatever. It doesn't mean throwing meritocracy out the window and promoting someone because they have a vagina.

[–]SoundOfDrums 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's like how people think it's right for colleges to have different standards for admission by race. You don't address the problem there, you do it in the k-12 where people are not given the proper tools to succeed and earn their admission.

[–]ContrasexualWoman 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Precisely, thank you!

[–][deleted] 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Okymyo 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Meritocracy is equality. How can equality be anything other than "the merit of what you do is the only deciding factor"?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not according to feminists. They say it’s oppressive.

[–]waggacuz 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

We need this in Australia.

[–]A_confusedlover 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I read it as australia and was shocked for a moment

[–]ThirdTurnip 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Interesting decision. Is it a victory though? Might it be appealed?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He already got paid. So, thankfully, NOPE.

[–]ThirdTurnip 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah excellent then.

[–]WolfsternDe 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Meanwhile in Germany...only women are allowed to be equality-thingies(dont know, manager? Gleichstellungsbeauftragte is the german term)

[–]Houdiniman111 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Gleichstellungsbeauftragte

I think Google translate does a pretty good job of translating that. Equal Opportunities Officer.

[–]WolfsternDe 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. I didnt even try google, i thought that term and position is so typical german that tgere is not really a translation :D

[–]Stspurg 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Whoa...I find that a lot of German words can be picked apart and translated roughly to English by finding cognates. Maybe I'm missing possible matches, but that doesn't seem to work on this one. Not at all.

[–]sonofsuperman1983 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

About fucking time this pussy pass bollox got challenged. It’s destroying whole industries affecting progress and putting lives at risk. If you want to in competition with men up your game don’t try lowering the general standard. Blowing out other people’s candles just to make your own look brighter is the worst type of competitive behaviour.

[–]doklaan 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

cue the backlash in 5, 4, 3 . . .

[–]perplexedm 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hit the top thread on homepage:

https://np.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/8604id/man_wins_390000_in_gender_discrimination_case/

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Good, the best qualified candidate should always get the job and receive better compensation regardless of their gender.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Im so sick of this "positive discrimination" bullshit. It just shows how the system is still sexist and racist to this day.

The administrators running these things legitimately believe that blacks, latinos, women, and gays are literally less competent than men. From my experience in the non-PC real world this is complete horseshit aside from manual/brawn based labor like construction where most women (and men these days) don't posses the physicality to do that job.

I was recently rejected for a grant, along with several colleagues at my school who display a significant amount of merit and prestige in their work. The person who received the grant was a girl who's work is ultimately mediocre and it's pretty clear she puts in a below-average effort. She was also the only "person of color" who applied for this grant.

Afterwards, everyone involved in the competition as well as people outside the competition pretty much called the bullshit like they saw it. White savior bullshit from the faculty. Perhaps also a little bit of jealousy and resentment toward the more gifted hardworking students and "putting them in their place" so to speak.

Now, I have nothing against the student. This is a great opportunity for her and I hope she cherishes it. However, I have totally lost faith in the faculty of my college. There's a few good gems here, but most of them are identity politicians devoted to holding people back and parading mediocrity.

[–]jp_mra 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In highschool, about 20 years ago, a hispanic student in my class received a 'hispanic students scholarship' paying for most of his college education. He turned it down. He was made to explain himself to the class, and he said basically that "it's racist and unfair." It was then I realized that nearly every scholarship in the US discriminated against white men. When I applied for a top college, I applied as "hispanic." It was a lie, but I got accepted.

[–]why-is-everything 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This has happened to me. I had no legal recourse (Australia) and any attempt to ask why this woman was promoted in front of me was meet with allegations of sexism and inappropriate conduct. Six months later the company manager that authorised the promotion to his department was openly telling investors that he only hired her for her assets (tits). She struggled in that department untill she quit after they refused to support her position. It's just a really fucked up situation. A few days after she quit he has a new girl. This bloke was objectifying women and using them for his amusement and the guise of acting for gender equality. The entire debate and cultural movement is so toxic and infallible that he used it as a cover to keep a steady supply of female teens in his office while being lauded as progressive.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

at my previous job, we had a female VP who went out on maternity leave. the company gave 4 months paid, and she was taking vacation and unpaid to round out 6 months of leave time.

a few months into her leave, her senior VP boss quit, and they promoted one of her male peers into the Senior VP position, and she lost her shit. Suddenly this woman nobody had seen or heard from in months is in the office stirring up shit, having closed door meetings with HR, but screaming so loudly everyone could hear.

She felt SHE should have gotten the promotion, and was claiming she was being discriminated against because she was on maternity leave. She literally wanted to be promoted while she wasn't even working, into a new position that she had no intention of doing for months yet to come. This is how deep the victim complex and sense of entitlement runs for some people.

TL;DR Guy who shows up for work gets promoted, woman who doesn't show up for work is pissed off about it.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So now Austria will need to amend the law to include being female as a trump qualification for any job.

[–][deleted] 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Tikylme 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not historically a huge fan of the Daily Mail, but the more I see the support for us coming from them, and the more I get fed up with the feminist left, the more I think: "Were they ever really that bad? Or was it because I was trying so hard to be a good little leftie in denial that I assumed they were these utterly horrible people. But maybe they're not really"

There remain certain practices in their reporting I dislike, but I no longer dismiss something just because it's from the Daily Mail, and it was close-minded of me to have ever done that.

Whereas with the Guardian I've gone exactly the other way: They used to be a good site with disturbing elements I could turn a blind eye to, now I'm not really interested in them at all, because they consistently flaunt their sexism against men (though I still always read their football coverage which is unfortunately ace).

In any case, I don't think we should disparage honest reporting in favour of our cause, whatever its source.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Keep in mind they still conscript men in Austria.

[–]deadranger -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

G’day mate

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