Vice: All Masculinity Is Toxic. We need to give up manhood for good if we want to live morally sound and love-filled lives

ILikeNeurons · 2018-07-27T22:49:20+00:00

For those too offended by the title to click the link, the article is an interview with the husband of Andrea Dworkin (surprise, surprise), who is intrigued by his notion that all masculinity essentially stems from the cultural oppression of women, and that all healthy parts of men are essentially non-masculine.

So, yeah, it’s pretty much as infuriatingly misandrist as the title suggests.

Fuck Vice for giving this hate speech a platform.

TheMythof_Feminism · 2018-07-27T20:37:06+00:00

"All masculinity is toxic"? without even clicking ... that's auto-fail.

That's not what the word "toxic" means. In simple terms, toxicity is an excess in quantity beyond processing capabilities, displaced location where it cannot be processed or just near-impossible to process substance in the organism (Mercury is a pretty good example of this, given how terrible the human body is at metabolizing it).

Quantity, location and rejection... nothing can be "100% toxic", that wouldn't be toxicity, that would be a poisonous concept, or a caustic concept, not a toxic one.

[Ex: Water is "toxic" to the human body in enough quantity, but it is not caustic. Hydroflouric acid is caustic to the human body, regardless of the quantity, location or "rejection" , it will obstruct, damage or destroy tissue , this is caustic, it is not toxic. This is the difference]

tldr;

SJWs/feminists are morons that don't know what the word "toxic" means. Yeah I get what they're trying to say, my point is they're saying it wrong.

rimper · 2018-07-27T20:36:29+00:00

These kinds of males guarantee me less competition for the attention of women...I fully support their efforts to enforce this agenda.

puppehplicity · 2018-07-27T21:36:10+00:00

This is bullshit, and it's old bullshit. Besides the obvious way this is so anti-men, let me knock his argument out from under him another way that he might actually be receptive to.

The other side of this coin is that femininity is inherently virtuous... which has been used to keep women down. Think about stuff like women not being allowed in public spaces without their father or their husband. And think about when it used to be inconceivable that women could commit crimes because they were obviously gentle and virtuous. Lizzy Borden couldn't possibly be an axe murderer! It is perhaps less glaringly obvious now, but the lie that femininity is inherently more virtuous than masculinity still limits women's liberties and does not hold them accountable as equals when they do something heinous. That's not equality, that's still sexism.

If the author thinks he's being a good feminist by condemning and forsaking masculinity, he's mistaken.

thrway_1000 · 2018-07-27T23:24:56+00:00

Feminism is a hate movement. More proof right here.

Archive -- https://archive.is/jfbZB

2018-07-27T22:59:40+00:00

That article is toxic.

mikesteane · 2018-07-28T01:22:09+00:00

Does Vice think that it is being somehow radical, clever or original by giving voice to a man who is obviously not quite playing with the full deck?

JackFisherBooks · 2018-07-28T14:08:50+00:00

Stolenberg is entitled to his opinion. He's not entitled to be the one who defines masculinity. Honestly, this whole thing comes off as an elaborate bit of trolling. I seriously doubt that he actually believes this stuff about the "toxicity" of masculinity when he lies in bed at night. But he knows he'll get a rise out of people and Vice has become a lot more click-baity lately. So I would take some of his comments with an extra-large grain of salt.

LabTech41 · 2018-07-28T05:48:36+00:00

"In other news, if you could smear yourself in honey and raw fish, then go walking into Bear country, that'd be great too".

EricAllonde · 2018-07-28T06:27:18+00:00

I think guys like this twat and other male feminists who are against manhood/masculinity should prove they are serious by having their testicles surgically removed.

I'm only willing to listen to anything they have to say once they've demonstrated their commitment to their ideas in that way.

2018-07-28T10:07:55+00:00

Oh, my god! It's about Andrea Dworkin's husband! No fucking way am i reading that evil shit!

Jex117 · 2018-07-28T13:46:07+00:00

Stoltenberg was married to Andrea Dworkin

Well no shit he thinks all masculinity is toxic. He was Dworkin's personal lab rat.

Pianofag · 2018-07-27T22:32:40+00:00

I feel that if there is toxic masculinity (Men just being all hardcore and not being at all emotional) then there is toxic femininity, being the opposite (Just excpecting everything handed and catered to you, and breaking down at any disagreement) whicj is what people like this are.

2018-07-27T22:48:37+00:00

Morally sound?

RatioTile723 · 2018-07-28T07:23:49+00:00

At least they've come right out and said it this time.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2018-07-28T12:26:22+00:00

I'm glad they're just admitting it now.

I'm getting tired of the "no no no we just don't like toxic masculinity, but there is good masculinity, we just can't ever define or vaguely describe it".

This is honest. I like it.

Men are toxic. Men are the problem. Men need to be fixed by feminists to become better servants for women.

These are honest feminist sentiments without the bullshit deflections and motte-and-bailey.

OHNOitsNICHOLAS · 2018-07-28T23:41:10+00:00

The article is honestly quite tame and its sad that more men don't understand the message its trying to convey. We're human, we all have emotions, and we need to learn to see each other as equals rather than opposites and understand that tearing down the facade that men and women are inherently different is liberating not demoralizing or destructive. We are all share in the human experience and our preferences and attractions are what make us unique - not what make us men.

nisutapasion · 2018-07-27T22:59:50+00:00

Then your society will fall to the barbarian who do value masculinity.

I'm not even talking about Muslim. The MS-13 will be enough.

Title	Vice: All Masculinity Is Toxic. We need to give up manhood for good if we want to live morally sound and love-filled lives
Author	Egamis
Upvotes	128
Comments	83
Date	July 27, 2018 8:32 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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