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'Traditional masculinity' officially labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Association

Lrellok

May 31, 2019
142 upvotes
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https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-01-traditional-masculinity-american-psychological-association.html
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Title 'Traditional masculinity' officially labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Association
Author

Lrellok

Upvotes 142
Comments 38
Date May 31, 2019 4:45 AM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/bv398t/traditional_masculinity_officially_labeled/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/traditional-masculinity-officially-labeled-harmful.1206536
https://theredarchive.com/post/1206536
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Comments

[–][deleted] 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Halafax 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Society enforces agency on men. There is enormous pressure to succeed and extreme penalties if men don’t.

That pressure causes a lot of problems, but also brings many benefits. Feminists think men are just granted agency by [insert outside force here] because that is how feminists achieve power. They convince authority to give it to them.

Feminists cannot comprehend where agency comes from or the drawbacks that earning it brings. They just bitch at the world with their hands out.

[–]thatMGTOWguy 45 points46 points47 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Goodbye America, we had a great time with you.

[–]PlatothePyro 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No please don't leave us

[–]UncontainedOne 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And thanks for all the fish.

[–]perplexedm 19 points20 points21 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Males and masculinity is a problem, computer gaming is a problem. But, Avogadro genders syndrome is a symptom of progressive cuntition of brave new generation. /s

[–]sonofsuperman1983 16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

“Traditional masculinity” what does that mean. Did these retards at one stage not view homosexuality as a mental illness.

[–]Ashenox 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah they did. Which is funny because all us dudes did in Rome and Greece is bang and drink wine and ignore Women. We created the literal foundations of society with it.

I'm actually currently in a Treatment program for Clinical Depression and Anxiety. We had a big ass discussion about this the other day and not one of the Therapists thought it made any sense.

They're actually super worried it's going to drive up suicide in Men because they're basically saying being Male is a mental illness. They're starting two new Men's groups this coming week to help men address issues that this is eventually going to cause by new Therapists diagnosing Men with being Male.

[–]Grinkell 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well actually they started withdrawing from women and banging each other once they realized the Emperor had no clothes and that the society they had built up was basically one long foreplay session for an imaginary god-woman. Once they saw the foreplay ended with foreplay and there was no payoff for society, they said fuck it and just delved into hedonism until society collapsed and people started building up again. Happened in Germany before WW2, will happen in US sometime soon. Biggest sign is when the men start "becoming women" because they think that doing exactly what women command will lead to having babies. It doesn't, it leads to societal collapse.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Psychology: All men are toxic.

Case in point: men won't come and talk to us about their problems simply because we blame them for all those problems.

[–]mickledick 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. They see all the money they are extracting from transexuals over the course of their lives, but that isn't happening with all the men that don't need counseling, so clearly something is wrong with us as long as we aren't giving the APA money.

[–]Gaki-San 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What's harmful is when this degree of bigotry gets entrenched in a major body that influences government, and thus policy and legislation. Nothing good will come from this, and the effects will be wide spread.

We've already spent almost 40 years dealing with the repercussions of Duluth. I guess we're used to it, but that's not a plus.

[–]NAWALT_VADER 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Systemic misandry.

[–]JoeSchmoe777 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Traditional masculinity saves us from fires. Protects our streets. Builds our infrastructure. Protects our borders. Provides for our families. Mentors our children etc. etc. etc.

This is too much, I’m not holding doors open anymore.

[–]mickledick 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

...but it doesn't put money into the hands of the american psychological association, so IT'S A MENTAL ILLNESS!

[–]DJ-Roukan 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

FUBAR.

[–]ExpendableOne 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As if the APA wasn't enough of a joke already.

[–]SkittlesX9 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Though men benefit from patriarchy, they are also impinged upon by patriarchy"

.... Wow

[–]s1500 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Coming soon: US Military safe spaces

[–]GrisBosque 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just trying to up their couch profits via idiot manginas, created by the single moms they assist in family courts pretending to be neutral.

[–]DubsPackage 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yet I'm sure all of those psychopimps would not hesitate to dial 911 to summon one of these "harmful" men to come save their ass from one of their demented patients, or even a tow truck if they were broken down on the side of the road, or the guys who built their homes and apartments.

And next time you order a refrigerator, I'm certain it will be delivered by 2 woke metrosexuals and not "Bubba and Tyrone."

lol

[–]vermin311 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Notice how they’ve gone from “toxic masculinty” to “traditional masculinity”? Like it’s not just a certain type of masculinity now. It’s the entire basis of anything society traditionally considers masculine.

[–]Mythandros 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I put no stock in this and don't intend on changing. If they want to consider me "toxic" for being a good person, they can fuck right off.

[–]fredlovesyou4free -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

I think it's important to note that they're defining "traditional masculinity" as the suppression of emotions and appearing weak. I think what they're trying to say is that men have feelings too and as a society we should acknowledge that.

[–]VoxVirilis 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I think what they're trying to say is that men have feelings too and as a society we should acknowledge that.

Don't hold your breath, though.

The only reasonably safe place for a man to acknowledge and express his feelings is within the company of a close knit group of fellow men. This post from last week is a great exploration of why that's the case.

[–]fredlovesyou4free 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I think the point is they're trying to change that by using language that will get feminists on side while also changing the definition right under their feet.

[–]bakedpotato486 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But these are new guidelines for psychologists in treating men. Not to change the language people use towards men. Even if it were, this is the wrong direction; Straight out of the guidelines:

When working with boys and men, psychologists can address issues of privilege and power related to sexism in a developmentally appropriate way to help them obtain the knowledge, attitudes, and skills to be effective allies and potentially live less restrictive lives. Male privilege tends to be invisible to men, yet they can become aware of it through a variety of means, such as education and personal experience. Indeed, awareness of privilege and the harmful impacts of beliefs and behaviors that maintain patriarchal power have been shown to reduce sexist attitudes in men and have been linked to participation in social justice activities.

[–]fredlovesyou4free 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm having trouble locating your quote, could you please tell me what page you found it on?

[–]bakedpotato486 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In the APA Guidelines for Psychological Practice with Boys and Men, it's on page labeled 10 (page 14 of the PDF), center column under Application.

[–]fredlovesyou4free 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When working with boys and men, psychologists can address issues of privilege and power related to sexism in a developmentally appropriate way to help them obtain the knowledge, attitudes, and skills to be effective allies and potentially live less restrictive lives. Male privilege tends to be invisible to men, yet they can become aware of it through a variety of means, such as education (Kilmartin, Addis, Mahalik, & O’Neil, 2013) and personal experience (O’Neil, 2015; O’Neil, Egan, Owen, & Murry, 1993). Indeed, awareness of privilege and the harmful impacts of beliefs and behaviors that maintain patriarchal power have been shown to reduce sexist attitudes in men (Becker & Swim, 2012) and have been linked to participation in social justice activities (e.g., White, 2006). When working with gender-diverse survivors of systemic gender oppression, it is important to assess for experiences of trauma and barriers that are enforced in ways that either favor cisgender masculinity or assume a binary identity (Richmond, Burnes, Singh, & Ferrara, 2017). Providers are encouraged to help clients to develop self-advocacy skills and to tap into their personal and collective resilience in addressing these difficult experiences (dickey, Singh, Chang, & Rehrig, 2017). Men who understand their privilege and power may be less apt to rely on power, control, and violence in their relationships (McDermott, Schwartz, & TrevathanMinnis, 2012; Schwartz, Magee, Griffin, & Dupuis, 2004). Research suggests that helping men understand the negative consequences of sexism for themselves and their relationships with others reduces endorsement of sexist attitudes (Becker & Swim, 2012). Psychologists can help clients develop awareness of systems that assume cisgender masculinity expression is the expected norm, and identify how they have been harmed by discrimination against those who are gender nonconforming. Given the connections between sexism and other forms of prejudice, psychologists may find it useful to link oppressions as a pedagogical strategy, especially when working with boys and men in groups. Psychologists working with boys and men may model gender-egalitarian attitudes and behaviors; modeling non-sexist constructions of masculinity may be especially important. For instance, researchers have found that men tend to overestimate the degree to which other men hold sexist beliefs, and that developing awareness of this discrepancy reduces sexist beliefs (Kilmartin et al., 2008). To further help accomplish this goal, psychologists are encouraged to explore their perceptions of boys and men and to understand that, although not all boys and men hold sexist ideologies, these beliefs are ingrained in the culture at large.

This sounds like one of the participants having a personal rant that somehow made it into the final release. It generally does not appear to fit with the overall text of the guideline.

[–]Adanu0 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Got proof?

[–]IlluminationRuminati 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It literally says that in the article. Did you read it?

Citing more than 40 years of research, the APA warns against the "masculinity ideology," which it defines as "a particular constellation of standards that have held sway over large segments of the population, including: anti-femininity, achievement, eschewal of the appearance of weakness, and adventure risk and violence."

“Traditional masculinity ideology has been shown to limit males' psychological development, constrain their behavior, result in gender role strain and gender role conflict and negatively influence mental health and physical health," according to the 36-page report, featured in January's issue of Monitor on Psychology.

Conforming to the norms of the "masculinity ideology" can result in suppressing emotions and masking distress in young boys as well more risk-taking and aggressive behavior and a lack of willingness to seek out help. The report additionally contends this can lead to traits like homophobia and pave the way for sexual harassment, bullying and violence against others and themselves.

[–]Adanu0 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I did not. I thought you were referring to something else, my mistake.

[–]fredlovesyou4free 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Did you down vote me along the way?

[–]Adanu0 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't down vote people unless they're being blatantly ridiculous.

[–]mickledick -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

as well more risk-taking

One of the risk-taking behaviors they cited was "not eating vegetables"

They are grasping at straws with their greedy paws.

[–]bakedpotato486 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Spin. Here's an excerpt from the new guidelines;

When working with boys and men, psychologists can address issues of privilege and power related to sexism in a developmentally appropriate way to help them obtain the knowledge, attitudes, and skills to be effective allies and potentially live less restrictive lives. Male privilege tends to be invisible to men, yet they can become aware of it through a variety of means, such as education and personal experience. Indeed, awareness of privilege and the harmful impacts of beliefs and behaviors that maintain patriarchal power have been shown to reduce sexist attitudes in men and have been linked to participation in social justice activities.

[–]fredlovesyou4free 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It says so in the article.

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