does more female employment benefit men in some subtle ways?

Maephia · 2022-03-15T14:29:24+00:00

I met a LOT of women who believe their money is theirs and your money is theirs too, so while what you say might be true in SOME cases it definitely isnt always.

DanteLivra · 2022-03-15T17:52:33+00:00

You are right that women earning more money can relieve the pressure to provide that we put on men.

However, this will happen if and only if the woman in question puts away that expectation to provide that she is entitled to according to gender norms.

If you go against gender norms, you need to be against all of them otherwise you will just create new problems.

a-man-from-earth · 2022-03-15T15:29:09+00:00

A lot of what I read on men’s rights/advocates pages bemoans female employment because it means women earn more, thus have higher salary expectations for a partner. Also it means less men in jobs.

Honestly, I have never seen that. Where are you reading this? Or is it just a strawman?

MelissaMiranti · 2022-03-15T14:50:24+00:00

On one hand you have to allow people to determine their own path in life. That's the primary reason why women working is good.

On the other hand we should recognize that feminism was used to get more women into the workforce to drive wages down across the board.

RockmanXX · 2022-03-15T21:28:14+00:00

it works for us too I think because it alleviates some of the pressure to provide

That's like saying, culturally normalizing men dolling themselves up with make up&long hair alleviates the pressure for Women to look pretty for Men.

more likely to get bored and needy with nothing to do all day so cause pointless drama with their husband

Disagree, Toxic people just love drama and will create one whenever possible. Just cus someone is bored doesn't mean they're going to become toxic.

Being at a job gives life meaning.

FOR men, you're speaking from an exclusively male perspective. Having a steady job with upward mobility gives Men's life meaning because that's our gender role. That's not the same for Women, women are NOT expected to be providers. Job doesn't give Women their "life meaning", its just something they have to do to survive.

OccultRitualCooking · 2022-03-15T16:29:56+00:00

I have literally never ever heard any man be upset that women can have jobs. Also, women have worked through all of human history, with a couple brief periods of low employment like during the baby boom of 1945-1960.

LettuceBeGrateful · 2022-03-15T22:02:51+00:00

A lot of what I read on men’s rights/advocates pages bemoans female employment because it means women earn more, thus have higher salary expectations for a partner.

Let's just be clear. The issue is the catch-22 surrounding traditional romantic expectations, and not female employment, right? Even most tradcons I've seen don't object to women working.

Algoresball · 2022-03-15T18:32:00+00:00

A major problem is that capitalism has adjusted to feminism by making duel incomes almost a requirement

Throwawayingaccount · 2022-03-15T19:15:49+00:00

If someone is sat at home all day when you’re working, you can’t relate to them.

Chores at home are significant work. Honestly, I could probably relate MORE to someone who spends significant amounts of time doing household chores, than I could someone in a field I have little understanding of. I know some stuff about cleaning/cooking/house maintainance, and can understand those things. I have no fucking clue what goes into oh say, a quality control engineer at a plywood factory.

it alleviates some of the pressure to provide.

I doubt this. Sure, the absolute worst of the pressure, for those who are trying to stave off foreclosure or starvation will be alleviated. But I make enough money to live comfortably. A second income won't really alleviate pressure. However, on the OTHER hand, there are significantly less women in the US willing to date someone who makes less than them, then there are men of like mind.

Being at a job gives life meaning.

That's some real big "work will set you free" energy you've got going there.

BloomingBrains · 2022-03-15T23:49:40+00:00

it works for us too I think because it alleviates some of the pressure to provide.

Very true. In a perfect world, the discussion would end there. However, that is not what happens. The unfortunate side effect is that many women still want to date "up" the social ladder (men that have better jobs, more educated, make more money, etc. than them). So roughly speaking, this logically means the pool of "dateable men" drastically decreases the more gender equality we have. In a way you could say that men in the 1950's had it better because as long as they had a stable, average job, they would be able to get respect/attention from most women. Even if that "respect" was tied to a strict male provider role that came with its own downsides.

Of course, I'd argue that wage parity is still a good thing, since that problem doesn't arise from wage parity in itself, but rather from the hypergamous female instincts themselves. In my opinion, that's what MRA's should be talking about. Because hypergamy is just not compatible with our idea of a modern, liberated woman. Its an antiquated, maladaptive artifact of times where women were forced by nature to have those instincts for survival. Both sexes would actually benefit from eliminating it from our culture.

Heisenburg-UP · 2022-03-16T02:54:29+00:00

I actually loved this post! I would look at a lot of these statistics like women being employed in greater numbers than man as a fun challenge. Don’t be hateful or spiteful just go work super hard. Be the best you can be and all these good things will come and everyone in your work place will respect you and look to you as a leader. Even if they make more than you.

Arguesovereverythin · 2022-03-15T14:32:19+00:00

gay men are giving you the side eye.

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