“The Wall” - can it be avoided?

LookingForEquanimity · 2023-04-13T13:04:21+00:00

Yes. It is obviously possible to age more gracefully with good habits. Someone who exercises, drinks lots of water and healthy foods, cuts out or significantly cuts down on alcohol consumption, wears sunscreen on face every day, washes make up off etc etc will obviously age better than someone who parties constantly, doesn’t exercise, eats crap and doesn’t take care of their skin.

Genetics obviously play a part but you can still influence with a healthy lifestyle.

This may be controversial for me to say on this subreddit but honestly the older I’ve gotten the more I think “the wall” as it applies to women is kind of bs. Yes, if you want kids and marriage you should prioritize this and if you find someone who you are compatible with you’d be a dummy to turn that down for the sake of “partying” but you should absolutely not settle with someone who isn’t good to you and that you don’t really like for fear that you’ll turn to ash and be ugly at 30. I say this as someone who lives in a major city in North America and the amount of beautiful “older” women I see everyday is astounding. I know there’s this narrative men age better than woman but I personally have not witnessed this. Think part of this “wall” concept was created by men to scare women’s into settling.

Pls don’t ban me ! I love this sub.

jewelsuwu · 2023-04-13T14:11:58+00:00

It's an arbitrary concept. It happens but only to people who are surrounded by people that just care about people's appearance and have a very specific taste for younger women. Some older women are very attractive and not always because they've frozen their faces with creams and Botox to stay younger longer, or their "good genetics" makes their faces smooth, it's because they have acquired a grace from the years of experience. They can have wrinkles and un-fit bodies yet people might gravitate towards them because of their confidence. There will always be people will see someone who isn't a fresh faced 18 year old with a 90-60-90 figure and will start wretching and puking in a corner because that all they have learnt to appreciate from people, all the fleeting features. And it's a real thing, don't get me wrong, you will be mistreated for being considered unattractive by the mainstream for example, and it will be harder to date and keep a partner (if they're just like everyone else) the more you deviate from the canons of beauty (age will take away some features inevitably) but it's not all there is to life, and people don't HAVE to be that way, it's just one of those society things everyone seems to walk like a sheep towards.

Mommy_Koala · 2023-04-13T13:53:53+00:00

I’ll admit I don’t fully understand the concept of “the wall” and I don’t think I want to. As someone who’s knocking on 40 this year and stopped getting carded long ago, let me tell you, it can’t be avoided. What you can do is take care of your body and skin to mitigate the damage as much as possible.

Sunscreen everyday, moisturize, tretinoin (not in that order). Botox and filler are tricky, it’s really easy to go overboard, especially when all your friends are the same age and look like Real Housewives. I’ve done botox since my early 30’s and really like it, I have zero lines on my face, and no, I don’t look frozen. I’ve played around with a little bit of filler the past year to replace some volume loss around my cheekbones. Filler gets dicey when you try to add volume that was never there, like lip filler. I think lip filler always looks fake and i’ve never met a man who likes it.

What ages women the most in my opinion is not dressing appropriately for your age. It looks like you’re trying too hard when you’re 40 and wearing super trendy clothes. My husband and I have made a game of pointing out “instagram girl” style when we see it in public. It’s everywhere, they all look the same, and i’ve seen girls from 13-33 wearing it. I appreciate now more than ever women who cultivate their own individual style and wear it confidently. Just because something is trendy doesn’t mean it looks good, there’s a reason we left some of this fashion behind in the 90’s. Well fitting clothes in styles that flatter your body type is seriously half the battle.

I’m sure you knew all these things already. In the past couple of years i’ve found some sort of grim acceptance that I can do all this stuff and father time will still come for me. I know i’m never going to look 25 again. The best I can do is look like a nice 40 year old and scream into the void while watching my husband slowly turn into a silver fox.

LateralThinker13 · 2023-04-13T13:00:44+00:00

It can be delayed.

It can be hit softly.

But ALL women hit the wall. Yes, some women age extremely gracefully. Some actresses look good into their fifties.

Example? Jennifer Connelly, who looked good (for her age) in Top Gun Maverick.

But note all of the ones who do not. Those who claw tooth and nail at beauty, only to drive it further away. Madonna comes to mind.

And nobody finds Judy Dench hot. She's a classy lady, make no mistake, but she's not a sex icon.

I know your “average” individual in the west eats garbage, drinks excessive amounts alcohol and barely exercises. So is it possible to age more gracefully with good habits? Or is it more down to genetics?

I would argue that part of it is good genetics. But I'd also argue that most women don't do everything they can to look good; to let what genetics they DO have express themselves best. Easily more than half of the women who peak at 20, aren't doing the work (diet and exercise) to keep themselves as attractive as they can be. For those women, they put on the Freshman 10, and just go downhill from there.

So yeah, you can do a lot to delay The Wall. But it comes for all women. Not taking care of yourself just hurries it along.

Such_Beginning_1629 · 2023-04-13T13:18:41+00:00

Ok, maybe I am very much mistaken but the symbol of a solid Wall just does not work for me. To me it is like a Cloak making us less and less visible to men. Maybe even a sign to avoid us. But it comes slowly and some manage to still be seen and appreciated with it.

Scabondari · 2023-04-13T14:33:19+00:00

It can't be avoided altogether imo but there's lots you can do as others mentioned like healthy eating habits, cutting out alcohol...etc

For those who've never been in amazing shape if you put in the work to get your body fat % reasonably low and have a solid workout routine to sculpt the right areas you might find you get more attention than you did in your younger days

Most are unwilling to do this work so take advantage of that and set yourself apart from the crowd

32vromeo · 2023-04-13T14:54:01+00:00

Tbh no I don’t think it can be avoided. However. I think the goal is to put yourself in position where it doesn’t matter. In other words, what’s the point in caring about “the wall” when you’re happily married

CapitalG888 · 2023-04-13T15:34:47+00:00

Genetics are #1. This you can't change.

What you can do to help is diet, exercise, minimize stress, minimize drugs and alcohol.

lady_marm · 2023-04-13T14:33:59+00:00

I think The Wall is subjective. I'm only 23, but I know a lot of "older" women. My mom is nearly 50 and I think she's beautiful. My dad (obviously) agrees, but I have also heard other men comment on my mom's looks and how she is attractive. On the flip side, I've met 30-somethings who are already aging poorly. I think it mostly boils down to lifestyle, environment, and genetics. People who live a harder or more rambunctious lifestyle tend to not age well, while people who take care of themselves fair better.

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Title: “The Wall” - can it be avoided?

Full text: I understand the concept of the wall and i often notice it happen to women around me. However there seem to be some women who are still attractive as they age. I know your “average” individual in the west eats garbage, drinks excessive amounts alcohol and barely exercises. So is it possible to age more gracefully with good habits? Or is it more down to genetics?

Is anyone else worried about the wall and becoming unattractive to their husband? There’s nothing that scares me more…

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