Why does society hate defeatism/ people calling themselves low value males?

ImOverIt06 · 2023-09-02T17:33:16+00:00

Because society has begun to think like women think so if a guy is looking at reality objectively they see it as emotional.

So when you say it they think you're complaining they always say that right. They don't understand men understand where we are at for the most part but just want to fuck around and talk about it while we cope with life. No one here is doing nothing. Everyone has something going on.

So women and feminized men come and say oh you're complaining you're so pathetic blah blah blah.

At best you can say dudes in these areas over indulge in self resentment or resentment towards the systems but that's not exactly true and why there is such a high turnover, sometimes dudes just need to take an honest look at where they are at and work from there.

Women couldn't imagine that. And it makes white knights insecure because they know they are shit too but don't have the balls to admit it.

lostatlifecoach · 2023-09-02T19:02:26+00:00

It's that they hate the low value males existing to begin with. It's only been a couple hundred years since they stated letting men of lower social status into the same spaces as the upper crust. It angers them every time they are reminded you are alive and visible.

rolurk · 2023-09-02T18:02:13+00:00

I agree. I can see people being angry at those who hate other groups of people and blame said group for their own problems.

But for those who who clearly hate themselves and see themselves as worthless trash, who is being harmed?

Even more to the point, what is being brutally harsh and mean to such people is going to achieve?

mewbestpokeman · 2023-09-02T18:28:31+00:00

Because the influence of religion has declined and the "w*men good men bad" cult has taken advantage of this power vacuum to establish itself as the dominant religion.

Cyrrow · 2023-09-03T03:45:29+00:00

Society doesn't want to hear men complain. See various posts on r/askmen where men say they never show their true insecurities. We know nobody cares about us. Remember that meme about 41% of women are homeless statistics? What about the 59% of homeless men?

Crafty-Interest1336 · 2023-09-02T20:54:08+00:00

They need their redpill workers who think just making enough money can keep you in the game

coldhazel · 2023-09-03T08:22:42+00:00

There’s two things going on here.

One, people upset about “defeatism” are talking to you but really they're stating their opinion in order to reinforce their beliefs to themselves. Some people need to believe they are in control and defeatism challenges that.

Two, men complaining is universally unattractive. Complaining is a behavior for women and children to illicit help from men. A man doing it is a man acting like a child or a woman. Throughout human history, it made sense for strong men to be selected for by everyone in a tribe. A man acting like a needy child/woman is not something you want to pass on genes in a tribe dealing with a harsh environment.

Petrosmine · 2023-09-02T20:11:31+00:00

it reminds them of their situation and snaps them back to reality, which they hate

InvestigatorGreat846 · 2023-09-03T08:07:35+00:00

People hate it because you may drop out of society die to being low value and people want you to be a wage slave and future cannon fodder. They also don't like admitting to themselves that they are also low value.

Generally_Confused1 · 2023-09-02T18:57:54+00:00

Because "low/ high value" is a bunch of bullshit you hear on podcasts trying to trick you into giving them money so you "do better in dating". There are a lot of metrics for it and you can be of lower and higher value with things but ultimately the only person that gives you value and determines it is yourself. Personally, I find someone with compassion and insightful intelligence higher valued than most.

ExplorerFeisty2631 · 2023-09-03T10:36:54+00:00

Its not that people try everything and still fail

The problem is that most people who call themselves low value or similar often never even tried - or tried in the wrong way

Like not even showing up for a race, or signing up for a bike race when youre on foot

Thats what defeatism is, not even wanting to try

Incendas1 · 2023-09-02T21:06:19+00:00

People hate defeatism because most who are expressing it want constant reassurance from others (whether positive or "negative").

It is annoying when someone latches onto you like this. Attempts to help them are met with more defeatism, so at some point you'll lose your patience.

I think it's uncontroversial to say "being around utterly negative people isn't fun."

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2023-09-02T18:23:22+00:00

Because men that consider themselves low value trash can't help but go on a crusade against anyone that doesn't consider themselves ti be low value trash. Consider yourself to be one all you want as long as you're not being a dick to the men that a trying to self improve.

Safinated · 2023-09-02T19:22:14+00:00

Whining, negativity and self pity is not attractive or enjoyable to be around, regardless of topic

SodaCanWithFeet · 2023-09-03T01:34:04+00:00

Society doesn’t care. Has society ever told you to stop?

People on the internet see your little pity party for what it is: a cry for attention. Some people indulge you, but that doesn’t mean society cares.

Jesus Christ, get over yourself.

ItsAroundYou · 2023-09-05T16:01:28+00:00

What you need to ask yourself is this: What is value in a man? Who determines that?

If you've been on this sub for a while, you might think value is money, sexy bones, arrogance, whatever. And for some people, that's what value is to them.

But value is subjective, and everyone's opinion on a high-value or low-value person varies, depending on who you ask. Me, personally, a person I'd consider "high-value" is someone who I can bond with over shared experience, someone who I can confide in emotionally, or someone who partakes in the same hobbies as me.

Of course, I can't speak for anyone else. Some people really do gauge your value on shallow stuff like money and looks. And you'll have to ask yourself: are these really the types of people I want to spend my time with?

Suppose you were a convential "Chad". Suppose you did have money, cars, the skeleton of your dreams, I dunno. Suppose you did have a dream harem, and suppose that you really were exploiting the blackpill to your best power.

If you were in, say, some freak accident that utterly wiped out your finances and ruined your face beyond repair, do you think the women you've attracted would leave you right then and there? And if they did, are they really the types of women you'd want in your life?

Title	Why does society hate defeatism/ people calling themselves low value males?
Author	malesareobjects
Upvotes	18
Comments	86
Date	September 2, 2023 5:24 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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