Hunter Gatherers

YaBoiABigToe · 2023-10-20T12:43:17+00:00

The only sources I’ve seen similar to what you’re describing state that more women hunted than we initially thought, not that women primarily hunted.

On average men would have more availability to hunt more often than women due to pregnancy, but our ancestors lived in small nomadic groups of around 70-150ish. We didn’t have a lot of spare hands to help with child rearing, hunting and foraging for food. Everyone helped raise kids, everyone helped forage and everyone with the ability to helped with hunting.

You aren’t going to write off half of your group when it comes to such an important task as hunting. You’re gonna take who you can get or you’re gonna starve.

SparkleCharm · 2023-10-20T11:09:10+00:00

There is evidence suggesting that the earliest species resembling humans were only gatherers and not hunters. There is little evidence to indicate that humans frequently engaged in hunting as their primary food source, even during their early days as hunters in various parts of the world.

Women indeed hunted as well, It is factually true. I don't think that anyone tries to seriously claim that women hunted more often than men in most parts of the globe, such an assertion wouldn't make any logical sense.

I don’t know how you can claim men didn’t evolve for hunting or atleast some form of violence when we statistically are stronger, faster, and less prone to sickness.

Humans are actually quite physically weak compared to other primates and other animals. We are no gorillas. Humans evolved for tool usage and to have a more powerful brain. Sexual dimorphism observed in men and women cannot be solely attributed to hunting. Different reasons for this include: mate selection, reproductive strategies, and physical competition among males could contribute to sexual dimorphism. Female mate choice may favor males with certain physical attributes that indicate genetic fitness, which could lead to the development of exaggerated traits in males over time. For example, broad shoulders or a strong physique in males could imply strength, agility, and the ability to provide and protect.

Embarrassed_Curve769 · 2023-10-19T18:45:37+00:00

No, there isn't. Men didn't evolve to have higher testosterone, large muscle mass, and proclivity for taking risks by laying about.

Also, any tribal society had to be extremely careful to protect the lives of its women more than men as losing a big chunk of the former was an inevitable population bottleneck.

another-cosplaytriot · 2023-10-20T07:59:53+00:00

It's just more revisionist history. There's been a fair amount of this bullshit recently: Black Cleopatra, black UK historical figures. It's the next step in your groupthink re-education, citizen.

Avoid wrongthink!

plumberack · 2023-10-19T20:06:18+00:00

Exception doesn't make the general rule. Feminists always follow exceptions and generalise it for the entire demography.

plivko · 2023-10-19T20:35:48+00:00

Hunting is dangerous and women were either pregnant or with small children. Division of labour is the only logical thing to do, men go hunting large animals and the women forage, hunt little animals or go fishing. All activities that can be done with a toddler or baby on the back. The sun bushmen in Africa, one of the last hunter gatherers work in that way.

Individual-Reading-6 · 2023-10-19T18:53:50+00:00

A lot of these studies have gender bias, most of them are inaccurate.

LouisdeRouvroy · 2023-10-20T01:25:36+00:00

All these claims are based on rare occasions where some women may have done some small game trapping or when some tombs have some hunting weapons with a female.

But if there's something remarkable about humans is how big game hunting has been strictly a male role everywhere. In no primitive society women hunt. They may trap small animals but no tracking animals.

It's not difficult to understand why: hunting requires absolute mobility. As soon as she's pregnant or has a child, a woman isn't anymore.

OldEgalitarianMRA · 2023-10-19T18:54:00+00:00

It seems like a trend in peer reviewed literature that women are and were very involved in hunting in hunter gatherer societies.

Here is a peer reviewed article on current societies:

Results
Data were compiled from literature on sixty-three different foraging societies across the globe. These included nineteen different foraging societies from North America, six from South America, twelve from Africa, fifteen from Australia, five from Asia and six from the Oceanic region (Fig 1 & Table 1). Of the 63 different foraging societies, 50 (79%) of the groups had documentation on women hunting. Of the 50 societies that had documentation on women hunting, 41 societies had data on whether women hunting was intentional or opportunistic. Of the latter, 36 (87%) of the foraging societies described women’s hunting as intentional, as opposed to the 5 (12%) societies that described hunting as opportunistic. In societies where hunting is considered the most important subsistence activity, women actively participated in hunting 100% of the time.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0287101

imperator285 · 2023-10-19T20:59:23+00:00

To see how hunter-gatherers lived back then, just look at how hunter-gatherers live today. Simple.

lumpynose · 2023-10-20T03:07:46+00:00

Or is it just an attempt to rewrite the narratives about gender roles and perceived strength?

That is it, plain and simple.

Vilokys · 2023-10-19T18:48:17+00:00

We are determined by genetic, environnemental and social factors. They are not mutally exclusive. A genetic trait can be influence by environnemental and social factors. A genetic trait is NOT always a good thing (like genetic diseases).

Therefore, I much prefer to argue that yes we are different and for different reasons.However, that isn't ground to justify discrimination.

walterwallcarpet · 2023-10-20T09:07:09+00:00

A pregnant woman isn't going to hunt much. Most women in hunter/gatherer societies were constantly pregnant or weaning. Men and women can survive on vegan diets, but a pregnant woman can't bring a pregnancy to term in the absence of Vitamin B12. They require meat. So, the most successful hunters gained a sexual reward. The women didn't care who was giving them the meat (so to speak), as long as they got what they were after.

What's changed, really?

LongDongSamspon · 2023-10-20T11:57:13+00:00

It’s made up. Look at the people making the “discoveries”, read their bios and areas of study and you will see they have a bias and find what they want to find.

That’s not to say women can’t hunt anything but from all we know about first contact with undiscovered tribes in colonial times they were very very far from egalitarian in anything.

AlternativeIcy1183 · 2023-10-19T21:14:16+00:00

Its well known in Anthropology that both men and women have hunted. Hunter and gatherer societies before the agricultural revolution where more egalitarian.

Title	Hunter Gatherers
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Date	October 19, 2023 6:32 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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