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[–]Input_output_error 73 points74 points75 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
People who spout this always have a hard time understanding the difference between 'being scared' and 'being in danger'.
It really baffles me that these people do not understand that their emotions and feelings are a them problem. It isn't the fault of these 'men' that she doesn't feel safe. It is her own mind that has these fucked up idea's of what these men could do to her that makes her feel that way. 'Men' aren't responsible for her fantasies, all those fucked up things she's thinking is 100% her.
[–]YetAgain67 39 points40 points41 points 2 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Perfectly succinct.
I'm actually genuinely empathetic to women being brainwashed to fear the outside world to such an extent. Women are taught to internalize the world (men) as an ever-present existential threat to their being simply because they're women. Can't be good on the psyche.
And naturally the flip side of this is men internalizing feeling like monsters and threats by virtue of their gender. Also not good on the psyche....
The difference is, sadly, her fear is validated and supported.
But him feeling like a monster just for existing? Pfffffft!? He should!
Nobody gives a fuck. They'll either congratulate you for being "aware" of women's feelings or tell you too, in the ultimate irony, man up.
[–]Input_output_error 21 points22 points23 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh absolutely, it's fucked up from all sides. I think a rather big difference though is that being told that someone is scary doesn't scar you nearly as much as being told that you're the scary one.
[–]panther455 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
currently going through suicidal episodes because of this exact thing, I was raised in an extremely toxic climate around 13 years ago that i still havent recovered from. i still hate what i am and wish i was born female every single day that im unsuccessful in distracting myself from it and how alone i feel.
but hey, good thing im also terrified of death and afraid of pain, so i can't kill myself and i cant even self harm, so all i do is whine and complain about my extreme loneliness and self hate while my body is killing itself from all of the cortisol and general lack of upkeep and healthy decisions because of all of the mental illness.
but im sure im just a unique case anyways, and hey, there's always therapy, with all of the great healthcare and how much time i have to actually heal with all of the work i have to do to survive... and everyone tells me any number of things to dismiss my problems and have done so my entire life so i really should get the hint by now.
i just want a life worth living...
[–]christina_murray_[S] 29 points30 points31 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes- feeling safe and being safe are two totally different things
[–]LeftcelInflitrator 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Especially considering that violent crime is at all time lows.
[–]Kinexity 27 points28 points29 points 2 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
And? I am a man and while I do not give in to this degree of paranoia and do you think I always feel safe? I don't but I also can use some spare brain power to assess whether the danger was real at all (it never was). It's quite funny how the same type of people frowns upon "genderisation of traits/roles" and at the same time just automatically assume that only a woman can be afraid to walk alone.
[–]The_Dapper_Balrog 17 points18 points19 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean, as a guy, I've done most of these things, too. What kind of logic is that?
[–]Skirt_Douglas 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I guess I am A woman, because I too worry that bad neighborhoods are in fact bad.
[–]thereslcjg2000 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a guy, I’ve done all but two points on this list. People are scared sometimes, sometimes it’s justified, sometimes it isn’t. This is a part of life.
[–]AnFGhoster 25 points26 points27 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Congratulations on your newfound masculinity OP. Your new penis will arrive shortly. Please enjoy it responsibly.
[–]christina_murray_[S] 27 points28 points29 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Taken a longer route- no, I’ll take the most convenient route.
Doubled back? Does that mean to look behind? Because I know plenty of men who do this too…
Pretended to dawdle by a shop window. Nope.
Held her keys in her hand- doesn’t everyone have to hold their keys to lock/unlock the door in the first place? But I still live at home so usually I just knock for them to unlock it (we only have one set of keys).
Made a fake phone call. Unless you count prank-calling fast food places etc, then no.
Walked home scared…. not really- if it’s dark out I’ll be wary of my surroundings but I think most men would do the same and there’s seldom any reason for me to be out in the dark anyway- I’m a homebody at the best of times, but I’m not inherently scared whilst walking home.
So this “every woman you know” thing is a load of bollocks.
[–]AnFGhoster 17 points18 points19 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So this “every woman you know” thing is a load of bollocks
I know. I gathered from the post your title and your name that you were a woman calling this out. I was adding a joke to it.
[–]christina_murray_[S] 17 points18 points19 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sorry- I can’t always sense jokes- (I’m autistic) but looking back, yeah it’s fairly obvious haha
[–]HumansDisgustMe123 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Love how people like this think men can't grasp this experience. We're the majority of homicide and aggravated assault victims, but the difference is that we don't generalise half the planet as potential attackers because they happen to share genital configuration. We fear criminals, not "men", we fear the violent, not a race or a gender or a sexuality.
I mean really, it's such an animalistic primitive response. An individual poses a threat, so you take a completely irrelevant physical attribute as the reason behind this threat, then apply that reasoning to everyone with the aforementioned attribute. That's exactly the kind of broken logic that has caused every single instance of xenophobia, racism, homophobia etc. I don't know where this ridiculous idea came from that this train of thought suddenly works if the target happens to appear higher on some imagined list of social hierarchy governed by woefully incomplete data.
[–]YetAgain67 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, that's what really gets me. Even more than the fear-mongering of an entire group of people as dangerous predators in waiting - the assumption that men don't have these exact same fears.
I bet my next dollar most men you'll talk to will say they've felt unsafe and on guard walking alone at night or being out alone in public at night.
I sure as fuck know I have and still do. Even when I'm with a group. I always make it a point to be aware and on guard. I've been the target of street harassment - as a guy - multiple times in my life. And I'm 6ft flat. I'm tall and wide, lol - not exactly the most obvious mark for crime. Friends have even told me I have a very "intense" resting face. But that still hasn't stopped me from being followed and harassed a few times -even had a knife pulled on me.
Edit: Oh, and can't forget the time I honked at a group of dudes in a car for cutting me off REALLY close and they proceeded to fall back, tailgate me, honk at me, flash their lights at me, and pull up alongside me to yell and make faces and intimidate me. This was FL, too. So the entire time I'm trying to watch the road, get away from them, AND be on the lookout in case one of them pulled a gun. FL people know, the roads are MAD MAX shit out there.
And of course, that's not the only time I've been harassed for justifiably honking at people. Now I just don't do it anymore because society has got me so freaked out I'm afraid any little transgression will get me shot or stabbed.
[–]grumpysafrican 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Come and live in South Africa where literally every person, male or female, do this.
[–]eldred2 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Now do men...
[–]phrunk87 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Every woman you know is a pussy."
-Harriet Johnson
[–]Cross55 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
For anyone curious, you should never put your keys between your fingers, that just rips the skin and makes defending yourself harder.
You use your longest key as a shank (Hold it between your thumb and pointer), preferably aiming for the eyes, ears, nose, or neck. Stab anywhere you can of course, but try to go for the closest sensitive/vital bits first and foremost.
[+]aryaman16 -10 points-9 points-8 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Every women might have faced it or not, but as long as he is not trying to compare with men problems and writing on the lines of "Women face these things, now shut up", it isn't misandry ig.
[–]country2poplarbeef 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean, it's no more misandry than it might be racist to say that you have these same exact triggers being around black people, for example.
[–]christina_murray_[S] 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually- it’s my mistake- I didn’t provide the context here.
This was after there was a wave of misandry after a murder case in the UK a few years ago… people still comment it every now and then on misandrists’ posts to give a justification for them
[–]ChimpPimp20 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I wouldn’t call this misandry. There’s nothing untruthful or harmful here.
[–]YetAgain67 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean, aside from the fear-mongering sure - nothing harmful here.
[–]TimSalzbarth 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am not american I do not understand the 2nd line ... at all.
I understand all words in it but they mean nothing to me
[–]SnooBeans6591 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most women are probably not women. Especially the older ones, who just never had a phone with which to make a fake phone-call.
Most people have done some of this, but doing exactly all of those makes it unlikely. I've holden peper-spray, which isn't in her list, but some others I didn't do.
[–]griii2 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There should be one more point at the end: - Yet, the majority of victims of random street crime are men.
[–]BDT81 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
... ... ... How do you pretend to dawdle?
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