If you run a good game on someone to manipulate them into becoming obsessed with/dependent you, do you have a right to complain if you decide it's annoying?

Kajel-Jeten · 2019-11-29T19:23:54+00:00

You just shouldn't make people dependant on you to begin with. That's not an okay thing to do to anyone. It reflects a mindset where you prioritize getting what you want over any concern for another person's well being which isn't ethical at all. It's fine if you want to have a relationship where the other person greatly values the role you play in their life but that's not the same as trying to create a relationship where someones afraid to leave you (even if that would be good for them) because you manipulated them into thinking they can't be okay without you. The video you linked says things like "picking the right victim" unironically, common.

E0672 · 2019-11-29T19:17:00+00:00

Sexual strategy does not necessarily align with virtue.

It is your choice how to act.

saito200 · 2019-11-29T19:19:01+00:00

Is it really ethical to put people through that

Is it? What do you think?

ImJustSo · 2019-11-29T19:36:05+00:00

What you're describing is a person that exists on the spectrum of narcissistic personality disorder.

2019-11-29T21:20:16+00:00

I’ve been on the other side of the game where I’m being played with. I’m still very hurt to the core of myself and can never feel the same again. I now feel like the girl I was seeing is so superior to me that I’m not worth it. She dropped me after she was bored and I don’t know how to get over it. Any tips guys? Pls, it’s been almost 2 years now

drdavidbanner20 · 2019-11-29T23:49:33+00:00

Why would you want someone to become dependent on you? That's an unattractive trait in a woman.

WIA20XX · 2019-11-29T21:16:37+00:00

If you run a good game on someone to manipulate them into becoming obsessed with/dependent you,

That's not good game.

Good game is not preying on her insecurity.

Good game takes advantage of that fire burning inside of her.

The old model of PUA said that girls LOVE SEX. They don't just like sex with a great guy in a loving and caring permanent relationship headed towards marriage, house, children, and death.

But they literally like to climax very hard. They like the sex part of the sex, not just the man attached to the dick.

There are the guys that she'll introduce her parents to, the guy that she'll tell her friends about, and then there are guys that she likes to fuck, but she is ashamed of.

The same way guys like these broke low self esteem kinda crazy strippers and club chicks, she likes these messed up gangsters and narcissistic jocks. Both camps will let loose because they know they don't really need to deal with their partner in any sort of long term way.

Girls like sex for pleasure. They like sex for sport. Good gratifying sex is often unrelated to her loving relationship.

I have fucked lots of chicks with boyfriends/LTRs. They are happy for me to pound on em, and go back to loving relationships. Their husbands could do the same job, but both sides don't want to lose each other's image. He sees her own way, she sees him another.

Women have a primal/feral/mischievous sign that they have to keep behind closed doors because society will and does judge women that are too wanton. Guys and especially other girls love to slut shame.

So old school PUA (canned lines era) was about creating a space where she could let loose.

You don't do this by making her feel bad about her choices, you make her feel empowered and a bit mischievous. You let her indulge in things that she isn't supposed to.

Instead of dread and fear of competition or other anxiety, she looks forward with anticipation.

Perhaps it is dark to get her hooked on the rush of sex, of an affair, of the forbidden. Maybe she shouldn't be fucking around, maybe she should concentrate on work/school.

But she can't help herself.

She is on a diet, but you are the free doughnut in the break room, the French fries someone got for lunch, the bag of chocolate chips she keeps in the cupboard.

do you have a right to complain if you decide it's annoying?

The thing about dark side game/dark triad - is that you have to keep making demands.

That style of game forces a man to complain. She needs the negative stimulation to stay engaged. So you have to become that guy, otherwise she sees through the illusion.

ActuallyAMammal · 2019-11-29T20:49:34+00:00

I feel like I can answer this one:

Attraction goes both ways, the same way this happens to men, it also happens to women. If you’re gaming her with the final objective being that you want her to obsess about you, you’re a dick. Hard stop.

Now, what usually happens is, the guys who ‘study’ game (for the lack of a better word), do ‘shit-tests’ just like the girls, because once you have an abundance mindset, you subconsciously start shit testing so you can choose your partner well.

For example, once you’re dating 3-4 girls at the same time, and it’s been a few weeks, you’re probably thinking about possibly going into a relationship with at least one of them, so subconsciously, you start doing things that can cause obsessive behaviors. And that way you can weed them out.

With that being said, if you’re doing it on purpose just to fulfill your ego, you have some issues. But if you feel that it ‘just happens’, then it’s no different than a girl doing it to countless men.

2019-11-29T22:25:22+00:00

An interesting question. "Life is a Game and no one should be dependent on anyone", if they are it's their own fault. Sad but true, and a painfully hard lesson to learn for romantic types like myself.

AlexValmontDotCom · 2019-11-29T20:36:24+00:00

lol I remember a high school buddy of mine telling me his evil plan about using subliminal music to seduce his 3rd cousin. This reminded me of that.

Jokes aside, the lack of wisdom here is under -9000. These people are never happy.

Oh and if you think mind games work like that you probably fail to see the real psychological mechanics behind what's happening. Which always involve both parties. Just sayin.

Check out the narcissist/codependent dynamic around the youtubes for further reference.

PondScum420 · 2019-11-29T20:46:28+00:00

People like that are not happy. It should be about improving yourself, not manipulating and lying to people. That does not better you or your life, it makes you a sociopath.

People like that are playing themselves. Any mature, rational, adult can see through tactics like that. Those tactics unfortunately work on people with low self esteem that have probably already been through many other toxic relationships.

The narcisist is born from a wounded ego. These guys probably got cheated on or unfairly treated at some point in their life and how they chose to deal with that pain is to spread it and inflict on others.

What a thing to pedestalize, these are desperately sad men that deserve no envy, only pity

-lighght- · 2019-11-29T20:48:57+00:00

How about you don't manipulate people. Not that hard to be a half decent human being

brolyog · 2019-11-29T21:39:59+00:00

Pockyaf · 2019-11-29T21:44:04+00:00

Would love to see the quality of girls this tactic works on. Guarantee it's fatties and uggos lel

The ONLY way to make a girl obsessed with you is by status. Having a killer Instagram, would have them constantly stalking you and on their mind. The fact that anyone is studying "dark" tactics just shows how desperate the dweeb is to achieve that same result as someone with status

SpanishIntuition · 2019-11-29T23:53:58+00:00

Maybe this is why so many of you feel that approach anxiety. Because deep down you KNOW that you're strong and therefore your unconscious won't let you use these weak manipulative tactics. You have BILLIONS of years of evolutionary seduction power built into your psyche. But when you choose not to go with it your brain grinds your gears and you get anxiety. Your brain says "NO I don't wanna do it like that. That's Not how it works!!".

So why don't I show you the Real way to do it. Where your anxiety drops basically to Zero. And when you even just approach her she gets wet between her thighs. Ready?

I want you to imagine a beautiful woman at the gym or a mall. Now I want you to imagine yourself being disheveled with mustard stains on your shirt, unbrushed teeth, your fly open, a booger hanging from your nose, shoulders in, dragging your feet, and a few memorized manipulative tactics. From a range of 1 to 10.. how high is your anxiety?

Scenario 2. NOW I want you to imagine you're dressed like a weapon. You are hyper well groomed. You check yourself every day like u know that you're worth it. Like you have a runway gig in Milan. Every fucking day, you make it a habit to do bicycle crunches in bed the moment u wake up in the morning, squats, then a 5to10 minute abundance meditation (you see yourself as your true self. The way I see you. Abundant, powerful, amazing). You constantly try to walk with your heels slightly off the ground so it keeps you present, strengthens your calves, straightens your posture, and keeps your walk more like a male model.
You approach her with the feeling of "I'm a man and I find you attractive." When you look at her, you look at her in the way that Giacomo Casanova looks at a woman. Your eyes totally open. In total interest. Nothing fake or manipulative. You tell her Exactly how you feel. "I have to say I really like your dress/shoes/look, and I think you're really gorgeous."
"Would you say you're a pretty open confident person or are you a little shy?" "I know every woman is different. Some prefer guys who are honest and direct. And some prefer a more indirect approach. Which one are u?" "Would you like to join me for coffee? If you're in a rush we can always exchange numbers. Meet up at another time.."

Would you guys like me to take quick screenshots of my texts and put in on here so you all could take notes and analyze? Usually it involves light teasing, asking and making feeling based statements. And making references to touch, scent, taste, sound etc..

Again I'm NOT a pickup artist but I could show u what we guys do and then you can show me what you guys do and maybe we can meet in the middle?

MrMemper · 2019-11-30T00:00:08+00:00

Nope

dhottawa · 2019-11-30T00:37:20+00:00

Play stupid games; win stupid prizes. Anyone headstrong won’t just let them become blindly seduced and then dependant. Autonomy is far too valuable to just give up.

You’re preying on already vulnerable to feel powerful; that’s a shitbag thing to do.

vladmir_1917 · 2019-11-30T02:17:49+00:00

manipulating people to be dependent on you and then complaining about is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard

blockfuture · 2019-11-30T02:58:10+00:00

Don't blame the player blame the game.

kellykebab · 2019-11-30T03:38:40+00:00

No, it is not ethical, clearly.

2019-11-30T04:28:26+00:00

There was a girl who I met 2 years ago who used just about everything he talks about in this video, guess who still thinks of her at least once a day. Jesus fuck this shit actually works

InTentsInHere · 2019-11-29T19:43:42+00:00

No, but also the girls are half the equation, allowing themselves to fall for douchebags, or not vetting them, etc, so don't just blame men. And vice versa. Near everyone gets their heart broken by playing the victim at some point.

gapdaddy72 · 2019-11-29T19:43:16+00:00

No, it is not.

Smoking-Apathy · 2019-11-29T20:46:31+00:00

From what I noticed, only insecure girls fall for manipulative tactics. You’ll like the insecure girls at first but once you get her hooked you’ll get annoyed by her insane amount of attention she demands. Healthy and confident women seem to know the games and will walk away when they smell bull. Just an observation.

PimPedOutGeese · 2019-11-29T19:55:21+00:00

Is it really ethical to put people through that

Sexual strategy is amoral. There is no right or wrong here. Hold on a second.... Lets see this from a different perspective.

Game is genuinely for men... To improve there chances of success with women. Agreed?

Why do men even need game? Because it takes no effort for a woman to get a man. Because if they choose NOT to use game they WILL be manipulated by a woman.

Women have been manipulating and abusing men for centuries. Why are we complaining if a man manipulates a woman? That's just narrative brain washing.

Its amoral and subjective. Use it or don't. Up to you.

Title	If you run a good game on someone to manipulate them into becoming obsessed with/dependent you, do you have a right to complain if you decide it's annoying?
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Date	November 29, 2019 4:52 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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