Has TRP ever not worked for you guys?

needathrowawayplease · 2014-05-03T16:19:34+00:00

From "this one girl who will not be attracted to this new man", it sounds like you think being slightly more alpha and not failing shit tests is going to make all women magically want your dick.

Sorry doesn't work that way. It just means women who would have already given you a chance before are less likely to next you.

There are a thousand reasons a girl wouldn't be interested in you that are outside of your control. That's why in the manosphere/PUA/seduction/TRP communities it's repeatedly stressed that dating and sex are a number's game. You play the odds until one girl works out. If you let yourself get attached to one girl and pin all your hopes and dreams on her wanting to be with you then you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

RedPill4LYF · 2014-05-03T17:41:57+00:00

I didn't read the body of your post, just the title. I want to answer the main question specifically.

Let me put it to you like this: Whereas before, my worldview was full of ignorance and fear of what people thought of me, today, I suffer no anxieties. (A number of physical ailments I suffered from have all but disappeared due to the relief and lack of unnecessary stress.) I could not possibly give less of a shit what anyone thinks of me now, and it feels like my life has finally begun. Do you understand what I mean?

I had this stupid fantasy that if I was kind and hard working enough, a woman would recognize my value and want to be with me, and we would fall in love and share an amazing life together. Reality punched me in the face for the longest time, decimating this fantasy every single day of my life, but I never gave up hope because that is what I was told to do. I no longer hold on to that delusion, and it's like I've awakened a sense of happiness I haven't felt since my childhood.

I secretly thought in the back of my mind that all of my effort would finally pay off when I met the right woman. I harbored a fantasy that God was watching and testing my resolve, and that he would one day reward me by answering my prayers. I really thought my past mattered, and that my good intentions would count for something later in life. I felt that surely I deserved that happiness, and all the pain I endured from one shit relationship to the next, always sacrificing, always denying my own wants and needs, would somehow amount to a proof of my right to a wonderful woman I could worship and be worshiped by.

The red pill is not about becoming a woman magnet. It's about acknowledging reality. It's about becoming alpha and not wasting your time on women who will only use you for attention and resources. It's about giving narcissists the finger. It's about making yourself the best person you can possibly be and going for what you want. It's okay to care about the needs of others, but they should not take priority over your own; that is a recipe for disappointment if ever there was nothing else I could not be more sure of.

The blue pill world is a shameful place where all your thoughts are policed by this cloud of judgement from others. As a blue piller, you fear being rejected. You fear being wrong. You fear women. You fear men. You fear God. You fear dying a virgin. You fear what people will think of the fact that you're turned on by whatever the hell turns you on.

You fear crossing any lines because you don't want anyone to dislike you. You want to be liked, and that's not such a bad thing. The irony of course, is that no matter what you do, everyone is judging you at all times. Everyone judges in the moment. Everyone is always judging. You yourself are making judgements about the red pill by asking this question, therefore you are not above what I'm saying.

People are judgers. We do it because it is natural. We perceive what we perceive because we seek to understand the world.

People are flawed in their conceptions of reality because life is a never ending struggle to understand what is. I'm sure you've encountered many misunderstandings in your own life to confirm that this does happen. It happens all the time every single day. People can be fairly accurate, they can have valid points, but they don't know you or your personal intentions. I'm not saying you're right or they're right. I'm saying there's no real inherent truth. What happens happens. Life is what it is. It's chaos, and society attempts to control it. This is why we have all these ideologies battling it out constantly, fighting for social dominance. No one is actually right. It's a giant popularity contest, and whoever has the biggest guns calls all the shots.

Women are not programmed to betray good men. Women are programmed to reward power with sex. Look at any representation of power, and you'll see pussy lining up next to it. This should be reason enough for you to begin improving yourself if you want better quality sex. The more power you have, the more access to better quality pussy you're going to get.

Knowledge is a form of power by the way. This is why blue pillers are lied to all of their lives. It keeps them powerless, and therefore controllable. Women are hyper insecure control freaks, and so they love this dynamic for obvious reasons. This is why women lie incessantly about what they want.

Being red pill does not mean every woman is going to cream her panties in your vicinity. It's an understanding of female nature and not allowing yourself to become the willing victim of its dark side. If you learn how to game women, you can definitely get your dick wet pretty consistently. Or you can just ignore women and do your own thing. Doesn't really matter since women won't ever actually fall in love with you for you.

So, is there a point when it doesn't work for me? No. Swallowing TRP can only benefit you. You will very likely be disappointed with the truths you will learn from it, but once you internalize it you won't care anymore. TRP is a set of tools that you can use to free yourself from the manipulations of others.

Acksiom · 2014-05-03T16:19:29+00:00

Women who are too smart and realize they are being treated like children (brilliant strategy by the way)?

Nope. It's not about treating them like children. RP is about treating women like adults. BPers are the ones who treat women like children.

Second of all, the smarter the woman is, generally the better she responds to RPM behavior.

[deleted] · 2014-05-03T16:01:53+00:00

I don't know. I've never cared that much about impressing one single woman that I noticed when it wasn't "working" for her or something. It sounds like that's leaning toward oneitis, which is one of the biggest traps we tell people not to fall into.

Not to mention we all know what what women say, especially in front of their friends, and what women do, are usually completely different.

cagethepepper · 2014-05-03T16:30:50+00:00

In my opinion, some girls will not risk it for an alpha because they don't think they got what it takes to make him stick around.

[deleted] · 2014-05-03T16:12:19+00:00

Not every woman will like every specific guy, its more of a generalization. Additionally, there are girls who are already in relatinships/getting fucked by others so those are less likely to drop their shit for you.

That said, let's be real man - you've got oneitis right now

icanteventhecat · 2014-05-05T00:46:36+00:00

The only thing I think sometimes backfires is nexting. Women flake and fuck up and do a whole host of other annoying shit, not always because they're hypergamous or scheming, but because they're human.

Many RPers have a "zero tolerance" policy when it comes to BS and just cut women off. I've done this a few times, and I think this has led to missed opportunities. Sometimes talking it out is helpful, even if it is out of self-interest.

Think about it, would you next people like that outside dating/relationships? For example, a high-powered who wants to talk about a lucrative job offer cancels your meeting last minute; are you going think he's an asshole and never speak to him again or reschedule? Maybe after 2 or 3 times, you should give up though.

inyostink · 2014-05-03T17:39:54+00:00

Ultimately, once you've swallowed TRP, you won't care about women who are not attracted to you.

kempff · 2014-05-03T22:19:47+00:00

Cutting through the bullshit and not playing along with other people's mind games has always worked for me.

SkorchZang · 2014-05-03T23:22:08+00:00

Happens all the time. Still get rejected all the time. Still don't care. RP doesn't make you a superhero, but it can feel like you're a lion among men when you sufficiently internalize the lore.

MetacognitiveMan · 2014-05-03T18:23:44+00:00

TRP is about finding what works for yourself as influenced by TRP guidelines and not blindly following someone else's ideas and deciding black or white whether it works or not. The latter is intellectually lazy and taking no responsibility for your self.

Becoming a better, more positively masculine man can turn off a women. For example, if she knew you before and liked they way she could control you. Some people are unwilling to give up control in a relationship once they have it. Maybe their attraction was based on their ability to be the one in control.

Zackcid · 2014-05-03T22:51:01+00:00

A few things you need to grasp before you get into this:

TRP is a lifestyle, it's also a spectrum. That means it's not black and white. Nobody can be "perfectly Red Pill".
TRP tends to target a certain subset of girls. We tend to not give a shit about those girls who think they're intellectual -- girls who are too smart usually are so because they had to compensate for lack of good looks. A pretty girl doesn't have to use her brain throughout most of her youthful life, so it's quite easy to categorize them. It's important to make a distinction between LTR and casual relationships. Her character and intellect actually become massive bonuses if looking for LTR.
No man will ever attract every single woman. Just accept it. You're not attracted to every single female your friends think are hot, so why expect every women to be attracted to you?

TRP has never not worked for me. It's kinda weird discussing it that way because I don't think TRP is a thing that "works", it just is. Overall, ever since swallowing, my quality of life has never ceased to improve. Whether financial-wise, muscle-gains/fitness, women, spirituality, etc.

Have I ever tried to make a ballsy move on a hot chick and "failed"? Sure did. But I've never made the same mistake since, so failures are actually the best part of improving. You can't grow if there are no resistances.

[deleted] · 2014-05-04T21:43:27+00:00

I have an unpopular view on here, but I'm very monogamous. NAWALT. There are some people who I've had to Adopt entirely different strategies to go for, but this is for the largest swathe.

SingularlyDecomposed · 2014-05-03T18:28:15+00:00

My sister mentioned being hit on at a club by a Red Piller a couple of weeks ago. He apparently mentioned how women's value decreases as they age and men's value increases. He used that as justification of why she should give him her number. He actually mentioned the redpill in the first conversation.

I don't care what you guys say. If a guy just exists and trolls for chicks at a club at the age of 30 he isn't DHV. A girl can have higher value than a man if she's actually doing something with her life and improving herself. My sister is one of those people, and this redpill dude was a fucking loser. If we're speaking probabilities here, an attractive woman may be less likely to pursue things which make her interesting because she's being barraged by validation, but that does not mean it is an impossibility...but a guy who's fucking a lot of chicks is getting validation the same way. It's something to keep in mind.

papadop · 2014-05-03T17:04:01+00:00

This post question (which is a good one) indicates that RP still doesn't have a very clear message right now. Too many loose interpretations where guys think RP means being a dickhole to girls. It's incorrect. You don't need to be an accomodating beta, but you also don't need to be a dick. All things in life require moderation -- RP is about the innate truths in your gender, not about being an asshole or hating/ragging on women (and there many guys here who are mis-interpreting and corrupting this on R/Redpill and Return of Kings).

I highly suggest reading Mark Manson's "Models" until it makes sense. He has RP philosophy but without the 'be an asshole and play games" shit that a lot of people see as the only way to deal with women, although it's not true. Maintaining frame is true.

When you can maintain frame, be confident, genuine, self-invested and be composed enough to not be angry/asshole type that's when the smarter/more awesome girls are seriously going to go for you.

pralinematchbox · 2014-05-04T02:32:26+00:00

2/3 of my friends have folded on me cuz they think I'm a dick now. Oh well made me see who my real friends are

Title	Has TRP ever not worked for you guys?
Author	The_BitterTruth
Upvotes	7
Comments	53
Date	May 3, 2014 3:52 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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