True masculinity is power

MistyMaisel · 2024-04-10T12:41:21+00:00

Physical power is relatively masculine it seems.

But I would contend fo you that physical power is by far the weakest form of power available especially in our modern landscape.

Far higher power would be intellectual power and the highest would be social power. I think men and women possess intellectual power relatively equally with men representing higher on that spectrum, but also lower and women being more often the smedium of it.

But social power, especially in a day to day common way, is almost exclusively a female trait. Yes, many of our leaders are men and thus they're dictating the macro framework of it all (and not well it seems given how many of us wish them not our leaders). It's also more powerful due to its indirect, covert, and often pleasing nature.

But in most of our day to day lives, the people with social power are women, not men. And social power greatly exceeds physical power.

So I must agree physical power is generally more masculine, but not the nature of power itself. And, that if we actually study the nature of power, it seems as if the highest power is distributed more among women than men (although men make up the highest rungs of it more often).

TheRedPillRipper · 2024-04-10T08:47:25+00:00

Power is the male exclusive trait

The primary flaw in this logic, is that ‘Power’ is gendered. Taken in it’s most basic definition, that power is the ability, and or capacity to do something; Power is not gendered. Every human, has some capacity. Some ability. The difference, is the degree of that capacity. Most men couldn’t fight peak Rhonda Rousey. Most women wouldn’t win a cook off against Gordon Ramsey. These are examples of differing abilities, and capacities.

Westernation · 2024-04-10T10:34:49+00:00

Think you have power?

This coming weekend, try going out to a nightclub with $5 in your pocket.

You’ll go home one lonely, thirsty SOB.

Now - try that as a young, hot woman in a tube dress.

THAT’S power.

Legitimate_Type_1324 · 2024-04-10T08:24:33+00:00

Power is your capacity to control others while preventing others controlling you.

To have power, you need to have means to motivate others to action. That motivation comes from them trusting you, fearing you or trading with you.

Trust gives you long term benefits, trading as well, fear only works for a while.

Masculinity has little to do with it. But masculine men that are competitive want to get into positions of power. Powerful people happen to be masculine, not the other way around.

thedarkracer · 2024-04-10T07:07:49+00:00

No it's not. TL DR, Power is the mastery of the skill or having access to resources which are rare (not easily available) and sought after a majority of public. For example: Access to women is rare for men so women have power in dating. Rich have money so they have resources which give them power.

How does true masculinity have any of that which you have said. Having muscles doesn't mean you are strong, it is the will you have to fight and what you are willing to do. We are the weakest in strength in the whole animal kingdom yet we rule, we have the strongest will and the strength to go the distance. That's what true masculinity is, having the will the make the strongest and hardest decisions and also lead. It is a totally different thing.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2024-04-10T13:00:17+00:00

Would you say that you’re prone to manic episodes?

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-04-10T13:26:55+00:00

This sounds like r/iam14andthisisdeep material. This is a post from JM Blakey: world record holder in powerlifting in his westside days. Inventor of the JM press. His reputation IS in power

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Safinated · 2024-04-10T13:50:30+00:00

You could have just said “power is masculine”.

Methinks the gentleman doth protest a bit too much. Or just likes to hear himself talk

obviousredflag · 2024-04-10T10:22:57+00:00

There is barely anything true of what your wrote nor does the "logic" work out. It would take forever to critique everything.

But above all else. Free will shapes your personality. You can think and act how you want.

You cannot think and act how you want. You don't know what you are going to think next. You only think you could just sit on the couch until your life ended. But try it and you will see you can't. You can probably not even stop eating for the next 48 hours. So much for free will.

apresonly · 2024-04-10T17:00:32+00:00

there's more power than being a barbarian

a barbarian is a slave to playing king of the hill, which seems shitty and not aspirational (not powerful)

Whoreasaurus_Rex · 2024-04-10T07:17:09+00:00

When’s the last time you seriously had to “protect yourself” and what from?

Sad-Climate-1074 · 2024-04-10T12:53:38+00:00

Having power is very important, I’ve been hitting the weight bench and I’ve never been stronger. I’ve been doing yoga for the mind. I divorced my ex and living the bachelor life, growing my wealth. Power is the ability to say no and stick to it.

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spaffjizz · 2024-04-10T13:02:25+00:00

Power is power - Cersai Lannister.

DatabaseAfraid7176 · 2024-04-11T03:06:31+00:00

Men and women are different. We are a sexually dimorphic species.

Men and women are different, but it is not a binary difference. They are also very similar (as they are from the same species and have many shared roles). Sexually dimorphic just means producing different gametes/ having a differnt role in reproduction/ survival, but a lot of things are shared between the sexes/ genders.

Since we are different we have different standards. And there is no contradiction in these standards.

No. Since we are not completely different, many of the standards will be shared across the species.

Having different standards for the same thing is hypocritical/dysfunctional.

No. How so?

And also having different things having the same standards is illogical/paradoxical.

No. Since we are not completely different, many of the standards will be shared across the species. This is not paradoxical. It is the sign of a complex system not defined by binaries.

Quick examples a man in general is sexually attracted to a shorter woman. A woman in general is sexually attracted to a taller man.

Yes, and both share attraction to things like clear skin, good teeth etc. and other shared markers of health.

For men. Obviously the go to is power.

As in physical strength? Fine.

If you are strong enough to protect yourself. Now you will in general have an independent personality.

False. If you are strong enough to protect yourself, you will still have a team-oriented personality. You might be able to defend yourself against 1 or 2 attackers, but the social group could still do away with someone not working not in the group's interests. There are plenty of ways to harm or kill a person that do not require strength (poisoning/ exile). Group acceptance is required for continued social existence. Being independent means working towards your own goals, manipulation is a more necessary trait for that (found in both men and women).

If you are weak and need protection. You will have an inclusive/team oriented personality.

True, or you could be manipulative and appear inclusive/ team oriented.

What you experience in your life can shape your personality.

Yes.

But above all else. Free will shapes your personality. You can think and act how you want.

Yes.

In the same way if someone has a dominant mind state. But does not have the means to be dominant. Then that hypothetical person can not be dominant.

Yes, in a one on one fight or exercising dominance over one individual. If they have the support of the group who will protect/ fight for them, then anyone could be dominant, or it they have a weapon (physical/ emotional such as blackmail etc).

it starts with power. Which is the male exclusive trait.

Not logical, we are social animals and power can be social as well as physical.

Commercial_Tea_8185 · 2024-04-11T16:46:40+00:00

‘Being able’ isn’t exclusively masculine at all.

Mr2ThumbsFGC · 2024-04-13T02:23:48+00:00

Wrong. Dead wrong.

Masculinity, at its core, is about responsibility. It's about discipline. Integrity.

tadL · 2024-04-10T10:33:11+00:00

You are spending way too much time to understand you have to be a man. That's it. Not superman just a man.

Do what you say you will do. Protect and provide for your family and lead them. Make the life of people around you better. We serve. That's our duty.

But understand it's a partnership. There are things in life that we don't have to change.

And just ignore the part of humans that argue about it all day. Because they think they can change nature by talking. It won't happen.

The world is not flat no matter how hard they argue.

And there are things in life you will not change. It's not on us to run to for example IKEA and pack the home with nonsense. And yes all women do that. And before I trigger one. Remember how your husband's place looked before he met you? Did you not change a lot? Did things not disappear of his stuff that annoyed you?

Title	True masculinity is power
Author	berichorbeburied
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Comments	136
Date	April 10, 2024 6:20 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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