"Who set that system up?"

phoenician_anarchist · 2024-04-20T14:31:22+00:00

So I wanted to ask yall what you would have to say as a comeback for "Who set that system up"

"It wasn't me."
"Don't change the subject."
"I'm not a collectivist."
"I'm not interested in joining your cult today, thanks."
"I don't believe the son should be punished for the sins of the father."
"What 'system'?"
"Go fuck a cactus..."

Any one of these will do, depending on the circumstances. In some cases you might be able to answer with "Feminists.", that's always fun. 🤣

woodquest · 2024-04-20T08:40:28+00:00

I think the problem here is people trying to reply with logic, play by the rules, like you would with some rational and honest adult human being willing to discuss.

But they are absolutely not. This crowd is as troll, immature and vindicative as it gets.
They will always come back with some reply, often appealing to emotions, group thing, bad faith and unexpected ways to bash you.

Having any serious discussion with them is a loose loose scenario for you.

I found the only thing that truly work is treat them as the 8 year old bad kids they truly are. Would you loose your time trying to explain complex concepts to a silly crowd of 8 year olds ?

Or would you just ignore/deflect and light jokes while being slightly amused ?

reverbiscrap · 2024-04-20T13:24:42+00:00

The answer is 'wealthy elites trying to insulate and protect their own women and children'.

KPplumbingBob · 2024-04-20T09:55:03+00:00

Even their "gotcha" answer, that men set it up, does not change anything. Men do dangerous jobs so women don't have to. Their mistake is thinking that a system set up by a man is the system that will benefit a man, because that's something they would do. Projection. And even in case the argument is that "men did it to themselves" that sound like victim blaming and lack of empathy to me.

denvercaniac · 2024-04-20T13:43:31+00:00

Feminists are evil, selfish scumbags.

Current_Finding_4066 · 2024-04-20T08:42:57+00:00

I would ask them to stop being misandristic bigots.

Cause in reality, such people are not looking to reason with you, and hence it is a waste of time.

Metraxis · 2024-04-20T11:18:13+00:00

The correct answer is "the wealthy". Our society is a plutarchy and always has been. Patriarchy is fiction.

aigars2 · 2024-04-20T08:50:02+00:00

Gynocentric society. After industrial revolution and technology happened there's no reason to live like we did a couple of centuries.

barkmagician · 2024-04-20T08:47:21+00:00

It is setup by men in order to protect and serve women

No-Knowledge-8867 · 2024-04-20T10:14:44+00:00

Ask them to explain what they mean in detail? What do they mean by system? It sounds conspiratorial. How was this "system" set up? What was in place to allow the setting up of a "system"? What were/are the goals of this system, and how do we know?

The "system" is an amorphous meaningless blob, which is why it seems so hard to challenge. When you prod for more details and these ideas need to be explained, they quickly start to fall apart.

dependency_injector · 2024-04-20T15:19:51+00:00

Lizard people. Anyone in a "position of power" is a lizard person, male or female. Anyone in a "position of power" who is proven to be human is brainwashed by the lizard people and doesn't act on their own will. Anyone who denies the existence of lizard people is a lizard person, works for the lizard people or is brainwashed by the lizard people.

They are going to use similar arguments to prove that the answer is "men", so you can have a lot of fun with it.

Zess-57 · 2024-04-20T12:42:30+00:00

Billionaires did

Sharp_Hope6199 · 2024-04-20T14:32:39+00:00

Who set that system up?

People in power tend to reinforce systems that keep them in power, while those who would like power attempt to undermine or infiltrate it.

The fallacy is dividing it among gender lines - although that may be strategic. As long as people are arguing over a fallacy, they are distracted from what’s going on.

The reason it’s a fallacy to divide it that way is because it doesn’t account for the fact that some people will absolutely take advantage of people in their own group if it gives them control or advantage. Men will do this to other men, and women will do this to women. This is a people trait, not a gender trait.

There is (and was) no over-arching loyalty to gender or conspiracy to put one of them in power- except for among some relatively small radical groups.

So yes, some men benefit from the way society works, while others do not. The same is true for women. Those who benefit the most are either the ones in power who have control over keeping themselves there, or those who learn the rules and how to exploit them.

Street_Conflict_9008 · 2024-04-20T08:26:12+00:00

Suicide is based on statistical data.

More dangerous jobs is the risk of fatalities if something goes wrong, or the types of jobs that has a high level of incapacitation/health risks compared to other jobs. Working in coal mines in the 1900's had alot of risks, lights burning up oxygen, breathing in coal dust, carts in they lost control would be fatal. This is an example of a dangerous job.

Safety standards have improved, there are alot less risks, and due to the increased safety standards, almost anyone can perform the role now.

LouisdeRouvroy · 2024-04-21T01:16:47+00:00

"Who set that system up"?
"Women. By giving pussy to the winners of that system, those who make money, they create, incentivize and perpetuate the so-called patriarchy."

NefariousnessDue4801 · 2024-04-21T08:08:49+00:00

Who set the system up? People who understand the importance of a functioning economy and a civilized society for the benefit of our evolution.

BuyOk5222 · 2024-04-22T08:38:32+00:00

The sugar daddy that payed for that designer bag you’re holding

MeisterMGTOW · 2024-04-20T12:42:38+00:00

MEN. They set up the system.

The core of the problem is not women, it's men. 99.9999% of men are blue pilled simps that refuse to change.

I've tried to talk to them at it's obviously pointless.

I feel like I am literally the last man on earth who still has a pair of functioning testicles.

Naive_Employment535 · 2024-04-20T09:53:31+00:00

You can't uphold a society for generations without men nor without women

The moment you have like lets say 10 people living together (let's say somewhere where there isnt any settlement or whatever) you have yourself a society, it's something that's made by itself not "by men"

Sure during history monarchs and whatnot were men, that's because women were given the role ofnthe mother, because men would usually work, and in the medieval era, you could've died to bloody anything so it makes sense

During Late-Renaissance and Early/Mid Industrial Age women were demanding work because the society was growing big and secure for everyone, everybody were much safer and sometimes children would go to school or women just wouldn't have children, men denying them work, or giving them work just paying them less is wrobg yes but that's because for generations... they didn't, if women are payed less wouldn't the businesses just hire women much more? Cheaper labour, duh

Title	"Who set that system up?"
Author	chupamanyo
Upvotes	58
Comments	54
Date	April 20, 2024 8:09 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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