Convicted paedophile teacher appeals to overturn conviction on basis of her gender

househubbyintraining · 2024-05-18T20:34:42+00:00

Ive read papers on female sexual abusers where the authors keep saying there is not enough research in the field. You can't trust stats, but you can't trust what we know about female sex offenders either.

we need a major paradigm shift, for real.

SomeSugondeseGuy · 2024-05-18T22:11:44+00:00

For context, this was in Austrailia, and the appeal worked due to how the law was written at the time - in the 1970s. The law has since been "repealed and replaced", though I'm uncertain how much better it's become. It's not just this case, it's the whole system. In America, rape by a woman against a man wasn't considered rape until 2012 - it still isn't in Idaho.

henrysmyagent · 2024-05-18T20:36:47+00:00

Here is a handy guide if you want to know which female teachers will be sent to prison for child rape/sexual harassment.

If the female teacher is attractive and her victim is a male, then she will lose her license and get probation, but no prison time.

If the teacher is attractive but the victim is a female, then she will get prison time, but far less than if a male teacher would recieve.

If the teacher is fat and/or unattractive, then she will get prison time regardless of the victim's genderbut still leds than a make teacher would recieve.

The double standard is alive and well.

WitnessOld6293 · 2024-05-19T01:25:22+00:00

Throw her back in jail

JJnanajuana · 2024-05-19T12:54:40+00:00

Caselaw documents for those interested

Gaye Grant Appeal - (this one, which is currently being appealed.)

Helga Lam Appeal - (the one that set the precedent.)

More info about the cases.

Female paedophilia is now illegal in Australia NSW (where this is.) But because this happened before the law banning homosexuality was changed (1985) Lam and Grant were being charged under that old general catch-all for male victims (and consensual male partners.)

It's not so much that is was legal prior to 1985 (as I first misrepresented while learning about the case) rather on the 12 of February 2024, 3 judges, Meagher JA, Garling J, Weinstein J, decided that "whomsoever" as written in the old law, only applied to males. (in 1933 UK it was illegal and a woman was convicted.)

Now any sexual assault committed by a woman against a man or boy prior to 1985 will no longer be considered illegal.

More info - Gaye Grant's case.

Gaye Grant pled guilty. She did it. She is appealing on the basis of being female and as the judge said

In the light of Lam, the applicant’s appeal would be most likely to succeed.

More info - Helga Lam's case.

The first judge of Lam's case said that the law would apply to a female who induces school-aged boys to engage in the conduct of the kind described. saying:

To my mind, the terms of section 81 are not ambiguous. The actual language used is clear and apparent. The offence requires the Crown to establish an act of indecency upon a male person by “whosoever” (an accused), irrespective of whether such act was consented to by the other person. It is preceded by ss 79 and 80 both of which commence with the term “whosoever”. Neither section limits the perpetrator to a male person, in contrast to ss 81A and 81B each of which commence “whosoever, being a male person”.

The appeal judges go on for a bit about separating out sodomy and bestiality, (which were lumped together) and who could commit what, but somehow don't separate out adult consensual sexual acts and sexual acts against a child... (which were lumped together)

dr_pepper02 · 2024-05-20T10:05:10+00:00

This happens because feminists have their hands in media so they can control the narrative.

Just like every time a woman or a feminist in particular misbehaves the media is there to excuse and defend their bad behavior, just look at Lena Dunham, Asia Argento or Amber Heard who was exposed as a vile person and the media went above and beyond to defend.

Leisure_suit_guy · 2024-05-22T07:26:11+00:00

I while ago I've listened to a true crime podcast about one of the worst serial killer couple ever caught. Guess what? she collaborated but she didn't get a slightly reduced sentence.

She got away scot free: she's got a protected new identity, she re-married and lived her life as if nothing happened. The double standards in the Anglo world are insane.

sakura_drop · 2024-05-19T08:21:35+00:00

I reada little while back that in the UK rape as legally defined cannot be carried out by a woman, since legally defined it involves penetration by a penis. So they would be convislcted of a similar offense but not rape, despite the media sometimes using the term rape. I'll have to find the source for that of course.

_MyAnonAccount_ · 2024-05-19T02:34:42+00:00

Abhorrent. These people should never see the light of day. Permanent incarceration is the way imo. This should be regardless of gender. People have noooo idea how badly this fucks kids up. Tbh I wouldn't be mad at the death penalty coming back for irrefutably proven cases. A kid growing up and paying tax to cover the living costs of their abuser is unacceptable

Sydnaktik · 2024-05-18T21:24:05+00:00

I did smell something a little fishy here. And while you're right that it's worth looking into how these kinds of things affect statistics, including criminal statistics.

Context here is key.

The teach here was convicted in 2022 based on actions she committed in 1970 (52 years ago!). But the law in 1970 was gendered, basically what she did was not illegal at the time (even though a man doing the same thing to a girl would have been). The law was replaced in 1984.

You're talking about gender discrimination that was fixed 40 years ago! You can give this one a pass.

Yes the repeal is recent but she never should have been prosecuted because it just wasn't illegal at the time. It's unfortunate because it should have been illegal. But I think you can give this one a rest, it's been dealt with.

But the point on statistics might still have standing. After all 50 year old cases with male perps are probably still prosecuted too. Which skews the statistics.

Philosophology · 2025-02-24T02:00:20+00:00

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Title	Convicted paedophile teacher appeals to overturn conviction on basis of her gender
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Date	May 18, 2024 6:07 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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