"Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead are women and children" - In reality, it's 44% children, and 26% women. Male deaths are completely ignored, even though by this data men constitute a higher proportion of victims than women.

Excellent_You5494 · 2024-11-08T18:27:17+00:00

I'd bet money that over half the children are boys.

monkeyninja6969 · 2024-11-08T19:05:51+00:00

It's how they typically overlook male deaths. When men die, they're referred to as "people." Women and children grab the headlines, men are just "people."

hendrixski · 2024-11-08T22:30:05+00:00

77% of Gaza deaths are men and children.

eternal_kvitka1817 · 2024-11-08T18:09:13+00:00

We should speak about it on different platforms. Otherwise it's like a bubble...

63daddy · 2024-11-08T19:33:44+00:00

You are right of course. The U.N. isn’t actually lying, they’re just creating a biased representation in the way they state it. Why specifically leave out the number of men killed, but report the number of women?

I agree with PlanktonRoyal52 that victimization shouldn’t be turned into a gender issue, but of course that’s exactly what feminism and the U.N. do when they focus on female victimization, rather than all victimization.

I can remember when food aid to Haiti was given only to women. Denying victims help simply because of their sex is disposable in my opinion.

Both_Relationship_62 · 2024-11-09T02:59:43+00:00

"6 May, the UN said that 69% of reported fatalities were women and children. Two days later, it said this figure was 52%."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-69014893

"GMO has consistently given a higher figure for the proportion of women and children in all fatalities than has the health ministry.

On 6 May, the UN reported 34,735 deaths - of which there were 9,500 women and 14,500 children, citing the GMO as its source.

The two days later, the UN released a further report, switching its sourcing to the health ministry.

The result of this was that although the overall recorded death toll was almost unchanged (34,844), the number of registered deaths of women (4.959) and children (7,797) had both fallen significantly.

This difference was because those individuals with incomplete information were not included in the demographic breakdown.

The GMO says the proportion of women and children killed in the conflict is around 70%.

The UN's latest report, citing health ministry data, says out of 24,686 fully identified fatalities, 52% were women and children, 40% were men, and 8% were "elderly", without specifying whether they were male or female.

It isn't clear what age the report considers to be "elderly" and how it categorises children.

We have done our own analysis of detailed data released by the health ministry, and also found that 52% of the fatalities were listed as women and children (anyone under 18). In addition, 43% were men and another 5% were "unknown" (missing information such as an age or gender).

For the GMO's figure to be compatible with the health ministry's data, almost all of the 10,000 deaths not fully identified by the ministry would have to have been women and children.

"It's not logically impossible... but it really strains credibility," says Prof Michael Spagat, who specialises in examining death tolls in conflicts around the world."

IlIIlIIIlIl · 2024-11-09T09:55:49+00:00

"99 people were killed, including 3 women. Women most affected."

PlanktonRoyal52 · 2024-11-08T18:33:56+00:00

Honestly the situation over there is so bad I don't even think we should apply gender stuff to it.

Current_Finding_4066 · 2024-11-08T18:56:25+00:00

In this case there are incredibly large number of children who got killed.

MembershipWooden6160 · 2024-11-09T06:28:49+00:00

It's very interesting how we all happen to be fed with propaganda on TV. "Gaza war" is not a war at all, it is an outright usage of the most modern tanks, aircrafts and navy against rusty AK-47 owned by what's best described as a few thousands of thugs, who also combine some explosives and missiles crafted by themselves. Most Hamas members are rather a coverup for that organization, not the fighters themselves, they do charity and stuff. They have no touch with its military wing, or military training at all and that's a standard coverup for most of such organizations, military groups hide abd funnel some of these resources to themselves. Hamas fighters are minority even among the group of 50,000 members, which is the upper limit often stated. Just look at their assault on Israel during the last year abd you'll see most of their fighters had no guns but stones and pelts. Yes, I'm not kidding about this. Their assault succeeded because of false sense of might and confidence in Israeli army. They took several of their bases and killed hundreds of their soldiers while these guys were asleep in their well-fortified military bases. It is a big blow for the Israeli army in first place, but you didn't hear that in the news. Just like you don't hear much about their military actions and successes at this moment, because there are none, they are under attrition from poorly equipped Palestinian resistance fighters from all groups after setting foot in Gaza, not just Hamas, so you have the most modern tanks and equipment stuck in conflict over a small strip the size of a bit over 100 square miles. They places themselves in such positions because Palestinians experienced first-hand what it means being compliant on laying down weapons or listening to IDF instructions and after first two months they aren't listening anymore. They know if they leave their cover they'll get killed so they try o bring as many soldiers with them instead.

Yet the Israeli army is not pulling out of that mindset or its goals and we're basically looking at deliberate use of that best military equipment against over 2 million people. Official excuse is to to fight a tiny political organization among them, who also happensed to enjoy support of about half of all Pelstinians in Gaza before conflict. It is a state-sponsored genocide and it's unfortunately backed up by our own government. Kamala Harris lost at least one swing state because she didn't want to listen to majority of her electorate there. She was just a backup candidate by AIPAC, in fact she was their favorite over Trump, because Netanyahu feels that Trump won't be forgiving him over the post-elections fallout in 2020 when he congratulated and supported Biden as the new president.

In such setup, I am not surprised at all that, despite Palestinian men doing the dangerous actions of leaving the safety of their homes in search of food, water and medicines, despite a good fraction of Palestinian men being involved in an outright battle... that this "war" almost has no gender dent in terms of death among men and women, unlike any other war out there. It's because there's no safe zone in Gaza right now and Israeli's use of most modern tanks, most precise missiles and most modern aircraft and navy is focused on killing as much people as possible, if not all, with the idea of permanent expulsion of those who happen to survive that. This is why you had protests in the US campuses, staying blind means staying on the wrong side of history.

hottake_toothache · 2024-11-08T23:55:05+00:00

I don't believe the numbers, anyway. They are being reported by Hamas controlled groups.

Capable-Mushroom99 · 2024-11-09T04:48:50+00:00

It’s fictional data anyway. These UN people are just useful idiots being led around by Hamas to selected incidents and pretending that is representative of reality.

PhillNeRD · 2024-11-09T18:01:07+00:00

I believe the purpose of the static is to point out the dead are not fighters.

Own-Staff-2403 · 2024-11-09T22:19:36+00:00

To be honest, all I care about is that people are dying and that it needs to end. We should speak more about the crimes being committed against innocent human beings instead of information that most of the time is irrelevant.

VariousScallion8597 · 2024-11-08T22:52:55+00:00

If they don't care about women and children, they won't care about men. Gazans are the most persecuted people on earth. If this was Africa, no one would be arguing about who did what first and instead the world would be insisting on a cease fire.

BuddhaB · 2024-11-08T22:05:33+00:00

Hamas started a war and then and hid behind woman and children. Its disgusting. This is not a place to go "poor men." Hamas should be demonised for their actions, and Israel's reaction is not much better.

skysinsane · 2024-11-09T01:04:46+00:00

The reason they exclude men is that when Israel estimates the ratio of "hamas" to "innocents" killed, they assume that all adult men work for hamas, despite hamas only having something like a 50% approval rating among the populace.

So in some ways it is less sexist than it seems, but in other ways it is actually worse

Tobaltus · 2024-11-08T19:26:57+00:00

You guys understand why the media says that right? Cause Israel claims that if someone is a man that they are probably HAMAS. It's bullshit but the fault is as always with Israel

Rabid_Sloth_ · 2024-11-09T05:51:49+00:00

Just discovered this sub. Let's see how fast I can get banned.

Holy cow I thought /conserative sub was pathetic...People are dying in Gaza and you guys are crying about men being discriminated against lol? Good god.

Sad-Constant-6055 · 2024-11-09T07:44:12+00:00

First and foremost , every single commenter on here is pushing towards being a moron or is a moron. IF YOU WANT EQUALITY regarding headlines and lives lost in the AP, or the like, YOU MUST ALSO BACK EQUALITY IN GOVERNMENTAL RULE AND MILITARISTIC POWER!

These posts lack any higher level thought or understanding as so the shameless men who want to act as though the dead Hamas men are victims as women and children are. RIDICULOUS? Here is why women and children ARE TRUE VICTIMS…THEY HAVE ZERO SAY IN POLITICAL DECISIONS OR MILITARISTIC ACTION ! Equality in lives lost means that the decisions resulting in casualties MUST be made by both sexes so that there is culpability . This means that both sexes make governmental and military decisions knowing their actions could lead to death, crimes, or imprisonment. Women and children are innocent bystanders of male aggression which makes them VICTIMS! Hamas is a ruling party. Women have few rights under Hamas rule. And those rights are routinely ignored. Women are not equal to men, they are inferior there and forbidden from political rule or military service. There is STILL an obligatory belief that women must cover themselves up in public because showing any part of their body is nothing short of being a temptress. Women in Gaza widely suffer verbal, physical and sexual abuse. And within the family setting there are no laws against it. The MAJORITY of women state they have been abused by their husbands. Honor killings of women are still allowed and “modesty codes” are strictly enforced. THERE ARE NO Hamas women soldiers. I am so sorry that the brainless try to create equality where none exist in order to cry about inequality!

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77% of Gaza deaths are men and children.