Does Marriage Civilize Men?

Excellent_You5494 · 2025-02-22T20:36:07+00:00

Men are civilized.

There is no debate.

NumerousStruggle4488 · 2025-02-22T20:48:35+00:00

Womansplaining

Sufficient-Hat9340 · 2025-02-22T20:40:28+00:00

So they are saying we aren’t civilized to begin with lol

Drakin5 · 2025-02-22T20:31:20+00:00

If civilize means 'tax slave', then yes.

Also, the writer mentioned Brad Wilcox in the article. Guess what happened to the video comments about it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EtvfHnZMcOY

Jalal_Adhiri · 2025-02-22T21:00:15+00:00

Men built civilizations

Men are keeping civilizations from falling apart

Speedy_KQ · 2025-02-22T21:42:28+00:00

This article appears to be trying to debunk a different more sexist article from another magazine.

Salamadierha · 2025-02-23T02:08:23+00:00

Men know about responsibilities. When they get married they collect a new set which they then proceed to keep up with. So no, marriage doesn't civlise men, it just gives men another way to show that they are responsible.
Then women who aren't responsible go and get a divorce because "he's not the same carefree guy I used to date".

mrmensplights · 2025-02-23T00:27:05+00:00

Civilized = bent into an unnatural pretzel, turned into a pack animal, a beast of burden, a utility. To be used up and then discarded.

Suspicious-Sleep5227 · 2025-02-22T20:19:20+00:00

I think the maturity process does that more so than marriage for men. It just looks like marriage civilizes men since marriage and maturity are occur concurrently. I think the only men who become civilized by marriage are those who fit the “bad boy” persona. As for the rest of us, our time is diverted to either parenthood (which often goes hand in hand with marriage though not always) or a lot of other things we’d rather not be doing.

liquor_up · 2025-02-22T20:22:38+00:00

walterwallcarpet · 2025-02-23T06:53:52+00:00

Much of the article seems to be the thesis that men are uncivilised because they ditch their friends after marriage, so I'd like to propose a possible explanation as to why this occurs. The first thing you discover about married life is that your wife hates your friends. Spending time with them becomes uncomfortable, as they're unwelcome in your own home, and there will be hell to pay if you mix with them outside the home. Saw it with my old man, but was too young to know what was going on. Experienced it myself with drinking, fishing and motorcycling buddies... but was too caught up in rearing kids and paying a mortgage to see the manipulation. Basically, I could see my friends or have inexplicable petulant silences and a waning sex life on my return. Only as you get older and see the pattern repeat does it begin to sink in. When the wife's younger sister tells her husband "Oh, we can't afford your motorcycle now," and he's forced to sell it. Then, that excuse didn't wash when his mother left him money. As soon as he bought another bike, she 'fell pregnant', and he was told that a motorcycle had no place in the life of a family man. Finally, I saw the same thing happen with our own elder son after his girlfriend moved in. If his friends called, she'd pick fights with them (or with their girlfriends, for a bit of variety). Put the emotional bite on him: "Why do you want to go out with them? If you really loved me, you'd stay here with me." So - he'd stay in, while she watched a succession of soap operas.

She was a really good-looking, intelligent girl (despite the soap opera addiction). But, he could see the future, it was a cage with invisible bars, and he walked away.

This female behaviour arises from mate-guarding. As does domestic violence, most of which is initiated by women. https://stevemoxon.co.uk/how-and-why-partner-violence-is-normal-female-behaviour-but-aberrational-male-behaviour/

My old man could have validated that latter point, when he came back home after defying mother's diktat that he couldn't go into town to see his friends on a Saturday night...

Pyotr_Griffanovich · 2025-02-23T19:08:06+00:00

I knew all I needed to know about the article the moment I saw her face.

RepeatMyNameBro · 2025-02-23T04:33:10+00:00

Marriages Aim to domesticate Men like they are Pets or something similar.

EriknotTaken · 2025-02-23T13:04:57+00:00

Reminds me of the quote

the normal man has good reason to feel apprehen- sive about the wedding ritual. It is essentially a woman' s initiation rite, in which a man is bound to feel like anything but a conquering hero.

beowulves · 2025-02-24T17:32:30+00:00

More like redirects some of their energy.

Adorable_Ad_5567 · 2025-02-23T02:55:00+00:00

It is not marriage that makes a man dedicate himself to a woman. It is when that woman nurtures his love to a point that there is no other who moves him in such a way. A hot body is nothing compared to a beautiful soul, that goes for both men and women. Yet, one must control their feelings for their love become possession, and their fear becomes their loneliness.

Former_Range_1730 · 2025-02-22T22:32:54+00:00

You already know what she's all about judging her picture alone, and her focus on psychology.

ShutupPussy · 2025-02-22T21:24:30+00:00

It sounds like nobody read the article. The title is response to a 2010 Atlantic piece and this author largely argues against the claims made. Congratulations on taking the bait.

Amazing_Paper_7384 · 2025-02-24T00:22:10+00:00

Yes end of discussion

BacchusAndHamsa · 2025-03-30T00:07:56+00:00

maybe wives tame husbands. I can't even drive slightly aggressively without hearing wimpering...

MisterHonkeySkateets · 2025-02-22T23:13:52+00:00

Dont lie, we’re animals. No need to deny it.

Sure, we play-act, and maybe we can evolve, but for meow, we’re dressed up simians with a goodly amount of potential.

Norfolt · 2025-02-23T04:02:44+00:00

I see the point: however it is indeed quite sexist.

DrJ0911 · 2025-02-23T00:51:36+00:00

It does make me run around the neighborhood shirtless, barefoot, with warpaint on, with a wooden shield, a sweet viking braid, plus my dog in a suit of armor and warpaint, and swinging an tomahawk…. LESS often.

She makes me unready for Valhalla. If my wife were to die, I would be ready for Valhalla.

Title	Does Marriage Civilize Men?
Author	Banake
Upvotes	124
Comments	46
Date	February 22, 2025 8:07 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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