Has anyone here actually noticed a positive change after moving away from a Western country especially when it comes to dating? In 2025, genuine femininity feels increasingly rare in the West. Curious if others have experienced a noticeable cultural shift elsewhere.

Vegetable_Ad1732 · 2025-05-27T01:49:41+00:00

In the West, even women who say they are not feminists, talk and think like feminists.

Some-Cup8043 · 2025-05-27T00:46:37+00:00

There's a reason the "passport bros" movement is a thing. If escaping the west works, in terms of dating sanity, I fully advocate for it. No reason for anyone to stay in a place they aren't appreciated

rocksnstyx · 2025-05-27T00:33:37+00:00

I have never dated outside of the west, however I have talked and flirted with women online outside of the west and its a night and day difference with how sociable and personable they are (Asian women especially). Its honestly made me consider looking for a partner that way, but I lack the financial resources to make it a possibility atm.

Kevidiffel · 2025-05-27T06:32:19+00:00

This question is better suited for r/AskMen or similar subreddits. This is a subreddit about Men's Rights.

No-Cartographer-476 · 2025-05-27T01:46:35+00:00

I have noticed a lot of my friends dating/marrying foreign born women who settled in the US. The common thread seems to be that they try harder, seem to want a family, and willing to do chores. In other words they seem to embody what men visualize as a partner when they use that word. In the west, when women say partner, it seems to mean ‘how do I get the most while doing the least.’

TubularBrainRevolt · 2025-05-27T08:36:58+00:00

It depends on what you are looking for and just remember, no culture is perfect. Non-Western cultures impose a lot of restrictions in the behavior of men as well. In a culture like that, the man has much more responsibilities to his woman compared to the West. You can’t fuck around without consequences. Women are also socialized to be much more submissive and accommodating to men, which won’t suit many modern Western men. I for one couldn’t be comfortable with it. Also those cultures are much more collectivist and family is much more important. If you marry a woman from there, you will also marry her extended family. Do you really want this? Also nowadays most of those countries have developed significantly and are catching up with the West. It isn’t like the stereotypical Cold War image of poor starving people who put the white man on a pedestal. Locals are tolerated less and less shit from entitled Westerners. Also because they tolerate you, it doesn’t necessarily mean they like you. Those cultures have more developed politeness than the West and Westerners are notorious for being unable to pick up covert signals of disapproval. I come from a culture halfway between core West and the East, and there is a stereotype that Westerners are stupid, more among the older generations. They don’t mean something about intelligence, rather than the inability to perceive the unwritten social rules. That is why Westerners are often scammed in those environments, particularly at the start of their acculturation. Just because you have money, doesn’t mean that you will do whatever you want. If you behave badly, the collectivist culture will band against you without you realizing. Also those people live on their land for thousands of years. They are sure of their roots and proud of their heritage. You will always be a foreigner to them, with both the positives and negatives of it.

oofieoofty · 2025-05-27T10:01:09+00:00

In asian countries mothers get full custody by default and there is no way to contest it.

BbyJ39 · 2025-05-27T00:58:43+00:00

As someone who married and divorced a woman who was born and raised in China, there’s no guarantee that dating outside of western culture will be any better or different. Just want to throw that out there. Different cultures, language barrier, it can bring a whole other set of issues. The best thing you can do is have a lot of money and then the world is your oyster. There are feminine and traditional women in the west as well. I’m just saying don’t believe everything you hear online. I’d wager most passport bros have money and that’s why they have success. Traveling and being an expat is expensive.

Islanderwithwings · 2025-05-27T01:46:49+00:00

Going overseas and discovering foreign women is part of the red pill awakening.

The core truth as to why foreign women are better, is because they are economically screwed over. They don't have section 8 programs, debt forgiveness, reckless handing out of student loans, abortion options, infinite money printer, ect...

They HAVE to be feminine and cooperative. So don't feel bad for taking advantage of the cards that are dealt to you.

I look at Foreign women as if I'm going to the buffet. They don't have a menu, it's 1 price, eat all you can. And you can pay later when you're done eating.

If you compare Foreign women to Western women, the gap difference is really wide.

ronstoppable7 · 2025-05-27T02:34:32+00:00

Are there European/Slavic countries that are good for dating, or are all of those destroyed by feminism as well?

IceCrystalSmoke · 2025-05-27T04:18:25+00:00

If you want genuine femininity then maybe you could look in religious stay at home mom homeschooler communities? They wear modest dresses, cook healthy meals, and believe that not honoring their husbands the way the church honors Jesus is sin.

Libitatu · 2025-05-27T04:08:36+00:00

I am from Russia and I am living with the love of my life. My gf is also russian. Sometimes I see bullshit on reddit or genderwar posts and get upset. But then I remember that it doesn't matter, because whatever I did - was right. And now I and my gf are happy together. So if any people on reddit wants to be miserable let them be.

bannit167 · 2025-05-27T04:26:48+00:00

I found and am actively dating an arab girl(im white). She cooks, she cleans, she gives me massages and basically is always DTF. I make a solid income as an engineer and take care of her. She's extremely feminine and traditional. Im the leader and she respects it. Marrying this one for sure. The dream still exists it's just getting harder to find. Im 35 now so it took me ~15 years of adulthood to find a good one. I would highly suggest focusing on your career to where you can be the sole bread winner and then finding a non American woman. I dated many American women and they are just a pain in the ass. If the woman ever identifies as a liberal feminist, hard pass.

lordDandas · 2025-05-27T10:40:42+00:00

I'm wondering. Are the relationships also as satisfying among the locals themselves ?

4444-uuuu · 2025-05-27T10:48:56+00:00

I don't have personal experience. But from what I've gathered, I don't think it's so much about "femininity" and more about the fact that dating is more balanced. In the West, dating is very one-sided with most young women expecting everything and contributing nothing. Women in other cultures still think that a relationship should be a partnership where both of you contribute and compromise when needed. And from what I've heard, a lot of the women who want to date a Westerner are actually less traditional and more egalitarian, which is one reason why they date outside of their own culture.

Also frankly, Western women are just a lot fatter than non-Western women.

captainhornheart · 2025-05-27T10:59:40+00:00

There are a lot of people here saying that women from outside the West are feminine and friendly because they want your money. As someone who's lived in Asia and is married to an Asian woman, I can confirm that there's a lot of that about, especially in the Philippines and Thailand. I would be very wary of women from those countries. There are too many stories of men losing everything - including their lives - because they fell for a woman from those countries. I've known many men who have married Thai women and not one marriage has survived long term. I'd be wary about Laos and to a lesser extent Vietnam too.

At the same time, however, Asian women are generally not infected with feminist ideas. They aren't afraid to trust men and be honest about their desires in the way that many Western women are. They are definitely more feminine and don't have this fixation with becoming men - they are happy to be women, and delight in all the things that men also like and admire about femininity. Many are very happy to have children and become housewives if their husbands can provide for them.

If you get a good partner - and that can be a big "if" - they are more feminine and come without the feminist baggage that Western women have. I can't speak for other areas of the world.

Outside-Barracuda237 · 2025-05-27T11:47:52+00:00

I've dated in the East when studying abroad and im engaged to a Singaporean woman. It's not the lack of feminity that's the issue. A lot of modern women in the East want the same level of respect and equal treatment that the women in the West want from feminism. They're not that reserved, docile or as submissive as people think they are. BUT they are far less selfish and degrading as partners when compared to Western women. They aren't afraid to show affection back and care about your emotional problems. Genuinely approach them as people and they are easy to date. (Even Korean women but I find they are harder to have them lower their distrust of men). TLDR women in the West get off on being bullies and treating all men as evil (And by the west i just mean the USA, I've dated women from Europe and south America and they have been lovely)

chrisfathead1 · 2025-05-27T02:17:32+00:00

You know how in America, like 50% of people believe all the right wing manospehere men's rights stuff? In Asia and Europe there's probably like 5-10% of people who wouldn't laugh at you for espousing those beliefs. You are extremely unlikely to find a country outside of America where there are as many women who support what you're looking for. Any woman in Asia or Europe who pretends to is looking at you like their ticket out of poverty. At least in America they're already here so you know you're not a ticket to get here

dudester3 · 2025-05-27T04:58:12+00:00

STEM fields boys, and a rock-hard prenup

Rough_Maintenance306 · 2025-05-27T07:48:14+00:00

Outside of the West, there are social consequences for not adhering to gender roles. They know what’s going on in the west because they have internet. If you don’t want to get screwed over, you’re best staying where you met her.

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