Why are we like this?

Rare-Discipline3774 · 2025-07-04T00:36:48+00:00

Systemic oppression against men keeps them apart.

You live in a world where society has deemed groups of men a threat, whether it's simple fraternization, or unionization.

Where male groups cannot exist publicly without suspicion of of sexism, while female groups can openly discriminate.

You live in a world where male oppression, both modern and historical, individual and systemic, are denied or ignored.

We are not biologically predisposed to this, we are biologically predisposed to logos, and have been told for the last 4 generations that competition is a masculine, but that is not historically accurate.

-Jamestown Colony-good example The original expedition was entirely made of men, who settled in extremely harsh conditions, and survived until the next group came, while many died- they were men largely ill equipped and unskilled for the what they needed, and still did survive and built a permanent settlement. All in the first year (though the conditions didn't get much better when the women and second group arrived).

-Groups of 1000s of men marched side to side in unison in old armies.

-Etc

Men historically had no issues that women wouldn't have in teams or groups.

Our common identities have been dissolved between feminist misandry and revisionism, and political need for control.

wumbo-inator · 2025-07-04T00:27:17+00:00

The reason men are divided is because they are politically homeless. You said yourself that women support feminism because it helps them. Feminism is a main component of the Democrat platform and leftist politics. Which side has a mainstream platform for gender equality for men? Neither.

Their options are the left, which is the side of the feminist movement that oppresses men and has used their 100% control on the conversation on gender equality to make sure men are left behind

And the right, which pushes the same gender roles that caused the issues in the first place.

For a real men’s movement to occur, it will have to be through the deconstruction of gender roles, which is what feminism did with women. But this is a leftist position, and again, feminists control this position and make sure men don’t get gender equality.

The cultural evolution that has to occur for men to finally get gender equality doesn’t happen because feminism consistently blocks it in order to preserve female privilege and male oppression.

So men are either pushed to the right, or have to exist with the left that expressly hates them.

The right doesn’t care about men’s issues either, but the solution to men’s issues isn’t on the right in the first place. It’s on the left. So it’s the fault of feminism for blocking gender equality for men. It’s the progressive perspective that is supposed to deconstruct gender roles. Conservative perspectives conserve, which means maintaining the traditional gender roles. Therefore, it’s the responsibility of the left, and therefore, the left’s fault for choosing feminism (female privilege and male oppression) instead of gender equality.

brahdz · 2025-07-04T01:30:09+00:00

Women do not all agree.

SquaredAndRooted · 2025-07-04T00:25:45+00:00

This is the classic innocent question post designed to farm karma through male vs male unity debates and gender generalizations.

Seen this formula so many times now. OP’s other posts literally ask "Why are you lonely?" , "I NNEEEEED KARMA PLEASE GIVE ME SOME" and "Is being gay a mental illness?" - so take this with a giant salt shaker.

My take - Men aren't nearly as divided as people think. It’s feminists who’ve splintered into countless competing groups - radfems, libfems, sex-posi, SWERFs, TERFs, tradwives turned feminists and so on. Lol

But sure, let's act like only men have this problem. 🙃

Smeg-life · 2025-07-03T22:53:20+00:00

I'm probably wrong but i always see it as

If you have a group of men to solve a physical issue, they will work together really well and succeed.

If you ask a group of men to solve an abstract issue there will be less positive results.

In addition I need my job, have kids to support as a single dad and don't want to risk it as being perceived as 'anti women'. Women don't face the same consequences and don't normally have the same level of responsibilities.

alter_furz · 2025-07-04T00:40:00+00:00

Corporations keep people pitted against each other so they can keep robbing everybody uninterrupted, while different social groups are too busy hating on their neighbors

Corporations control land, housing, narrative, data, what is considered "the norm"

Former_Range_1730 · 2025-07-04T04:56:02+00:00

A few things:

"I think all women generally agree with feminism, which helps them so it is smart. And in their online communities they are always supportive of each other. And in their online communities they are always supportive of eachother."

First, no, not all women agree with feminists, as feminists tend to fight for a particular demographic of women, and alienates the others.

"and men in real life are very quick to throw their brothers under the bus for whatever gain there, "

Not really. A demographic of men do this, but not all. I avoid those like you describe.

Working_Parsley_2364 · 2025-07-04T06:30:50+00:00

All women agreeing with feminism is NOT true at all, there are plenty of women who oppose feminism, you just won't see them anywhere in the media or in the public space.

ronstoppable7 · 2025-07-04T16:43:16+00:00

It's cheesy, but I'm going to say what is the first step anyone can do toward helping men's problems.

Getting them to follow this sub to spread awareness and grow numbers 😄

We can't do anything if we dont grow numbers to a critical mass. Look at how few followers there are in here compared to the other toxic subs.

LumpyAbbreviations24 · 2025-07-03T22:59:01+00:00

Because of nature

clouddog-111 · 2025-07-03T23:14:26+00:00

THIS!!

DJack276 · 2025-07-04T01:04:07+00:00

Personally, I feel that because we are divided, we are more united. Let me explain.

Men ALLOW disagreement amongst each other, and therefore a broader range of opinions are allowed amongst us. This may make us seem "divided" but in reality we are all included even if we have to agree to disagree.

Feminism (and most women) has a narrow mindset and only allows for certain opinions. Therefore they are united under the premise that they live in an echo chamber and exclude even the slightest of difference of opinion.

Present_Cable5477 · 2025-07-04T00:25:10+00:00

Men divide themselves into factions. You have one group against another. Can't trust some set of men because their beliefs are different than mine.

Women band together to extract resources from a group of males, it's in their genetics.

SodaBoBomb · 2025-07-04T04:09:07+00:00

Women support women first. Meaning, it doesn't matter if the woman is right. It matters that she's a woman. They will say (and often believe) that the woman is correct, but they arrived at that conclusion based not on any evidence but on the fact that they subconsciously support women over men.

Men support whoever they deem correct, regardless of their gender. Or, they support the woman, because White Knights exist.

boxey3212 · 2025-07-04T06:57:12+00:00

I have a feeling that men are what degen women once were cause of society and how it wasn’t the best for them, like just look at all female based products and commercials which represented them compared to men the last 100 years. We are on the come up for “male feminism” but we’re just degening. I think it’s all over for the true concept of brothership like it once was for thousands of years we’re endorsing all this positivity crap which is societies excuse to allow degen behaviour. This will collective affect us in mass. The 60’s to now was just cope for men and we cracked meanwhile most women have been collectively societally been degening for more than that. Anyone agree?

michaelpaoli · 2025-07-04T07:02:55+00:00

all women generally agree with feminism

No, but many that do are loud about it, and those that don't, are often quiet, or drowned out by the volume of others.

men have no sembelence of a common goal or a brotherhood, each faction in male online spaces hates the other, and men in real life are very quick to throw their brothers under the bus

Uhm, no, much more of a mixed bag than that ... though alas, sure, yes, that's also in the mix.

Tiger4ever89 · 2025-07-04T08:32:51+00:00

There is an old saying ''if the Fox can't reach the grapes, she will say they are sour''

Women agreeing with feminism bcuz feminism doesn't have a clear path.. nor an answer.. it's full of contradictions and they don't practice what they preach

it gave beautiful women more ego boost and attention

and ugly ones more reason to hate men and blame them for everything

Us men? of you start talking about your issues.. you are considered weak (some will be empathetic towards you) but they will put you down and use that against you

i think calling out bad behaviour is the only way. as a school student, you are not praised for the good projects but schooled for the bad ones.. that means, in this world people only care about the bad things you do.. and by that standard. if you don't call out bad behaviour, it will become the new ''good''

Complete-Junket-8209 · 2025-07-04T12:28:51+00:00

Women aren't scared to voice their feminist views but some men are scared of what people may think when they voice their opinions of course we have men who aren't but this can create a block through the male gender because it seems if you aren't classing yourself as a feminist that makes you automatically a misogynist in a lot of peoples eyes today now maybe I could be wrong but this is my theory

World-Three · 2025-07-04T14:41:58+00:00

Expectations...

Men are expected to live alone, not be a mommas boy, have survival skills, be independent, have a surplus of income, and ultimately be his own entity. No super close friends, no group ideals, nothing to protect or serve except his family.

Because men are tasked to be individuals, they pick up qualities or traits that compliment what they were taught. Could be anything. Blue pill, red pill, black, simp, "alpha male"... Likely a unique mix of everything, coated in whatever he thinks girls like.

That disconnect makes men easy to manipulate. If one girl came to say something, 30 men will have 30 different feelings. While if one man said something to women, typically one woman will speak for all of them, or they'll just come together to give a collective answer. Or if it's online, they'll just ban him...

In short, because every man is different, the idea for what "Men's Rights" is, is different for everyone, and coming together makes men less of individuals, and that ultimately means, less of a man... While feminism is basically a pile of gold that women can use whenever they want. And most people can agree that gold is good.

New-Distribution6033 · 2025-07-07T19:40:43+00:00

Women don't tell you that most women agree with feminism.

Feminists do.

women are just as mixed and varied as men when it comes to ideologies.

MaleEducation1 · 2025-07-03T23:08:57+00:00

I'll be honest, in my opinion, there are lot of things that are biologically hard coded and you can not change them.

The fact men are disposable and instantly seen as threats is not something that can be changed. Trying to do so would be a waste of time and resources.

Trying to make everyone of the same sex come together as one is also something quite silly in my opinion because if that was the case, we would probably not need to have any countries at all. There might also be no wars.

Which is why I find the "men create patriarchy" theory to be really stupid. A bunch of societies, many of them completely separated form each other for thousands of years, happened to have virtually the exact same system?

It's best to be more pragmatic and to focus more on what can be done. We can never have a perfect world whether you like it or not.

We are a small minority group and we should try our best to help each other out. It'll be impossible to get most people to agree to our views due to biology, so it's not worth it.

LadyReaperBirdy · 2025-07-11T01:53:17+00:00

Lmao! No. Women are not supportive of each other and sisters are not always tight-knit. A lot of mothers are jealous of their daughters and hate them. The girls girls shit you see on social media is all show. Most women I've met in real life who call themselves girls girls will stab you in the back.

My sisters are the last people I can trust.

Sorry to break it to ya, but humans just suck and people don't care about you. Humans are naturally selfish.

That's why I prefer animals. Animals are my only loves in this world.

Consistent_Move_8778 · 2025-09-16T19:42:56+00:00

not all women agree on feminism. I can tell you that just straight up, so many people have different views, heck some absolutely oppose for what it stands for

Devilish_Advocator · 2025-07-04T03:24:44+00:00

Life on earth is just groups of men fighting each other for land, resources, and to protect their society and beliefs.

The division amongst men is normal in this context. But Women divide men to gain power over other men. In recent history, It started with women’s right to vote. Having two votes divided the households political beliefs. Over time they continued to indoctrinate feminism and political ideologies into little boys and girls to where it is their normal worldview.

This divided men amongst each other because some men would actually switch to feminism just to probably keep the peace within the household and with their wives. Now it’s to keep the peace in schools and online.

Women need weaker men on their side to out-vote the stronger ones out of power and continue the pussification of society until it eventually collapses. You can see the clear demographic difference in the left (women and younger, generally weaker men) a the people on the right (usually masculine types of men with more traditional women who respect men)

TheKosherGenocide · 2025-07-04T05:46:49+00:00

Because I'm for Men's rights, but I'm not about to claim victimhood status 25x a day like half the mf's on here. We are not the oppressed. Sure, we're done dirty in a multitude of ways, but some of them are controllable. You don't have to date psychotic women, you don't have to have children, you don't have to serve in the military just because your life sucks (unless there's a draft, which good luck to the government getting enough Gen Z and Alpha in that bitch), you don't have to fuck your teachers, you don't have to do anything.. You're a god damned man, act like it. Be good men, set good examples for boys and younger men, and give them empowerment and agency earlier. They are capable.

TypicalNPC · 2025-07-04T05:24:52+00:00

Women band together for survival. Individually they are not strong. A woman on her own cannot harm a man physically, and sometimes socially. But a group of women can land a man in jail for life, or ruin his social image. Women's strength lies in social power.

Men are individually strong and even stronger as a collective, which is why they are constantly attacked socially, and cannot have their own private groups or community's. Male strength in numbers is generally feared by many organizations.

The biggest thing holding men back is the unspoken competition against one another, which makes it harder for them to band together, especially when a woman is present. The constant pursuit of wealth and status is also another key factor.

rusty083 · 2025-07-04T01:17:24+00:00

Probably goes back thousands of years to how we evolved as a species. Men were out in the bush killing each other whilst women were together sharing baby raising tips.

I actually believe there is a sense of brotherhood along most men however most are ashamed or embarrassed to express it. Societally there is a big stigma against being pro male or MRA because it runs contrary to the dominant feminist narratives about men being born assholes and inherently toxic. So anyone who questions or challenges these are derided as misogynists, latent homosexuals or chronic masturbators.

Additionally the “patriarchy” is concentrated into a few elite powerful policies and media tycoons who literally don’t give a fuck about men and will willingly echo feminists talking points to appeal to female voters.

The good news is it seems the younger generations of males are awake to the bias, unfairness and overt discrimination towards men, but so far the movement lacks a suitable moral and intellectual leaders to take on the misandrist establishment.

Title	Why are we like this?
Author	Mytharium
Upvotes	67
Comments	59
Date	July 3, 2025 8:57 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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