Seduction works best when you drop it

LavaDragon3827 · 2025-09-15T01:50:24+00:00

Yeah dont be too try hardy and needy. And you win automatically most your encounters.

miyass_miyass · 2025-09-15T06:20:47+00:00

So you had fun with some people in your social circle once.

Great, I’m glad you had fun.

But how is this enough data to draw broad conclusions on seduction?

As for your last paragraph, in social circle it is much easier to have girls give you “signs” and such because they have more time to warm up to you. In cold approach this simply doesn’t exist.

venividivitis · 2025-09-15T08:28:13+00:00

When you postpone indicating interest or doing something that urges her to make up her mind (putting your arm around her, going in for the kiss), initially interested or neutral women can become disinterested.

BurnItDownSR · 2025-09-15T09:35:57+00:00

Seduction works best when you're not too lazy to actually learn it.

Anyone who has actually retained all the lessons from start to finish from a reputable source instead of only retaining the trendy shit like, "If you don't want to become a friend don't treat her like a friend" will have great success at dating.

The problem with the community is not the material, its the people in it being so lazy they only want to memorise quotes instead of learning real lessons.

DreamShort3109 · 2025-09-15T02:57:23+00:00

You know what? You’re right. You will be happy if you drop seduction.

No more worrying about what women think or trying to read body language.

Forget seduction. Live your life man.

Matter_Still · 2025-09-15T04:53:34+00:00

“Unless she really likes you, this ( i.e.; “showing romantic/sexual interest”) will always play against you (and even when she likes you, giving her control over you will probably turn her off too).

No. Not true.

Does a girl showing interest in you—perhaps touching your hair or saying you have nice eyes—“play against her”? Does it give you control over her.

This absolute is just one more variation of Mystery’s ill-conceived maxim that expressing interest is to be avoided, when, in fact, as proven in the countless biographies and correspondences of legendary lovers, the opposite is often the case: expressed interest can be very seductive.

No-Dot-7661 · 2025-09-15T13:32:07+00:00

I don't know man.

I literally spoke to a woman last night who I went out with a few days ago and she was telling me how she thought I didn't like her. She was legit sad because she's used to guys being all over her and I didn't even make any moves on her.

Turns out she's a freak though and I'll be seeing her again tonight.

I'm now wondering if all my first date failures came down to me just not being sexual enough and these women thought I didn't like them.

Illustrious_Size610 · 2025-09-15T17:32:13+00:00

I would rather escalate because it's how i feel, and because i feel arousal or the impulse to escalate that's the only reason i need to do it, not because i think she wants to, but because i wanna be honest with where i am no matter the outcome.

So for me it's i verbalize the risk: "If i escalate now, she might lose interest or react badly" and then i say "and yet, im going to do it anyway" because that's me in that moment, it's what i want, and because i want it, I act.

Because im not doing things based on what someone expects, but on being true to myself and my desires no matter the outcome. In other words, i chose the path of authenticity over restraining myself or trying to be calculative or being stuck in my head over-analysing signals.

And if a woman is into it great, if not also great. But this attitude usually works better in my favour than when i have to be careful waiting for signals or interpreting them and being stuck by paralysis by analysis.

I'd rather be in touch with my what my heart and body wants and base my behaviour on that energy than on what my brain tells me i should or shouldn't do based on a rational analysis of a situation which more often than not does not really follow any consistent logic at all.

A woman that's attracted can lose interest when a guy hesitates too much due to him not being sure if she wants to or not before he makes a decision. So i don't do what she expects or wants me to, i do what i want when i want.

And this doens't mean forcing myself on them, i still ask for consent in a way that's flirty and smooth. But that's the point i don't pretend to not be interested, when in reality I am interested because that would make me fake, manipulative and dishonest, like:

"Hey i like you, i'm attracted to you, but im gonna pretend that i don't feel any attraction at all when im with you and instead i will be acting like your platonic best friend, when that's not really why i am here and i know it damn well".

The idea that showing desire is giving her power or something is bullshit expressed by Mystery method, the believ that first you must pretend like you don't like a woman convince her that you don't feel any interest, until she starts showing interest and then do a compelte 180 and act like im interested once she has showed interet. This is fake, manupulative, adn counterproductive more often than not.

Lastly, you are doing a fallacy when you say "showing interest if she is not interested leads to be turned off or rejection" well in my experience showing interest in the right way can makke her go from not so interested to suddenly aroused and turned on due to emotional contagion. When you express desire in such a visceral vivid way, more often than not women feel that sexual tension which draws them in provided you doing it right without making her feel like you want to get something from her.

You are inviting her to feel what you feel without negotiating if she has to give you something or validate it or naything and that is stimulating to women more often than not. the idea that if you are direct with women you cannot get laid is extremely false. The idea that you can only be sexually direct if she is giving sings of attraction is also extremely false.

Inevitable_Branch720 · 2025-09-16T14:49:26+00:00

I agree 1000%. I spent two years struggling with rejection, getting no results when I was showing sexual interest upfront . No clue why that concept is so widespread .

Here Is what worked for me: 1. An accidental spontaneous approach: a narrative that explains why I talk to her, other than " I like you " 2. Progressive framing: escalation inside of the interaction rather than at the beginning.

Making sure you have" social reciprocity" first before anything else. She has to respect you and consider you as a potential part of her life before you start being sexual.

Racked up monthly lays in the double digits using that method. And I'm exclusively doing Daygame. Works better internationally as well, this year I have been to Europe, Asia , and Australia. same results.

But it's not traditional "indirect" game though. It includes body language and the things you do before you even tell to her .

Not sure if I should span this thread but feel free to DM if you have questions.

ThatDarnSmell · 2025-09-16T16:56:11+00:00

Much of the old PUA movement was cult mantra. Guys pretty much all built a new persona where they all acted alike, dressed alike and talked in the same coded language from Mystery Method. You could go on any dating site and flip the search settings to women seeking men and the PUA guys would stick out like sore thumbs as they all had the same cliche trope profiles and were basically PUA hipsters with no originality.

A decent chunk of that old scene was incel types from the bodybuilding misc forum and 4chan. The "gurus" were no better with women than their students, they just understood internet marketing and how to sucker lonely guys out of money. Much of the content was built around manipulation and deceit through performance and showmanship as Mystery was a magician; he realized the easiest con to get women into bed for him was through theatrics, rehearsed routines and gimmicks. The movement rightfully faded away and has not aged well.

Chrome_Quixote · 2025-09-15T18:41:45+00:00

Yea this is limited to a group you are already familiar with. With cold approach you try to escalate and not be seen as a friend. If they resist or act like a stick in the mud then you can either forget them or dial it back and then try again later.

No doubt many guys get laid from social circles, especially if they have desirable qualities like looks and social game. Then with the familiarity the girls will start making advances like you experienced. It is nice when that happens but it can be slow to happen and might also burn certain friend groups if you get with too many of them

Electrical-Farm8527 · 2025-09-16T01:08:38+00:00

I appreciate the post because it explains why,” people I like don’t like me and people I don’t like like me,” saying. I think the thing is when you see something you like your more prone to lock in on it and forget how to actually cultivate a calm, non-needy and enjoyable interaction

epimpstyle · 2025-09-15T08:29:12+00:00

I'm starting to realise that a man doesn't have to show romantic or sexual interest first.

You’ve just reinvented the wheel, next thing you’ll tell me is that the sky is blue.

Title	Seduction works best when you drop it
Author	srosete
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Date	September 14, 2025 11:55 PM UTC (11 months ago)
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