We should help incels and not bully them

Salmonroe_Sushi · 2021-03-21T09:22:46+00:00

Eyy honestly valid point young gun, valid point... you’re age ain’t got nothing to do with it; it’s just a solid point no matter how you observe it.

YouSaidChicken · 2021-03-21T10:07:32+00:00

I feel bad for incels, although not because they can't get relationships they want, but because of their unrealistic view of reality.

It is the think as a milkshake thirst for pussy they have. You'd think people chronically addicted to porn and masturbation wouldn't be so obsessed with chasing pussy, but it is what it is.

As they age, that urge will be burnt out of them.

Heavenonearth12 · 2021-03-21T12:28:59+00:00

I dont know, they are full of self-hatred. It just hard to get to them. Until they get over it and see that life is more than just women, I wish they could see the positivities through darkness.

oedipusplatypus · 2021-03-21T12:20:59+00:00

As men, we should try to guide them. To what extent is your own choice. Still, there will be a percentage of them who will find themselves. The ship is sinking, boys. Get everyone on the lifeboats.

aldrri · 2021-03-21T14:18:27+00:00

Incels look down on MGTOW

MeisterMGTOW · 2021-03-21T13:41:56+00:00

Oh dear god, this again ....

Everything MGTOW has been invaded by these incel-fucktards.

They are mentally ill people who don’t want to be helped.

2021-03-21T16:32:59+00:00

Dude, you are 15. So, seize this opportunity to build your life. Save your money, don't be too flamboyant or exaggerated in your tastes, etc. women will suck you dry financially. They are raised and programmed to do so.

I tell my sons the same thing.

snowen776 · 2021-03-21T13:39:31+00:00

Some people clearly weren't bullied enough.

omen_tenebris · 2021-03-21T14:39:40+00:00

Try to help incels is no less a futile exercise than trying to convince a fanatic of the error of their ways

randomroxks · 2021-03-21T12:28:48+00:00

Any help given when the recipient is not ready to receive and appreciate it, will be rejected and ridiculed

ScrewJita · 2021-03-21T13:57:07+00:00

Hey there. Used to be a major-league Incel/White-Knight, despite having Chad looks. Here's the problem.

First, let me state that the vast majority of Incels are politically liberal, and don't think of themselves as Incels. An Incel and a White-Knight are virtually identical in attitude. They Incel simply knows that he's screwed. This makes him better off, realistically.

Incels are consumed with a victim-ideology, nihilistic in the extreme. They have pride, believe it or not, and that pride leads them want the world to change, rather than adapting to it. I always felt like "sticking to my guns" ideologically, was the right thing to do. I was raised with the feminist-like belief that I was fine just the way I was, and was "waiting for the world to change" (what a goddamn simp song). I simply did not understand that I was capable of improving my life. I was a people-pleaser, and got used all throughout my life. It was literally conditioned-helplessness.

This is the problem with Incels. They have no faith in themselves, no faith in the gods, no faith in ANYTHING, except the idea that there is a woman out there who can magically transform them into a man. They are often delusional, continually thinking of a make-believe "big picture", rather than focusing on their own daily lives. For this reason, many many MANY of them decide to adopt feminism as an ideology (no shit!) because "Women come first!"

Remember the BLM/Anti-fa riots last summer. Most of those guys were Unknowing Incels (White-Knights). I shit you not.

The Incels of the Manosphere are simply more aware of gynocentrism, male disposability and such. And they basically get stuck in the Redpill Rage.

Now my own Redpill Rage lasted for a solid two years. I'm starting to come out of it (thankfully) and no longer walk around pissed-off all the time. I think most Knowing-Incels follow suit, eventually.

Eventually, though, this particular White-Knight went MGTOW, because MGTOW is a ultimately a positive, pro-active, and self-enabling attitude. My life is honestly pretty damn good right now, largely because even during the Redpill Rage, I was planning for when the Rage ended. And those plans paid off big.

MGTOW saves Incels.

pewdsxtseries · 2021-03-21T13:58:56+00:00

Go your own way. We are not some movement like feminazism.

aldrri · 2021-03-21T14:41:01+00:00

i think you're misunderstanding what MGTOW is if you're here to talk about incels

kissyoursister · 2021-03-21T16:13:51+00:00

It doesn’t matter, because incels would bully the piss out of you and everyone on this subreddit. Before IWH got banned I stay subscribed to that place just to casually browse and read all these postings from a warped reality to me, and I have seen comment after comment shitting on MGTOW and anybody in it.

Incels believe that MGTOW are pathetic and are all just incels in denial. Granted, I believe this take to be false because I’m very much not an incel (kinda dropping MGTOW affiliation too because who really cares) and this is just a generalization.

But yeah, incels are like realllyyyyy low, so they try to drag you down to their level of self-loathing and disgust.

2021-03-21T16:29:13+00:00

Incels should help themselves. Tons of information online. Some people are just too lazy and would rather feel sorry for themselves.

Prince_Austino · 2021-03-22T05:22:12+00:00

Exactly. Most don't have many friends and the ones they do drag them down even further

GullibleAirport732 · 2021-03-21T13:36:21+00:00

I'm from Pakistan, and seeing incels in Western society breaks my heart. B/c I know we didn't have strict monogamy and arranged marriages here, if promiscuity was rampant here like in Western societies, I would've ended up an incel too. I'm 22M and virgin due to religious reasons, but at least I have a chance.

Given the nature of divorce and child custody laws in the West, I realize the reason you guys choose this path. I respect your decision. But I can't help but feel somewhat sad that the situation in your societies has reached this extent.

As for incels, yes please do help them out. They receive enough hate from your society already.

famcz · 2021-03-21T15:09:41+00:00

The main problem with the incel community is that they are usually not willing to look inward in order to better themselves. Every problem in their lives is due to an external factor and not because of an internal shortcoming. Although I am an incel, I do not participate in their community because I realize that many of the issues I have are self inflicted, regardless of female nature. Instead, I follow the mgtow community because this community promotes self betterment in order to live your best life, without regard for societal expectations. Now I'm not saying never help an incel in need, but realize that most of the time, they don't want to listen because they are disconnected from reality.

TraehNoil · 2021-03-21T15:35:36+00:00

Sometimes you gotta give someone a little shit in order to help them

paper_cutt · 2021-03-21T15:39:19+00:00

Sounds good, doesn't work

GlitchyBlasphemer · 2021-03-21T15:44:26+00:00

No.

Look if you want to start an outreach program and other dudes here feel like joining then whatever. It’s your path, so it’s none of my business. But since your looking for a discussion on it I’ll speak my piece on the matter.

It already didn’t work. When r/Incel caught the Reddit boot, they flooded r/Mgtow and where welcomed in like refugees. It’s also what effectively ruined r/Mgtow. Those dudes are angry at women beyond a red pill rage stage. They won’t and don’t calm down with time and move on. They are angry at not being able to reap the benefits of the plantation they wish to serve. You’ll have less luck with them than with the rest of the blue pilled dudes, and make no mistake incels are bluepilled.
Why are you accusing everyone here of bullying incels? I don’t know if your projecting or what, but I don’t recall a hail of posts shitting on incels. So I don’t know why you’re using a shame tactic against us to try to further your goals by painting “them” as the victim of “our” abuse.

All in all, it’s a hard pass from me. You do you.

Impossible-asset · 2021-03-21T16:26:36+00:00

OP, what you need to understand about incels is that they are mentally ill. There is a difference between "involuntarily celibate"; i.e Someone who would like to have sex but has not had the opportunity or means to do it; and INCELS as the common internet parlance has abbreviated it.

INCELS are mentally ill because they feel they are owed acceptance from women, that being done via sex. Which, on the face of it is moronic because nobody "owes" anyone else sex.

But they also very often suffer from one or more perceived "flaws" that they wallow in, examples being: bad genes, too fat or too thin, the angle of their eyes, being socially awkward, having off-putting interests, hygiene issues, and pick-whatever-problem.

Instead of working on the things they can change, they DEMAND thay women accept them with all their flaws. And they very often do not want to date a woman who would be on par with them in the looks department. No, they feel entitled to the high school lead cheerleader or the prom queen.

Incels are also very angry that the object of their affection (the young healthy, sexually nubile woman, aka "Stacy") would want to get with the young, healthy, strong and confident man they refer to as Chad. In a mildly racist variation, Chad is sometimes replaced with the name Tyrone, who is in turn usually a gang-banger, drug dealer, convict, rapper, all of the above stereotype. Incels feel a great deal of jealousy and anger towards both Chad and Tyrone because of their escapades with Stacy.

The thing is, if any woman DID show an interest in them, they would reject her for being not good enough or for having something wrong with them because they have a "if she wants me, there must be something wrong with her," EVEN IF the woman was a "Stacy".

So they stew in this circle of anger, frustration, and validation they get from other incels, and round and round the circle goes. They advocate for things like legalizong rape, pedophilia, and sexual slavery.... in other words, INCELS are batshit-off-the-hilt-crazy.

They pollute every single place they enter.

Now.... MGTOW on the other hand. ... MGTOW are not incels. Because MGTOW give 0 fucks about Stacy, Chad, Tyrone, who is fucking who or not fucking who. A man who chooses a MGTOW lifestyle is going to be more interested in bettering himself towards a goal. He uses the resources that he would have otherwise spent on women to achieve those goals. He safeguards his assets from society and the courts by not getting married, not living with a woman. And not entering into any contract with anyone who would benefit by breaking the contract.

Incels often want to call themselves mgtow. Reddit made the mistake of closing down their little toxic sub-reddit, and so the float from sub to sub, looking to latch on and spray their bullshit.

And, very simply, that will not be allowed here.

There is a difference between being critical of women in a rational discussion (for example, an OP posting an article or a video and wanting to talk about it with other participants), and just posting "vaginas are the root of all things evil".

Incels are not welcome on this sub. Because you can't have rational discussions with insane people.

akihonj · 2021-03-21T17:07:22+00:00

I agree with impossible-asset here but want to add and go further in saying that we do help, indirectly, we do provide the guidance and advice for all men regardless of what labels they use.

That advice is to forget about relationships, to focus on your own goals, to forego a relationship that ultimately is most likely going to be your own undoing.

To view a relationship in a transactional sense, to run the cost benefit analysis of what a relationship can give you versus what you stand to lose. You wouldn't buy a car under the contract you have to sign for a marriage.

You wouldn't buy a car under the contract that you unknowingly, often, enter into when you start a relationship with say, a single mother.

We arm all men regardless of stripes, colour, religion, beliefs etc. The tools are the same because the laws are ever more becoming the same regardless.

The big thing with the incel community is that very often they are like spoilt whiny children, they get told not to put their hand into the fire over and over again. Well at some point you as the adult have to stand back and let them burn their fingers because that's the only way some people will learn.

Here's the wider point then, when the knowledge is out there and the truth is being told, if somebody wants to ignore that then there really isn't much more that can be done.

Added to that mgtow rarely if ever outside of online communities actually openly speak out, we tend to keep to our own world's, preferring to have friends that we can socialise with but painting the target on our backs, and through doing that we get to live good full lives without the drama and stress that wen bring.

We then teach and show by example. Again then if somebody wants to ignore that, then as much as I'm going my way, it falls to me to allow them to go theirs, I have no more right as mgtow to tell another mgtow what their life should look like than I have an incel.

The fact that they generally tend to ignore the reality and in turn ignore us, makes it an almost impossible situation.

TheApricotCavalier · 2021-03-21T18:17:58+00:00

Good luck with it; I expect it to blow up in your face

Squiddy-the-wise · 2021-03-22T01:28:47+00:00

I’ve tried to have conversations with incels. Honestly they don’t want help and are stuck in the extreme anger phase

MatingAdvice · 2021-03-24T09:49:48+00:00

They don't want to be helped.

UnearthlyDinosaur · 2021-03-21T16:12:17+00:00

Incels are often disrespectful if you disagree with them. Their thirst for pussy outweighs brotherhood.

HybridSexual415 · 2021-03-22T03:22:58+00:00

Bullying incels is helping. It makes them tough. Helping incels will make them soft like a boy raised by a single mother.

Title	We should help incels and not bully them
Author	aldrri
Upvotes	88
Comments	77
Date	March 21, 2021 9:15 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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