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AVFMS Mega-Post: 10 Reasons False Rape Accusations are Common

Jonathan_Taylor

July 22, 2014

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Title	AVFMS Mega-Post: 10 Reasons False Rape Accusations are Common
Author	Jonathan_Taylor
Upvotes	103
Comments	96
Date	July 22, 2014 1:12 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]TracyMorganFreeman15 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Methodius_11 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I think #8 is quite possibly the worst of this list. Politicians and school officials keep finding new ways to define sexual encounters as rape. It used to be simple: guy knocks a girl out, obviously rape. Girl is passed out. Obviously rape. Girl says no and guy forces her. Obviously rape. Everything else? Not rape. But now we've got affirmative consent. We have to worry about whether the guy was physically stronger than her (and let's face it: most of the time that will be the case, so basically any time a guy is stronger than a woman, it can be considered coerced sexual contact and thus, rape).

It's getting to the point where it's basically dangerous for a man to have sex, because if a woman genuinely wants you in jail for rape, she can find any of a dozen reasons to try and claim it was rape.

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Adopt a policy that a woman’s consent is not valid if the person she accused of rape “is perceived as more powerful” than the accuser.

Quotes from the links:

Duke University's sexual consent policy: "Real or perceived power differentials between individuals may create an unintentional atmosphere of coercion."
Vassar College: "If someone uses their position of power or authority to coerce or manipulate someone into saying yes"

Good luck proving you didn't use your power to coerce that girl into having sex with you.

Loyola Marymount University, under the heading "Consent is:": "Only possible when there is equal power."

Granted, they don't define power as "physical strength". But most definitions also say "power or authority", implying that power does in fact mean physical strength, as opposed to authority.

So basically, if you're a man and you're having sex with a girl you could overpower? She could accuse you of rape if she wanted to, under those definitions.

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"you just take cops words for it"

If I was just taking cops' word for it I wouldn't have given 9 other reasons. But their word is indeed worth more than most academics, especially in an age when most faculty in the humanities either behave or aspire to act like the faculty at Duke University. You remember that bigoted band of 88, don't you? They spoke for 5 academic departments and ten academic programs when they publicly convicted the three falsely accused young men in 2006.

I don't trust them, at all. Nor do I trust the other spineless sycophants elsewhere in academia that would serve up their principles on a platter so as not to offend them.

You act as though academia cannot possibly be compromised by groupthink or prejudices. If that's the case, you are so blind.

Also, many of the police and prosecutors I quoted were women. Don't like it? Deal with it.

You're quoting Slate? Really? You might as well be quoting Fox News on immigration policy.

"It seems like you want the evidence to be sky high for a rape conviction."

Only counting an accusation as false when accusers recant (see the Kanin study) is not a low bar. It's actually a very high one.

[–]FallingSnowAngel-4 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Jonathan_Taylor9 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You ignored why they were recanting.

They weren't "threatened." But hey, if you're a Feminist everything is a threat, isn't it?

They were given a deal to walk free, which is actually a privilege compared to what most men get. When men get offered a plea deal in exchange for a confession, they get a reduced sentence. They don't get to walk free, unlike these "oppressed" women.

They polygraphed both the accuser and the accused. If you think they "threatened" the accuser, then you need to bring your evidence. Otherwise you're just throwing whatever bullshit you can and hoping it sticks. I'm not falling for it.

Get over it, no one here believes you. The non-mra public itself believes that half of rape accusations are false. And your constant evidence-free insinuations about what you ASSume happened aren't going to change that.

False rape accusations are a significant problem and the humanity of men and boys matter. Don't like it? Fuck you, deal with it.

[–]FallingSnowAngel-3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Few who research the problem seriously take that study seriously. You also ignored the scandals proving that cops have hidden the real numbers of rapes occurring.

If you want to attack the feminists who use questionable rape statistics, it might help to make sure you don't do the same. Because right now, you're just as guilty as any second waver.

the non-mra public believes

Transgender just want attention? There are invisible monsters from the dimension of fire fighting for your eternal undying consciousness? Men can't really get raped by women?

Yeah, the public really has a good track record.

They don't get to walk, unlike these "oppressed" women.

Whom you convicted on evidence that even the most inexperienced lawyer could get thrown out of court, with prejudice.

If you want to be an actual human rights advocate fighting for truth and justice, your instincts aren't enough. What seems obvious to you, doesn't hold up when you study how people really respond to that kind of pressure.

Try to make things better for men, not worse for women.

Your naive' innocence is no excuse.

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I'm so sick of feminist lies. Really, really fucking tired of it.

Seriously... Fuck SRS. Fuck TBP. Fuck all the professional victims out there running a fucking con on society so they can try to engender sympathy and live life on easy mode.

You know what is problematic? Their incessant, manipulative dishonest bullshit. That's what's fucking problematic.

Being a man is hard. Its not a wonderland of privilege. Its a sink or swim life taxed out by expectations, false accusations and character assassinations. Its a dog eat dog world.

Yet men mostly just STFU and deal with it. We soldier on. We take the slings and arrows and scrape out our survival. This is normal to us.

If you don't like being broke, work harder. If people avoid you because you are fat and gross, go on a diet, stop guzzling down high fructose corn syrup and go to the gym. If you don't like being called a slut, then stop fucking and sucking random dudes you meet in bars and parties.

If you are unhappy about the condition of your life, stop blaming others for it, take ownership and do something about it.

For God sakes stop whining because nobody gives a flying shit anyway.

Anyone who reads this article sees CLEARLY the principle issue with feminism today - its all reckless, unsubstantiated garbage that leaves a path of destruction in its wake.

When is enough going to be enough? When is society as a whole going to be sick and tired of these passive aggressive sociopaths and the constant stream of bullshit that comes out of their mouths?

How much more selfish immature crap can we collectively take?

40-47% is not 2 fucking percent. How many college males are going to have their lives ruined over this bullshit? How many people terrorized by slander and character assassination before we reach a breaking point?

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"Slut shaming" is a joke. There is a reason overt promiscuous behavior is socially unacceptable. It's irresponsible and self destructive.

It's proven that promiscuous behavior in women leads to marital strife.

While having an expectation of chastity in this day and age is fairly unreasonable, the expectation that people conduct their love lives with class, dignity and discretion is not.

All men who possess a reasonable level of awareness know that promiscuous women make risky bets in LTRs and marriages.

Marriage is business contract in addition to being a commitment of love and family. In an era where the toxicity of divorce is arguably at an all time high for men, female promiscuity serves as a loud beacon - a neon sign that says:

FUCK ME BUT DON'T MARRY ME BECAUSE I'M AN IGNORANT NARCISSIST

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It's irresponsible and self destructive.

Wrong, there's nothing preventing promiscuous people from having safe, responsible sex.

It's proven that promiscuous behavior in women leads to marital strife.

Because we live in a prudish society.

the expectation that people conduct their love lives with class, dignity and discretion is not [unreasonable].

You can be promiscuous and also discreet, assuming when you say "discreet" you mean not shoving the promiscuity into other people's faces. As for "class" and "dignity", the only reason people say promiscuous behavior in women is unclassy and undignified is because, like I said, we live in a prudish (and also sexist, since people, such as yourself, don't treat promiscuity in males the same) society.

All men who possess a reasonable level of awareness know that promiscuous women make risky bets in LTRs and marriages.

"Risky bets"? What does that even mean?

female promiscuity serves as a loud beacon - a neon sign that says: FUCK ME BUT DON'T MARRY ME BECAUSE I'M AN IGNORANT NARCISSIST

I don't see how liking sex makes you a narcissist. If women having lots of sex bothers you so much, it's too bad you don't live in the 50s.

[–]trudatness0 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Risky bets means I wouldn't want to have children or a mortgage with a woman who has trouble keeping her legs closed.

Lets not forget why women who have lots of sex do it for different reasons then sexually promiscuous men.

Higher levels of testosterone causes men to have sexual compulsion. Most men learn how to control this sexual compulsion to such a degree so that they have a rational approach to sexuality.

Women on the other hand, do not have the same sexual compulsion as men. Overt sexuality in women is caused by a need for attention, acceptance and validation.

Women that are overtly promiscuous are so not because of a physical compulsion, but a psychological one.

A hypersexual male can find satisfaction in monogamy, as his physical urges are being satiated by a single partner. Hypersexual females have inherent issues of narcissism and their compulsions cannot be satiated by a single partner. A hypersexual female will continue to try to feed her need for validation through multiple partners.

So in other words... A sloot is a sloot.

Its not because we are sexist, doubles-standard wielding douchelords that we frown upon sloots, its because getting into a committed relationship with one is an exercise in futility that often has dire consequences for us.

Don't fucking piss on our heads and tell us it's raining. Women who are whores are narcissistic jackasses who deserve to be openly mocked for their crass stupidity.

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I view slut-shaming and false rape allegations as more or less morally equivalent.

If you believe that women are being robbed of something by engaging in casual sex with a strange man, then why should we not punish men for doing that robbing?

The mindset of a man who slut-shames, and yet casually engages in sex with women (or would if they offered), seems to me to be close to that of a rapist. It seems to me he must be getting off on the fact that a woman is being violated, that something is happening to her which is not in her interest, and he's the one making it happen.

If you believe it's demeaning to women to if they engage in casual sex, then it's not moral for you to engage in casual sex with them. You cannot entice, encourage, or seduce someone into doing something that you think is harmful or wrong of them to do, and still be a good person.

A person engaging in consensual sex should have reasonable expectation not to be falsely accused of the crime of rape.

Sure, and women have a reasonable expectation to not be held to a sexist double standard about sex.

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you really think spending 5 - 15 years in prison (with a greater chance of being raped) is comparable to getting a reputation?

No, or I would have said that. Accusing someone of being a rapist does not mean they will spend 5 - 15 years in prison.

As I said in my reply to someone else:

No, they are both reputational damage that will cause other people to treat them differently. I'm not saying that putting a man in jail for 25 years is equivalent to calling a woman slut. I'm saying that the malice involved in the accusation is morally equivalent.

(with a greater chance of being raped)

I suspect women who are labeled as 'sluts' have a greater chance of being raped as well, since guys will be aggressively approach them and feel entitled to sleep with them since they are thought to sleep with everyone else.

And the reputation of 'slut' can have other consequences as well... some women are severely bullied due to that, and there have even been some high school girls that have committed suicide as a result of that bullying.

Quite disgusting that a slut-shaming comment is the top-voted comment in this thread and the comment calling it out (mine) is negative. I didn't think this subreddit was TRP-Lite. Mind changed.

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I view slut-shaming and false rape allegations as more or less morally equivalent.

holy crap you're fucked in the head.

If you believe that women are being robbed of something by engaging in casual sex with a strange man

I don't.

The mindset of a man who slut-shames

What about women who slut-shame? I believe they are the majority who commit that "crime".

seems to me to be close to that of a rapist. It seems to me he must be getting off on the fact that a woman is being violated, that something is happening to her which is not in her interest, and he's the one making it happen.

That's it. Just call every bdsm practicing person not much different from a rapist. Does that apply to assertive women too? What about passive men?

women have a reasonable expectation to not be held to a sexist double standard about sex.

since you're comparing that to being accused of a capital crime, I think anyone, male or female, would rather be called a slut than be called a rapist. That aside, I don't see a double standard that doesn't favor women over men. The whole idea of slut shaming is based on women trying to keep the value of female sexuality as high as possible. That's why women do most of the slut shaming. Not men. And the implication is that male sexuality is cheap and worthless. All that is reflected in the dating rules that always, without exception, put the burden on men to demonstrate their worth to women. Never the other way round. THAT is a sexist double standard. Slut shaming is just an inevitable consequence of it.

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I view slut-shaming and false rape allegations as more or less morally equivalent.

Then your morals are out of whack.

If you believe that women are being robbed of something by engaging in casual sex with a strange man, then why should we not punish men for doing that robbing?

Slut-shaming does not inherently mean we think casual sex with strange men robs women of anything.

It is not strangeness that is an issue. It is not casualness that is an issue. It has to do with perception of other people's standards and how we think of a person's attractiveness as a result of those standards.

The mindset of a man who slut-shames, and yet casually engages in sex with women (or would if they offered), seems to me to be close to that of a rapist. It seems to me he must be getting off on the fact that a woman is being violated

Rapists do not all get off on the sense of violating their victims.

People who slut-shame do not necessarily believe their own casual sex partners are sluts.

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