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Post-mortem analysis

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Hi, I am a new lurker here after a very long hiatus (since 'the game' days). Amusing how there are now terms for everything!

History: Was an AFC 10 years ago before working towards bettering myself. Was "plate spinning" for a couple years before I met my on-paper unicorn. Dated for 5 years and married for just under 2 years. Over that time I developed a good frame, worked out, dressed well, became a millionaire, etc. I make no claims about being super alpha, but I don't think I am super beta either. Before marriage, I told her I was selfish and I would always be #1, and she was ok with that.

Since marriage: Good sex life (3-4 times a week - no starfishing), she was reasonably submissive and I did whatever I wanted. This was until 3 months ago when she went cold and we stopped having sex when she "loved me but was not in love with me" and "was bored." At this point I realized I fucked up something and I rationalized that I failed too many comfort tests and amped up beta behaviors while maintaining frame as much as possible.

This appeared to have worked, and we resumed having sex 3-4 times/week about a month after the freeze out. I dialed back the beta a bit, but more than originally since she appeared she needed more. About this time, I decided I need to brush up on PUA/relationship stuff/whatever you want to call it and stumbled upon "red pill" through the Internet rabbit hole.

While reading MMSL I came across the same phrases she used and set off alarm bells. Even though I had zero evidence and to be honest, almost zero suspicion, I asked if had an affair. She flatly answered yes, she cheated once with a co-worker, but it was over. Almost no remorse as she had already rationalized it as my fault for ignoring her. This blew me away as she has been crushed through her ex cheating on her, and her brother was divorced for the same issue. But AWALT I guess, even for supposed unicorns.

After losing my composure a bit and cooling off. I did the rational thing of not forgiving her, but not pissing her off while my lawyer figures out a way to minimize my losses before I file. I have to say it is hard to give up on a dream, but to accept infidelity is the ultimate beta move and something extremely difficult to recover from (or so my hamster says).

Post-mortem: To try to figure out what went wrong, I started reading more books (ie, NNMRG, WISNIFG, etc) and was shocked by how it focuses on lack of sex. I had as much sex as I wanted except for the brief month and yet she still strayed. Does that mean my value was high, but some super alpha just came along?

If that is the case, then what is the point in trying? You will never be the #1 alpha in the world (because that is Brad Pitt, or some pro athlete or something) - someone will always lift more, have more money, be more handsome, be more confident, etc.

I guess I am just thinking ahead post-divorce and whether it is even worth taking another shot at LTR/Marriage or just to fuck random women until you are shriveled. All I would need is someone to invent test tube babies so you didn't need the mom.


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Title Post-mortem analysis
Author findingpurplepill
Upvotes 8
Comments 66
Date 20 January 2017 06:05 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/206626
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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Does that mean my value was high, but some super alpha just came along?

... You will never be the #1 alpha in the world (because that is Brad Pitt, or some pro athlete or something) - someone will always lift more, have more money, be more handsome, be more confident, etc.

BPP's reply is succinct--her cheating isn't your fault. There will always be some explanation why a person cheats. You have no control over your wife's or anyone else's attractions. We generally can't hold others accountable for their attractions. Actions are a different beast. She's responsible for the fallout of her actions and it's not your job to unburden her.

You may find this thread where u/mabden suggested reading Chump Lady helpful. I really liked her Real Remorse? Or Genuine Imitation Naugahyde Remorse? article and in particular the post-nup suggestion in terms of setting standards.

In any case, it doesn't sound like your wife is even trying to check any of these remorse boxes.

Except for the fact that she didn't rub the affair in your face, I'd say this feels like a Please, Break up with me! situation. Maybe she's just having second thoughts about losing you as a beta bux, or maybe she's frozen like a deer in the headlights because she's waiting for you to throw her out or lay out your expectations for her penance. If she knows you are never going to forgive her, she's not going to waste her time. I say that because you laid out that you were known to be unforgiving when you met.

In any case I think your actions have been correct. Seek full situational awareness by consulting a lawyer and not playing your hand prematurely. Avoid becoming reactive and losing initiative.

[–]findingpurplepill[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for the links, very informative. I agree that her mindset appears to be that she wants a break-up initiated by me, but the real remorse article is great as a barometer.

[–]darla101 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

She checked out at some point. Maybe it was too many failed comfort tests, maybe she just felt old, maybe you were boring. Who knows. The remorse will hit her. Few men can forgive this sort of betrayal.

[–]bangorlol5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cheating on your spouse with a co-worker just means they ticked whatever boxes and were available - that's it. Most of the time that's how emotional affairs begin. Some dude got your wife coffee, listened to her bullshit, she got the tingles because it was something new and exciting and bad, fucked him for awhile, then it was ended. That's all you need to know.

Good on you for having the self-respect to file for divorce. As for your reflection on whether or not being in a relationship is the right thing to do from here on out, play it by ear. There's something fulfilling about being in a LTR with a solid partner, however most men give up a big part of themselves in doing so in the name of compromise. They start by giving commitment - not a big deal, right? Then they move on to acquiescing every whim of their lady so they're comfortable and happy - or sometimes just to skip the massive bitch fit that will inevitably ensue by not caving (women can be children). From here it's all down hill, so you really have to stick to your guns to maintain self respect. Keep them at an arms length emotionally, work on yourself, and make them chase you. When a woman feels like she's safe with you she'll start to walk all over you because you're weak. If you're weak, she'll resent you. If she resents you, she'll leave you (or just fuck other people since you bring in decent money).

tl;dr: park the cuck truck

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy

Does that mean my value was high, but some super alpha just came along?

Why do you think you did anything wrong? She is the one who cheated.

[–]findingpurplepill[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I'm confused by this. The RP mantra seems to be to take responsibility for what happens in your relationship (while being reasonable that you are only 50% of the equation), no?

I mean, I believe I kept a strong frame from day 1 - she even commented that I have been consistent forever only that her feelings have changed. I just figured that maybe I didn't give enough comfort or that I didn't have enough dread as marriage continued. Discovered the manosphere too late and already told her I would never cheat on her years ago. Didn't realize I made a sucker covert contract that went super wrong. No good deed goes unpunished.

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

The RP mantra seems to be to take responsibility for what happens in your relationship

Sure, but at the end of the day we are each responsible for ourselves- and only ourselves. The most Alpha fuckers in the world get cheated on. You can do everything right and still get sick. Some guys work out, stay in shape, don't drink, don't smoke, don't swear, go to church- and they get colon cancer and die at 30. Some guys drink hard, smoke, take drugs, and fuck everybody over that they know- and they live to be 80.

All you can do is improve your odds.

[–]atlantic68-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are at fault here. You were beta as fuck and she needed a bigger alpha cock. Dont let it happen again

[–]abdadaRed Beret7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

just to fuck random women until you are shriveled

This is the likely candidate. My dad -- a blind, bald, ugly, not fit Indian male is in his 70s and he's told me repeatedly not to marry again. Ever. He married my mom (who at the time was a 10/10 Polish blonde), divorced her, married his current wife who was 31 years younger than him (8/10) and now in his 70s he still has beautiful women coming on to him -- right in front of his wife, all the time. Women call him at home and she has to filter his calls. And he's blind and nearing the grave.

I will never marry again. I will always have a top plate I call my LTR because I prefer having a consistent date when I meet with high valued people and they bring their wives. I have a zero tolerance policy -- if she fails me, if the sex dries up, if she nags, I will immediately claim responsibility for my failure (in my brain, silently) and replace her with the next batter up.

I will never again "settle down" and only "climb up".

The noise from society to follow in their disgraceful depressing footsteps is just self hating people wanting to cut off tall poppies.

[–]findingpurplepill[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

That is amazing. Your dad is an inspiration to everyone!

Just wondering - you have kids? That was the only reason why I got married to begin with. Goal still not accomplished (which in this case is good I guess?), but is the only lingering point. Otherwise, my mindset is with you 100%.

[–]abdadaRed Beret0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

No kids. Huge regret of mine. I plan on starting soon, though. I always wanted kids, lots of them. Dozens.

My plan is to keep reproducing as long as I can. I had a great grandfather who had dozens. I wish I never used birth control in my life, lol.

[–]WesternhagenWinner2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can be very thankful you have no kids with the cheater. This makes it MUCH easier to pull the plug on her without any delay, mercy, or regret. Also, she won't have her hooks in you for child support, or be able to punish or coerce you by withholding visitation. Onward!

[–]findingpurplepill[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

How do you plan to have kids without marriage? Tough to keep a zero tolerance policy once the scepter of child support comes into play, no?

[–]abdadaRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What would a woman get out of me exactly?

No job (retired) no income until social security, assets in trusts...

The women I sleep with all make 6 figures already and own assets. Not sure what the fear is.

My dad told me don't have kids before assets. So that was my plan.

[–]ex_addict_broRed Beret3 points4 points  (19 children) | Copy

Hi, divorced father of 3 here.

Does that mean my value was high, but some super alpha just came along?

He probably wasn't better, he was just different. Read "Practical female psychology".

You will never be the #1 alpha in the world

In the world? No. In my workplace? In my town? In this subreddit? I'll take my chance. Make this easier for me by giving up :)

BTW, Brad Pitt is divorcing.

fuck random women until you are shriveled

In last year, when I moved out, I thought about another LTR, another kid, new family. The more I think about this, the more I live, the more viable this option becomes ("fuck random women"). Read BlackDragon's blog.

BUT this is nothing you need to worry about now.

The deal is, now you need to divorce and either move out or move her out. She will try to rekindle with you, or this is going to look like it - don't fall for this (beta) trap.

accept infidelity is the ultimate beta move and something extremely difficult to recover from

Fucking married women after you get divorce helps. The moment they fuck you, they are bored with their husbands. Those guys aren't exactly worse, they're just more familiar.

And, one more thing, we don't matter that much. Woman's vagina collects sperm from various males, all this sperm, all those genes float freely in her body. Do you have any proof that having your kid with a virgin will make the kid more healthy? Why shouldn't it take 80% of your genes, then 5% of neighbour, 15% of your coworker - because, that's probably what's happening?

Everything floats. Give me 2-3 generations, our genes, our identity, electronic archive of this discussion, EVERYTHING WILL BE GONE. Our egos are more fake than we think. That's basically u/stonepimpletilists 's philosophy that I adapted, but that's basically what's happening.

Your relationship with that one particular woman is done. There is nothing to salvage, nothing to recover. Divorce, lift, sidebar and welcome to MRP where we build better men and better relationships. Only with (sometimes) a different women.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (10 children) | Copy

Do you have factual proof of your "sperm/genes float around in a woman's body and create a baby" theory? As a nurse with basic biology knowledge that just makes zero sense to me. That's not how meiosis/cell division works. Sperm doesn't live forever in the vagina, nor do the vaginal walls somehow extract DNA from sperm to then absorb into the blood stream (????)

[–]ex_addict_broRed Beret0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

I was trying to keep it short. I'm not writing about the actual reproduction, but about women collecting DNA from previous partners.

It's just my bro science, but there is something in the air:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1isfv7/holy_shit_women_retain_dna_from_previous_lovers/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16084184/

http://www.medicaldaily.com/dna-sperm-ex-partners-lingers-female-flies-and-influences-genetics-her-offspring-305934

Contact u/NeoReactionSafe for details :) Don't get me wrong - I'm not expecting those "science facts" to hit bookshelves next month, but there is definitely something in the air. Why every religion I know teaches purity and praises virgins.

EDIT: http://www.returnofkings.com/70425/research-suggests-that-a-womans-body-incorporates-dna-from-the-semen-of-her-casual-sex-partners

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm actually very interested in microchimerism due to its links with autoimmune disorders and my mother's own autoimmune disorders (who has given birth to a son.)

I'm going to disregard your Reddit comment and medicaldaily.com sources since your pubmed source is the only scholarly source available (I don't think Reddit comments count here.) I would like to emphasis the last line of the pub med study:

Further studies are needed to determine specific origins of male microchimerism in women.

The study also points to possible spontaneous abortions/unknown miscarriages as being a source of male DNA found in non-son-bearing women. Which I believe to be the scientific approach here. The study does not attempt to make any possible conclusions about multiple male sexual partners being the cause of this (which is important to note, since the study made other possible conclusions they felt worthy of stating but did not bother stating your purported conclusion.) The study did not include in their controls women who used condoms vs women who did not use barrier methods, they simply had a group of women who have had induced abortions. I guess you seem to be taking this to imply that women who have had abortions must also be women who have frequent unprotected sex with multiple partners, but the study does not state this (and abortion can be chosen by promiscuous women, yes, but it is also chosen by married women and monogamous women and women who have only had one partner too.)

While I am not an expert in microchimerism (and no one is, since it's a relatively new concept and still considered near-phenomenon) microchimerism appears to be caused by fetal cells transferring through placental/fetal circulation. Simply having semen in one's vagina doesn't mean the semen is entering the woman's blood stream (and semen coming into contact with vaginal tissue is a one time event, whereas DNA from fetal cells is being exposed to the mother for the entirety of the fetus' existence in the womb.)

You're right, it's bro science. I'm not going to 100% discount your theory since I think it's important for medical fields to consider and test new theories all the time. But anyone thinking critically about this should have an intense amount of skepticism based on biological knowledge alone.

Edit to add: Science and religion have no link with one another. Religions were man made thousands upon thousands of years ago before any of the technology available to even consider these types of theories was in place.

Edit again: Return of Kings is also not a scholarly source.

[–]ex_addict_broRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You're just spilling some beliefs of yours, in order to achieve what, exactly?

We do not matter at all. Ego is a lie.

Science and religion... I smile now. Read "Antifragile" Nassim Taleb. Or see some 2D or 3D IFS fractal animations on YT. Or...

Religion has much more to offer, than we - men of 21st century - tend to think. Not that I attend church every week, because I don't. But the moment I read Taleb on fasting and some articles on lean gains and "IF", I connect some dots. Vaguely, un-scientifically, but... that's how I roll now.

Take care.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah science and religion are literally not the same thing. They are two separate things. While one could argue that both require belief, science is rooted in the scientific method of testing and repeating results. Religion is not. Science and religion can exist beside each other but they are not the same.

In any case I've said my piece.

I connect some dots. Vaguely, un-scientifically

And you've said yours.

Take care as well.

[–]NeoreactionSafe-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

This guy has it right.

This was big news maybe a year or two ago. It might be good to write a new top level post to reawaken the story.

Basically the Cock Carousel™ leaves a permanent trail of DNA from all those past lovers.

The slut literally has "ghosts" inside her. (actual DNA)

This is why low N Count females are preferred... less damage... fewer "ghosts".

In the extreme there is the Alpha Widow.

 

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

In humans it's only been shown that placental DNA remnants are found in the mother's brains. Semen is destroyed by the mother's immune system. Placenta interfaces the mother's and child's immune systems and is immunologically weird and not well understood at all. So it's about pregnancy, not intercourse.

If this general mixing of all prior sexual partners in offspring were true, geneticists would have found out about it long ago. Trivial to observe in children of remarried women, for example and would have been seen even on pedegree analysis.

Some major relevant differences between humans and flies: vertebrate immune system, placental

[–]NeoreactionSafe-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'd advise you to not stop searching yet.

It's always far easier to dismiss what you haven't spent any effort to look into than to actually dig and know the Truth whichever way it goes.

For me I like to dig as deeply as possible.

Hint: Look into things like gut bacteria.

That's an area where non-human organisms (bacteria) exist within the human body.

It's like people who declare Glyphosate as harmless because it doesn't directly effect human cells.

 

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Glad you're on this! I look forward to the results of your digging!

One suggestion I can offer is pedegree analysis particularly in the Utah Mormon population. There were a number of family rearangements during the Civil War/post-Civil War polygamy period. The population is well annotated for inherited genetic diseases.

Edit: sort of off topic but FYI it's not intuitive but gut bacteria are considered to be outside the body for good reason.

[–]NeoreactionSafe-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've already formed my own opinion after researching.

If you feel satisfied that more knowledge is not to your benefit that's your choice to make.

The Cock Carousel™ leaves a trail of "ghosts" in a woman's body.

We know this intuitively anyway... however there seems to be evidence that actual physical DNA is present as well.

You are free to search or not search.

Red Pill is like that... free will.

 

[–]sh0ckley1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Fucking married women after you get divorce helps

This is great stuff right here. I like the sound of it. If I am ever there. I will.

[–]ex_addict_broRed Beret0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

GFTOMW works wonders for those wanting to rekindle

[–]Higher_higher6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

Man, you know nothing about human reproduction, huh?

[–]ex_addict_broRed Beret0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You may be right, I'm an anaesthesiologist.

[–]Higher_higher4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

No, you have no medical background at all. Anyone whos been through highschool sex education knows what you wrote is more like witchcraft bullshit.

Im a biologist.

[–]ex_addict_broRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ok, you got me. I don't.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you. No medical doctor is going to quote Return of Kings and Reddit comments when asked to back up a medical theory. The original commenter doesn't give me even a whiff of having medical training whatsoever.

But we're on the internet, where people never lie to support their own agendas...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Let everyone know when you figure it out.

I'd say it's safe to consider this your victim puke.

[–]findingpurplepill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When I wrote it, it did not seem like a puke. But reading it, it does seem like a puke. Guess everyone has to puke sometime!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Almost no remorse as she had already rationalized it as my fault for ignoring her.

Not a keeper.

No kids then get unhitched for sure.

Kids, then take some time to get unhitched safely.

[–]constellationofsuns0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You said it yourself. She didn't love you. She didn't love you because you're an ass and the only thing you want from her is sex. If you're married to someone you're supposed to be companions. You're supposed to be each other's best friend. If that wasn't the case and she got along well with someone else of course she cheated. She was looking for a companion and you weren't that. You objectified her and used her. You put her into a box. She didn't feel like a person anymore and she didn't know why.

[–]BrazilRedPill-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

You thought you have found an unicorn, she cheated on you, and you are using AWALT to declare that every man will eventually be cheated. That's not right.

Your wife was a cheater, but it doesn't mean every woman will cheat on every man. It's hard, I know, but your wife cheated on you, maybe she wouldn't cheat on another man. She is still a bitch, since she sees cheating as a valid act; but that said, you lacked some alpha trait things that were important for her; if you had those things she probably wouldn't cheat on you.

You can't take what happened to you and amplify as a general rule. If that was the case, your mother would have cheated on your father, your grandma on your grandpa, and so on.

Your wife was a cheating bitch, but NAWALT, not all women are like that.

[–]findingpurplepill[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I do not think all women cheat, and I do not disagree that I had a hand in it. My intention was to say that I chose my wife based on my own unicorn checklist (young, virgin, deeply religious, ok with traditional roles, etc) and that if I failed with this one, I don't know how I can screen even better.

I think "AWALT" is never true. Even the biological urge stuff - I'm sure some women have some mental illness or hormone imbalance that distorts it for them. Anything that can be evolved can be unevolved. Applying a blanket statement across billions of people will not be 100%. It was sort of tongue in cheek since I thought it was hilarious when I learned of the acronym.

[–]ex_addict_broRed Beret-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I do not think all women cheat

You're both way too optimistic.

That act of "cheating"... thats precisely what Mother Nature intended them to be and to do.

Just ignore that and act accordingly. My bet is "alpha 2.0" BlackDragon's style. That's maybe not the most wisest option, time-wise, resource-wise, whatever, but I don't see any better options.

Some time ago I realised, that spying on someone, aka keeping a woman from cheating is a full-time job. So you either hire a detective (the cost!) or stop giving a fuck about her fidelity and act accordingly. Which is, spin plates. Flirt. Exercise, take care of yourself, and flirt, open, approach, sarge, whatever's the name. Then have sex. With different women. Some are worth keeping, some are better fit for you, some aren't. Whatever.

If you focus on yourself and I mean, really, really focus, suddenly your discussion about "do all women cheat" becomes purely academical. That's just... nonsense to think about it. You have stuff to do. Women cheating or not? I don't care.

Godspeed.

EDIT: actually your wife did you a favour. She did not hide it and she wants to break up with you (as per Rollo's post "Please break with me"). I think she deserves your respect for being clear and open with you. I think she deserves a quick divorce with as much "fair play" as needed. You both can have properly diplomatic relations after. I suggest adopting this approach and respecting her for being open and honest with you after you asked. There is nothing to save, you aren't going to have a relationship with her, just leave her, let her go, but be correct with her.

[–]findingpurplepill[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I agree with the edit. She could have popped out a kid and locked me into 18 years of misery, but is letting me off the hook apparently. Lawyer is still good to open up some negotiation room in case she turns irrational, but I don't intend to be vindictive.

Of course she could have just broken it off and not messed with my head. One last time I take charge and do what she does not have the courage to do.

[–]ex_addict_broRed Beret-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women don't just "break it off". Read more Rollo.

[–]MisogynicRationalPig0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

All I would need is someone to invent test tube babies so you didn't need the mom.

Not to get all dystopian on you but don't hold your breath. Men are doomed.

Figuring out artificial wombs is a significantly harder problem than figuring out how to extract and use adult DNA to fertilize an egg. When that happens, lesbians will obtain DNA from their partners, and have the freedom to choose whichever of their wombs is more convenient. So they'll feel much less of a need to support further development of artificial wombs. But it gets worse: lesbian couples using this method are guaranteed they can only have daughters since both DNA donors will lack a Y chromosome.

More broadly, women will for the first time be able to safely choose to have a daughter rather than risking having a son without resorting to infanticide.

Expect the sidebar to be updated with conversations such as the following:

♀: "Honey, we're having a daughter!"

♂: "Wha...?"

♀: "I got DNA from your sister"

♂: "I'm going to deny paternity"

♀: "Go ahead and test"

Ultimately there will be an excess of wombs which will further crush the economics for development of artificial wombs.

The only solutions to this problem are politically impossible until women lose the right to vote.

[–]DickInAWoolCoat4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Just curious, do you think that's how in-vitro fertilization works? Or...how sex is selected in fertilized zygotes? Absolutely none of the "science" you mentioned was factual. Not even a tiny piece.

[–]MisogynicRationalPig-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yawn. Show me more about why women suck at science.

[–]DickInAWoolCoat1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think, if anything, you're kinda proving that men don't understand science.

[–]MisogynicRationalPig0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Done with you.

[–]DickInAWoolCoat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ah yes, the condescending "done with you". I can almost even see you waving at the screen. Just cause you walk away doesn't mean you're not wrong, it just means you couldn't defend your beliefs.

[–]findingpurplepill[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Well, to your point, people already have surrogate mothers after they fertilize the eggs. I guess the next logical step is to use DNA directly vs donated sperm/egg.

The lesbian baby thing is interesting.. I admit I have never thought of it that way. However, one positive impact is that if there are lots of women, then maybe the current dynamic will change (ie, way more women than men) so they will work harder to keep the average guy because of the increased competition.

[–]MisogynicRationalPig-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Manhaters gonna manhate.

They're currently kept in check by the questionable medical ethics surrounding gender selection in IVF. Thank god there's no reliable way to segregate sperm by sex prior to fertilization. Yet. Even that is certainly on the horizon under the guise of eradicating sex-linked genetic diseases for at risk couples.

Once technology evolves to the point that gender selection is entirely reduced to nothing beyond mate selection, "my body, my choice" and absolutely zero risk of parasitic Y chromosomes infecting the walls of their "pristine" wombs... well the floodgates will be open and we'll see a tidal wave of manhaters creating and raising manhaters.

If they need men to do grunt work or whatever they'll just continue to import immigrants until the rest of the world catches up.

But on the other front, MEN will fully endorse this development, too. Vasectomy at birth will become standard since reversal will become irrelevant.

[–]sh0ckley0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I truly believe we are living in end times for many reason. You just gave me a few more. Bring it.

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You want end times? Check out the Virtual Girlfriends.

[–]sh0ckley0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Holy. Shit.

[–]The_LitzRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Male farm animals not suiteable for breeding get the snip, this is the human equivalent of the same practise, just more high tech and sugar coated, but nonetheless the same.

[–]anythingincRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

sex while cheating

Hysterical bonding, guilt, allaying suspicion, keeping her millionaire content.

cheating

No dread of loss. No fear of the consequences. Right time, right place, right guy.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Apparently you did not vett her well

My experience tells me, you saw the signs before the LTR and when the affair happened and now you are wondering if AWALT.

Quality ones are not. But, you'll have to pull your head out of your current cunts ass to identify one.

Oneitis is a Fucking bitch. Ain't it ?

[–]findingpurplepill[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Can't deny some degree of oneitis. Not sure how I could have vetted better: young (met at 24), one past relationship + virgin (religious so no sex), attractive, previous scarring from cheating (ie, cheated by first relationship+brother's divorce), happy family with no childhood trauma, ok with traditional roles, not lazy, etc. I am definitely grapping with AWALT as you stated - I don't believe AWALT, but don't have the confidence to improve my screening ability.

I honestly did not think she would be capable of this, and it was MMSL that opened my eyes of the possibility. Will have to buy Athol a beer one day!

[–]BrazilRedPill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Not your fault at all. You used all the correct landmarks. Sorry bro. I deeply sympathize your situation, you are truly a victim. Everybody here would fall for this unicorn.

You need to heal and do everything again. Sad but true. These unique qualities she has shown are the best things you could have done in order to avoid cheating, and yet she did it.

See what you can possibly learn from this, where you can improve. But yes, I agree that this sucks, it isn't your fault and you are a victim.

The very fact that she was a virgin alone is rare as hell; all other qualities together lead you to a place where it wasn't expected at all. You did it right. But what the hell, she is a bitch in disguise.

Denial, anger, depression, acceptance. Go through those phases fast. Sorry bro.

[–]findingpurplepill[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Didn't expect sympathy at school of hard knocks RPers! haha

Thanks

[–]sh0ckley-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

one past relationship + virgin (religious so no sex), attractive, previous scarring from cheating (ie, cheated by first relationship+brother's divorce), happy family with no childhood trauma, ok with traditional roles, not lazy, etc.

I sometimes imagine a snowflake with a "good" history like this, but AWALT, I've never even met one. Thanks for the info.

[–]dandar46000 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

. Not sure how I could have vetted better: young (met at 24), one past relationship + virgin (religious so no sex.)

Or that's what she told you. I seriously find it hard to believe that she was a virgin at 24 and then cheated on you and made it so nonchalant telling you about it. I'd lean on a very good liar option.

For comparison I met my wife on her 16th birthday and while she told me she was a virgin, I still have some skepticism about it. Not that it would crush me if she wasn't (I wasn't when I met her.)

For the record though, I do believe her telling you is right from Rollo's PLEASE, BREAKUP WITH ME! Either that or she doesn't give a fuck and wants to see what you will do. If you stay, she will consider this as permission to walk all over you and probably cheat again.

You have no kids so it's relatively easy to walk away. You can always make more money later and unlike your stbx you really have no expiration date on when to have children.

[–]findingpurplepill[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well, it was a big deal for her. Took almost 1 year to convince her to have sex outside of wedlock. I was "spinning plates" at the time so I could be patient. But she has proven that she is capable of anything, so who knows!

[–]MrFuckupKing-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You may not have done anything wrong.

Women can buy things with sex, including getting guys to pay attention to them and entertain them.

I have never married because I watched so many married women fucking around behind their husbands back when I was growing up.

I have also had plenty of married women offer to spread their legs.

Three that were pregnant at the time.

Women can use their pussy like men use money and they can also buy things that money can't buy.

There is a reason that for hundreds of years men kept tight control of women. They understood her power and that she would likely abuse it because they rarely have the character that would prevent it.

Particularly in this time period of hyper permissiveness that has shaped moral character into what it is. There is very little risk or costs to being an adulterer. Even the word seems antiquated

There is certainly a percentage of women out there that would never cheat but they talk and walk just like the ones who would and do cheat.

You can help the odds by avoiding certain types of women but you can never be absolutely sure about a woman until both of you are in your graves.

I'm of the opinion that married women are the easiest to seduce because almost inevitably they are bored and filled with resentment.

It is in a woman's nature to resent men because she was born a woman. Nature has limited her many of the options and experiences that men take for granted. Their resentment starts early and I think this is why they take special delight in being able to twist a man around their finger sexually.

Sex is how women get even with men for being born women (cursed by nature). If you do not understand the hostility that women carry inside them toward men because they were born women than you do not understand women.

Women expect men to fix the misery that comes out of being born a woman and if you do not they will either hate you or leave you and the culture is making it worse by denying that this resentment is even there. This is why the culture is always trying to control how a woman feels (telling her what she feels) It exploits this resentment of being born a woman.

It is always there hidden under the surface ready to come out at any time she is reminded how much she hates having been born a woman. When she is feeling this than you must pay for the "privilege" of being born male. Her self hate is turned outward as much as it is turned inward.

Of course men know the grass is not greener on the other side of the fence but women will always think men have it better than them.(even though they will never admit it)

A guy that knows how to whisper sweet nothings into a woman's ear (if he is patient and very cunning) will instinctively know when to strike. When she is emotionally vulnerable and exactly how to play it. This is what players do.

Married men are actually at a disadvantage if there is any kind of weakness in their wife that a player can capitalize on.

A guy could have everything and be better than any of his competition and still have a wife wander simply because she is vulnerable to seduction in some way. If you can make them laugh or leave them feeling that you "care" than you can get laid.

Women love attention like a crack addict loves his drug.

A sexual predator cannot seduce a woman when she is "emotionally unavailable".

Once she becomes emotionally available she will attract the man that can seduce her. He will sense it.

Until than she is walking around with blinders on and does not see men.

Women swim in a pool of men and the men, like sharks swim around her until they smell blood.

It is not you but the age you live in that you are fighting against. The very culture and environment sets married women up for easy seduction.

TRP helps but it certainly does not guarantee a good, faithful wife.

Those days are long gone. The problem is bigger than what TRP can cure.

It is not you. It is the age you live in. A smart man protects himself and thrives in this environment.

All others get eaten.

[–]redearththeory-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

If that is the case, then what is the point in trying? You will never be the #1 alpha in the world

Don't hold on. She's not yours, its just your turn, until its not. Enjoy it while it lasts and then bail.

“‘All conditioned things are impermanent’ — when one sees this with wisdom, one turns away from suffering.” The Buddha



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